SP B1/C1 Help

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i have a Studio Projects VTB-1 Mic Pre, an mbox 2 and protools m powered.

i record a lot of heavy/harsh vocals (similar to The Chariot/ Every time i die/ early foxy shazam) as well as some hamronica and acoustic guitar.

i usually use an sm57 or 58, but have recently been looking for a condenser. originally i liked the idea of the mxl v67g because i am striving for a very raw/vintage sound. but after some reviews i seem to be leaning towards the studio projects B1 or C1.

is the C1 worth the extra money? is there any other mics i should consider?

any help would be appreciated
 
I tend to like the MXL V67g ~ but the SPs I haven't tried to this day.
Vintage sound? In what way do you mean? Low fidelity? Or the sound of a ribbon? Can you give an example.






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Try singing/screaming into a green bullet microphone. That just might do it for you.







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The C series seems to get favored over the B series. Probably is worth the extra money.

Another thought would be to consider what you do that could benefit from a condenser. It's damn near impossible to recommend a good vocal condenser until you've heard the thing because everyone's voice is different. Also heavy and harsh vocals usually work good with dynamic mics. The 57 or 58 might still sound more appropriate for that type of source. A kick drum mic like a Beta 52 or something might give you a different flavour if you have access to one. There's also a number of premium quality dynamic mics you might want to think about like the Shure SM7b.

+1 for the Shure 520 DX "Green Bullet". It's a bad sounding dynamic omni that works like magic on harmonica.

For acoustic guitar, here we have something that could truly benefit from a condenser. They're good if you want extended frequency response and lots of detail from fast transient response. Acoustic guitars, drum overheads, percussion, shakers and most acoustic instruments are good candidates for condensers. The B1 and C1 would certainly work in these places but you might also want to consider a pair of pencil mics instead, like the C4's. The nice thing about these ones is they come with 3 sets of heads if you want to switch polar patterns. There's also a pad and bass rolloff making them pretty versatile. Having a matched pair would allow you to play around with stereo mic techniques. You can record anything from a tambourine to a full band or choir or orchestra with a pair of condensers. In my opinion small condensers are under rated and cheap large diaphragm condensers are way over rated. If you're new to condensers and trying to expand your mic locker, a pair of decent pencil mics might give you more mileage in the long run than an LDC. It depends on your needs and long range goals.

The potential downside of condensers is that, especially as they get farther from the source you're recording, they will record the sound of your room. If you're in a bad sounding acoustic space with no room treatment, even the best condenser mics could still sound bad because of the room. It can be less of an issue if you're working in close quarters to a dynamic mic.

Also consider that moving coil dynamic mics like the SM 57 typically sound fat and thick, but have little in the way of fine detail. Condensers are excellent at detail but can sound thin as a result. There are exceptions on both sides, but really good large diaphragm condensers are freaking expensive things. Again, the Shure SM7b is often mentioned as an alternative to cheap condensers.

Also, I'm not sure what "raw/vintage sound" means. Judging from the type of music you're into, you might want to be playing around with some compressor plugins or something...
 
cheers for the reply guys.

i think vintage was a bad way to describe what i meant. when i record vocals i leave a lot of breathing etc in to give it a very raw and emotional feel... while most of the modern stuff is cleaned up as much as possible and sounds a bit over produced.

i am very interested in the green bullet, i just had a quick look at them and i'm intrigued. i am considering getting one just because they look amazing! have you guys had any experience recording vocals with them or have any idea what the outcome would be?

When in the Studio i have used an SM7b and had really good results, i will defiantly purchase one later down the track . i guess i am just after something to experiment with. I have a soundproof room so background noise etc would not be a problem with a condenser microphone. i think i have narrowed it down to the mxl v67g (is the v6i worth it?) or the SPC1.

i understand its all down to personal preference, but out of those few what would you recommend?
 
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