SM57 vs. Audix i5 on distorted guitar (samples)

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which one do you prefer? And if you could do that i'd love you :)
 
ericlingus said:
which one do you prefer? And if you could do that i'd love you :)
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Okay, here's the same thing through the e609s. Exact same amplifier settings and the exact same placement for the mic.

Basically.....I don't like this tone. But I'm putting it up here for you man!
Actually this mic sounds pretty good blended with something else, but I don't like it on it's own.

e609s
 
I too have been looking for a mic for our guitarists Marshall cabinet and after listening to all 3 of those samples I think I like the Sennheiser best of all. Nice combination of clarity and bite.

Nice riff by the way.
 
It doesn't sound like I would often use the e609 alone - just doesn't have the fullness of the other 2 mics. However, it sounds like it would be a nice compliment to a 57 on a cab. Maybe one take with an SM57, and another take with the e609, both panned about 70%.

The audix sounds like a nice alternative to a 57 if you needed a slightly more scooped, and slightly brighter sound than a 57 gives you (those of you who dig the scooped sound of that audix sound, try a B1 on a cab, it sounds similar)
 
the i5 sounds much more modern, whereas the 57 has almost a classic feel to it. but that could be because 57s were used on older recordings and i5s are gaining popularity now!
 
wow thanks a lot man for doing that. Hmm both mics seem to compliment the 57 pretty well. The audix i5 seems to have more mids than the e609s. The e609s is the furthest away from a 57 sound than the other one. Hmmm I don't know. Arrrgg. I don't know. What mic do you think would sound best with the 57 for my style of music?
 
ericlingus said:
wow thanks a lot man for doing that. Hmm both mics seem to compliment the 57 pretty well. The audix i5 seems to have more mids than the e609s. The e609s is the furthest away from a 57 sound than the other one. Hmmm I don't know. Arrrgg. I don't know. What mic do you think would sound best with the 57 for my style of music?
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You would probably have an easier time blending the 609 with a 57 because the i5 will fight with the 57 somewhat where their responses are similar. The 609 is more different from the 57. I've found that even panned to the same positions the 609 and 57 sort of leave room for each other if that makes any sense.
 
metalhead28 said:
You would probably have an easier time blending the 609 with a 57 because the i5 will fight with the 57 somewhat where their responses are similar. The 609 is more different from the 57. I've found that even panned to the same positions the 609 and 57 sort of leave room for each other if that makes any sense.
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My personal fav. setup involves using 57s and 609s simultaneously with the 609s panned to the sides and the 57 panned to the center. While I own an i5, I haven't yet figured out what I like using it for... I don't like using it on its own or pairing it up with a 57 or 609 as much as I like the 57/609 pair, but that's probably just a function of the amps/speakers I'm using. I have a recording session next week where I'm planning on trying the i5 on snare, which seems like it would be a good fit.

--B
 
thanks metalhead. I just got a GLS ES57 today. I'm about to mess around with it some more. It's not exactly like the original but very close. I think it's a great mic for only 30 bucks. Have any advice on miking an amp with two 57's?
 
Thanks for posting this. This has intrigued me to get an i5. The sound that you're capturing from it is very tight and clean.
 
Well Thanks Alot! I've got a whole fleet of 57's and now that I've heard your clip with the i5 I'm wondering if I have the right mic. Killer guitar btw!
 
ericlingus said:
thanks metalhead. I just got a GLS ES57 today. I'm about to mess around with it some more. It's not exactly like the original but very close. I think it's a great mic for only 30 bucks. Have any advice on miking an amp with two 57's?
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Well, I like to use one on axis and one off axis...about 30 to 40 degrees. With the capsules nearly touching. That can make for a really meaty tone. Just be sure to check for phasing issues when you place them. I think the key to getting the most out of multiple mics is to try and capture a different tone from each mic. Otherwise, one mic would probably sound better.

I've seen people ruin the sound of one mic by adding the second mic when they didn't need it, or didn't place it properly. They just thought they needed to do it that way.
 
metalhead28 said:
Hello Funky_A...I see I'm not the only one pulling double forum duty, haha. Geez, I get bored at work. :D

Thanks again.
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Of course :)...I learn a lot from both boards.
And yeah work, thank God for forums and the internet :)..without internet work would be even worse than it is now, unless you're a recording engineer, professional musician or producer offcourse..:)..

The past time I only Mic my guitars with a 57 about an inch from the grill, 1.5 inch to the side of the cones, and a MD421 on more distance from it but actually centered with the cone.. pretty happy with that result..

I might want to rent a i5 some day since they just added it to the rental list of the music store in town..it's 10 bucks for a day...and have a real test drive on it...
 
It would be awesome if you could post a few clips with I5 + SM57 doubled and panned and E609 + SM57 doubled and panned! If it's too much work that's cool, you've done quite enough already! I'm just wondering since I typically use more than 1 mic.
 
BRIEFCASEMANX said:
It would be awesome if you could post a few clips with I5 + SM57 doubled and panned and E609 + SM57 doubled and panned! If it's too much work that's cool, you've done quite enough already! I'm just wondering since I typically use more than 1 mic.
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Well, I've been wanting to do a little of that myself so when I get something together I'll post it. I can tell you this much...using an identical tone from the amp (as in this test), the i5 and the 57 didn't mesh too well to my ears. Even if you pulled down the low end mud with some eq, they still sort of cloud up the definition in the midrange. I haven't listened to that in a mix either so I might change my mind.... Now if we're talking a situation where I go in and physically double the part, I could dial in different tones for each pass and probably get something usable out of the i5 and 57 blend....I just don't like them alot with the same positioning and the same tone. I'm gonna play around with this this weekend I hope.
 
If i was to make a choice right now, i think the i5.
Depends on the song really, Both would be handy to have

What about the MD421 now... :cool:
 
bcains said:
If i was to make a choice right now, i think the i5.
Depends on the song really, Both would be handy to have

What about the MD421 now... :cool:
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MD421....well.....350 bucks is not as easy of an impulse buy. :p

I'm afraid that if I buy one, I'll try it out on a tom and it will sound so good I'll never be happy until I buy 3 or 4 more of them to replace all my 57's when I'm recording drums.....

Maybe one of these days. ;)
 
I bet the 2 together panned L/R would sound sick!
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oh yea it does

just yesterday, i recorded a stereo pair of distorted guitar with an i5 and 57, panned L/R, and the sound was huge

as someone else mentioned, the audix has a little more presence than the 57 - more of a punchy sound for sure

if someone can give me an idea where i can post them to, i can post my clips as well....both of the individual cuts, along with the combined i5/57

oh, and the recording chain on them was as follows:

ampeg vl-1002 --> marshall 4x12 --> i5/57 --> mackie onyx preamps @ 24/96
 
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