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CanopuS
Amateur music since 1847
Me too. We're being more depressed than your average crawdad song. 
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CanopuS
Amateur music since 1847
Incidently, I was just wondering what you used to record your music Sonusman. It sounds like you vary the equipment from song to song, but in general?
Thanks
(Good stuff by the way)
Thanks
(Good stuff by the way)
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
I'm goin' to a gig and I'm in a rush so I'll come back and read all the responses I haven't gotten to later. It looks like there are some good comments.
But I agree that sampled drums don't sound like real drums for the most part.
I also agree with " So fuckin' what!" It's art and it is a matter of making your stuff fit the available tools.
I think of music as paintings....an artist painting his visions.
If Rembrandt had not had colored paints.....he would have worked in charcoal or pencil or whatever and he still would have made wonderful art. It would have just been different art.
As for whether or not we can get pro results.....I've heard quite a few things in this clinic that were as good as pro stuff when you consider the fact that plenty of pro recordings don't sound good. I'm an album collector with over 5500 LPs and a lesser but still large group of CDs and I can flat out say that I hear lots of stuff I don't think sounds good, and Don Was agrees. In fact, I just read an interview with him where he talks about the absolutely horrible sounding trends in mastering that currently prevail in the marketplace.
These things are often a matter of taste.
Yes....when I hear something bad....I'll comment on it and you've all seen me do that......but mostly I'm about the music.....if someone has great chops....then I don't think the fact that he has home gear should lessen the worth of his music. That may just be me , but I really feel there's validity to it.
One example....I have a CD of stuff Al did in his home studio and it's one of my favorite blues CDs period. I put it right up there with Robert Cray. And without his home gear...I'd never have heard it.
Let's face it....the music biz is a place where virtually none of us will make it big.....it's either the homestudio or nothing for the vast majority of us......and the world would be a poorer place, in my eyes, without some of the music that home gear has made possible.
But I agree that sampled drums don't sound like real drums for the most part.
I also agree with " So fuckin' what!" It's art and it is a matter of making your stuff fit the available tools.
I think of music as paintings....an artist painting his visions.
If Rembrandt had not had colored paints.....he would have worked in charcoal or pencil or whatever and he still would have made wonderful art. It would have just been different art.
As for whether or not we can get pro results.....I've heard quite a few things in this clinic that were as good as pro stuff when you consider the fact that plenty of pro recordings don't sound good. I'm an album collector with over 5500 LPs and a lesser but still large group of CDs and I can flat out say that I hear lots of stuff I don't think sounds good, and Don Was agrees. In fact, I just read an interview with him where he talks about the absolutely horrible sounding trends in mastering that currently prevail in the marketplace.
These things are often a matter of taste.
Yes....when I hear something bad....I'll comment on it and you've all seen me do that......but mostly I'm about the music.....if someone has great chops....then I don't think the fact that he has home gear should lessen the worth of his music. That may just be me , but I really feel there's validity to it.
One example....I have a CD of stuff Al did in his home studio and it's one of my favorite blues CDs period. I put it right up there with Robert Cray. And without his home gear...I'd never have heard it.
Let's face it....the music biz is a place where virtually none of us will make it big.....it's either the homestudio or nothing for the vast majority of us......and the world would be a poorer place, in my eyes, without some of the music that home gear has made possible.
SLuiCe
New member
I'm with Lt. Bob.
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CanopuS
Amateur music since 1847
I'm with bob too
Hmmm I think several of us have the potential. Anyway its mostly about damn luck. The chances are someone talented wont get a label, but someone who doesnt write songs and cant sing will. Avril Lavigne anyone?
Hmmm I think several of us have the potential. Anyway its mostly about damn luck. The chances are someone talented wont get a label, but someone who doesnt write songs and cant sing will. Avril Lavigne anyone?
WATYF
...happier than you.
I'm with stupid.
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M.Brane
New member
WATYF said:
Sorry dude, but I'm gonna have to disagree completely with this one.
Perfect meter to me is an immediate tip-off that there's something screwy. Slight tempo deviations are essential for feel in music. A good drummer can drive a band in ways no machine will ever be able to.
No human can ever have perfect meter. Close, but not perfect.
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CanopuS
Amateur music since 1847
Matrix anyone?
muzeman
New member
I'm with Macle& LT.Bob.
Two fellas who definitly know how to chase the rainbow!
Two fellas who definitly know how to chase the rainbow!
SLuiCe
New member
WATYF said:
Jerk. I was saving that one for last.
SLuiCe
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CanopuS said:
That movie sucked. It didn't even have an enticing soundtrack to pass the time with.
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
not that anyone gives a hoot...but I think comparing things to pro in the clinic is fine, as it is a good goal to shoot for. As far as what pro is...well there are many definitions as we all seem to agree on. Also, not being pro sounding is ok too... Personally, the clinic is about 90% of my music listening nowadays, and I won't buy a CD for $17.99 at the store anymore, unless it TOTALLY knocks me out...and those are far and few between.
It does appear in the clinic it is about the song as far as what people think makes it good or not...not so much the recording, production and such. Even musical talent seems to take a 2nd. However, as a musician (like everyone else here, I suppose), and not like the 14 yr old buying public. I like to hear chops, and great works of art(recordings/productions) created at home...almost as the preferred...over the song. On the rare occasion I am hearing a "potential" song hit (to me), but not like the "greats" that we all have a long list of.
oh..chris harris... eat me.. you didn't like the "beat it" solo!!?? you evh naysayer
(maybe a joke!!)
It does appear in the clinic it is about the song as far as what people think makes it good or not...not so much the recording, production and such. Even musical talent seems to take a 2nd. However, as a musician (like everyone else here, I suppose), and not like the 14 yr old buying public. I like to hear chops, and great works of art(recordings/productions) created at home...almost as the preferred...over the song. On the rare occasion I am hearing a "potential" song hit (to me), but not like the "greats" that we all have a long list of.
oh..chris harris... eat me.. you didn't like the "beat it" solo!!?? you evh naysayer
(maybe a joke!!)
Khompewtur
*Retired*
Essentially what we need is a drum program that throws humanistic "flaws" into the patterns.
I've actually been chopping up my drum samples and throwing them OFF timing.
The irony.
The ebony.
The lionelrichie.
I've actually been chopping up my drum samples and throwing them OFF timing.
The irony.
The ebony.
The lionelrichie.
JMarcomb
New member
i kinda think this is a silly thread. even though i think crawdads music rocks!
i think everyone should look past the sillyness and be or do whatever you want... dont mold yourself around opinion..
so many people in this world slow down the ambition in people that it makes me ill.
alot of people here are making music for enjoyment... if their drum samples dont sound as good as the pros ... so what... thats opinion..
everybody goes through rejection throughout their lives.... its the ones that are able to take it with a grain of salt are the true gifted ones
Albert Einstein : Don't judge those who try and fail, judge those who fail to try
i think everyone should look past the sillyness and be or do whatever you want... dont mold yourself around opinion..
so many people in this world slow down the ambition in people that it makes me ill.
alot of people here are making music for enjoyment... if their drum samples dont sound as good as the pros ... so what... thats opinion..
everybody goes through rejection throughout their lives.... its the ones that are able to take it with a grain of salt are the true gifted ones
Albert Einstein : Don't judge those who try and fail, judge those who fail to try
WATYF
...happier than you.
Actually... we don't disagree...M.Brane said:Sorry dude, but I'm gonna have to disagree completely with this one.
Perfect meter to me is an immediate tip-off that there's something screwy. Slight tempo deviations are essential for feel in music. A good drummer can drive a band in ways no machine will ever be able to.
No human can ever have perfect meter. Close, but not perfect.
I don't mean perfectly quantized meter. I mean humanly "perfect" meter.
There is a difference between the human "groove" that a pro drummer places on a beat, and the "slop" that an amateur drummer places on a beat.
The absence of all "slop", in all instruments, is what I was speaking of.
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mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
see...I told you all I agreed with jeff..
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Kramer
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chrisharris said:
Good song to bring up Chris.LOL....that song also breaks the standard "rule" that all stringed instruments should be tuned before recording.lmao!That lead guitar is so out of tune it aint even funny.....it also breaks the rule of playing a song in a key that the singer can actually sing in.I mean c'mon,the key that song is sung in is way lower than anything that is within kidrocks reach.LOL...I bet kidrock was the producer too....he would have to be because NOBODY else would have let that out of tune lead guitar make it on the final cut and ultimately onto the airwaves.
btw I agree with mixmkr,sluice,Lt.Bob,macle,crawdad etc...
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mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
Kramer said:btw I agree with mixmkr,stluice,Lt.Bob,macle,crawdad etc...
that's St. Louis... not stluice
WATYF
...happier than you.
They already have that.Khompewtur said:
I think NIN used it on a pretty popular song a couple albums ago. There was this drum break in the middle that I could swear was a real drummer.... ends up it was this new program that puts human "flaws" into programmed drums. Sounded frickin' good to me, either way.
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