something to think about

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wbcsound said:
How about this. An artist has been sitting in a park waiting for inspiration and suddenly the perfect moment arrives. With a big grin he squeezes paint onto his pallette and looks for a brush to paint with. Hmmm, which one to choose? There's the hand made camel hair brush imported from Egypt which is very expensive and rare or the one purchased at the local art supply shop.

He reaches for one, maybe this is the wrong decision? He sets it down and studies both. Well the expensive one is said to transfer paint more smoothly and evenly, however the cheaper one is perfectly capable as well. He calls his friend to ask which one to use. They deliberate for half an hour over which would create a more clear picture. In the end, they decide the rare one is the way to go.

He picks up the brush and...the moment has passed.

Had he not gotten stuck worrying about the brush, he would have caught that special moment in time. He look around and realizes a another painter beautifully painted the scene using a run of the mill brush. Passers by are commenting on how wonderful it is and he sells the painting.

The artist sits back and waits for the next moment, wondering if a Spanish horse hair brush carved out of olive wood would allow him to get a more accurate portrait...

At any price point, endlessly worrying about the tool sacrifices the overall work...

Very true I do all my recording on a shoe string...
Think to many here get all worked up about the equipment and not on the music/art ect.

I my self got a recording of a mandalin with a 180 dollar mic and it sounds great. My mix needs work but the overall sound is well recorded.

The idea is to get your music/art out there so we all can enjoy it.
and do it as well as we can.

You never know when that flash of insperation will hit you.
why lose it ...grab a mic / brush ect and go for it.

My 2 Watts
 
Something *else* to think about

sweetnubs said:
So these good folks admit that the difference between these concraptions is so noticable as to cause vehement debates, vitriolic vasesctomies and virile verbiage so why when a good chap like me suggests that they all suck and do not compare well at all to well designed expensive microphones am I greeted with less than cordiality?

Dear Sweetnubs,

I have read this and many of your other posts with great interest. It is obvious you are a man of linguistic gifts. Might I engage in discussion with you as a like-minded individual? I feel a certain amount of sympathy for your postion. It is indeed a difficult burden being a prophet without honor in his own country, a lone voice crying in the wilderness. But might I suggest that your failure to carry the day is, dare I say it, partly your fault.

Perhaps comparison through analogy might be instructive! Let us say, for argument's sake, that a) the process by which you seek to convert your thoughts into rhetorically effective prose is analogous to b) the process by which people (amateurs and professionals alike!) convert soundwaves into analog or digital formats with the intention of accurately conveying their musical intention. We detect, by analogy, a malfunctioning signal chain.

Forgive me for being so bold, but following this analogy (please bear with me), might I suggest that your technique is in need of attention? (I certainly wouldn't want to imply that your equipment is not functioning properly!) Your rhetorical strategies are, sadly, akin to bad microphone technique. I see the equivalent of sibilance, feedback, the unwanted artifacts of the proximity effect in your heartfelt message.

And so, my impassioned friend, my unsolicited advice is to keep on singing but to back off the microphone and work harder to stay on-axis. And, of course, since you choose to sing in public (forgive me for invoking yet another analogy), may I remind you that a person can often take audience considerations into account yet still maintain integrity as a performer. Please give it a try. I have faith that you can do it!


sweetnubs said:
If you all can hear the difference between these proletariat promulations, surely I thee nubs with decades of experience can decisively for sure, without speculation or reservation, throw down my glove and slap you bitches upside the noggin' and prounounce once and for all well-designed professional gear is noticeably better! Yes it is! No really is!

I must point out that a more respectful tone when dealing with others, even when using irony (which you just might have detected in this charming missive), is also noticably better! Yes it is!

Yours truly,

Miss Manners' Third Cousin and Home Recording Enthusiast

P.S. I am not a bitch
P.P.S. You're most likely correct that the well-designed professional gear is noticeably better! Would you be so kind as to send me all of yours so I can confirm this for myself?
 
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More mental masturbation, applause! Not much alliteration but you were able to obfuscate very well. Now you poignant pontificators of putrid plagarism, let's get back to mics and how we use them.
 
Big Kenny said:
More mental masturbation, applause! Not much alliteration but you were able to obfuscate very well. Now you poignant pontificators of putrid plagarism, let's get back to mics and how we use them.

Obfuscation? An intelligent reader could see the point clearly enough. As for plagiarism, check your dictionary for a proper definition.

Anyway, I made my point. And you made yours, and in far fewer words than I did. Your mental masturbation didn't take nearly as long. And, for the record, I agree with you. Let's get back to mics and how we use them.
 
expatguy said:
As for plagiarism, check your dictionary for a proper definition.

I know it wasn't right, just needed a "p" word and pugilistic wasn't even close. Maybe I should have gone with porcine, ahhhh but I digress. Back to mics!
 
I don't agree with the allusion to paint brushes. I think what we, as home reccers do can be recreated and made to sound better at a later date. With multitrack recording, it can take months to record a song (at least for me it does). If it's an inspired performance, the performance itself will sell the song, not the $5K vocal chain.
Until I can listen to a completed song and pick out the pre used on the overheads, I'm not gonna sweat the details. And if anything I write or record ever gets enough serious attention to merit better recording equipment, I just might head over to a Pro studio.
Yet, I still lust over API's and Royers and on and on...
 
Nubs: so, basically you can't believe some people have the unforgivably bad taste to not be able to afford expensive gear. That's some "Let them eat cake" bullshit if I ever herd it. Feel free to start up homerecordingforsnobs.com any time.
 
Big Kenny said:
expatguy said:
As for plagiarism, check your dictionary for a proper definition.

I know it wasn't right, just needed a "p" word and pugilistic wasn't even close. Maybe I should have gone with porcine, ahhhh but I digress. Back to mics!

Hey, Big Kenny. You win! "Porcine" sent me running to check my dictionary. :) So, you get back to mics. I'll get back to sleep. The ultimate digression.
 
gummblefish said:
And then to top it, (which by the way i for one didnt think possible) with Proletariat promulations. Thats great! To actually Use the "word" Promulation.

The word is supposed to be "promulGation"
 
It seems that not even the venerable Musician's Fiend (relax, that was intentional) catalog has the Puke Pump, MXL Vagina, etc. listed.

So perhaps nubsy's problem is that he is not picking the best representations from these manufacturers to audition.
 
The fact is that as home recorders our purchase decisions are almost always driven by budget first and then maximizing quality within that budget (unless we for some other reason are already fantasicly wealthy). So the question about what is the best quality vocal mic for under $200 is in fact the FUNDAMENTAL purchase decision. Get used to it.

Now here is the revelation. For most PRO studios the purchase decisions are driven by budget first and quality second. Yes there are certainly a handfull of pro studios where price is no object. You can usually distinguish them from the others by who is making a profit and who is not. Its no accident that pro studios have boxes of sm57s sitting around and not boxes of Neumans.
 
cannabis said:
jesus, no posts for almost a year

where have you been?

you actually have been keeping track? i don't know whether to be flattered or scared.
 
I felt like nubs at one time, until I found the shure sm7b. I actually picked it over a Neumann U149 in a "live" blind test.

Now I just bitch about shitty plug-ins.. Which reminds me, I need to make a one deminsional rant about the empty promises of plug-ins.
 
Rip Rowan over at ProRec has an interesting article on recording myths
<http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/files/D035BAA5D245F6B9862567DF001914F2> entiled "Balderdash!" He takes on a series of his recording pet peeves, starting with "the C12s" (esoteric gear sluts) versus "the 57s" (who seem to accept any sound as good sound). It's an amusing article for anyone with a few minutes on their hands.
 
expatguy said:
Rip Rowan over at ProRec has an interesting article on recording myths
<http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/files/D035BAA5D245F6B9862567DF001914F2> entiled "Balderdash!" He takes on a series of his recording pet peeves, starting with "the C12s" (esoteric gear sluts) versus "the 57s" (who seem to accept any sound as good sound). It's an amusing article for anyone with a few minutes on their hands.

Great rant!
 
littledog said:
you actually have been keeping track? i don't know whether to be flattered or scared.

My eyes bugged out too when I saw your handle.

Long time no see.

P.S. I suck but always prefer to suck in the highest available fidelity. :D

Crappy gear destroys the subtle nuances of my suckiness.

Those Aphex thingys or an Autotune can add suck post, but it's just not the organic/natural suck of my playing and singing.

That and not being able to find suitable medication probably accounts for over half my studio. :D
 
littledog said:
you actually have been keeping track? i don't know whether to be flattered or scared.
in another life i read and enjoyed your humorous and knowledgeable posts, that all

this place is lacking your kind of input

so be flattered
 
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