Singing techniques - can i get help here?

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yiordanaki said:
Fact - As far as im concerned, you could be the most knowledgable, talented and learned vocalist on the planet and I still would rather get advice from someone with common courtesy.
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I'm not a singer - and can't add any insight to this little debate -- but this quote from Harvey Gerst answers your comment nicely...

"Which would you choose; someone with a 50/50 smattering of knowledge and very polite, or 97% accuracy and blunt?"
 
"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength" - Eric Hoffer


"I think personal diplomacy has caused a lot of mischief and harm, and has impeded the progress of peace in the world"
- Paul Hasluck

and finally, something that describes many people on this BBS....

"Great talents are the most lovely and often the most dangerous fruits on the tree of humanity. They hang upon the most slender twigs that are easily snapped off."
-Carl Jung


-yiordanaki
 
btw, Bluebear, I was just wondering if you could post me a link to some of your recordings, I've heard many positive things about them, and i'd be interested to have a listen.

thanks
yiordanaki
 
Singing

I'm a decent singer from a family that can't sing and I think it's because, like you, I wanted to sing. It sounds like you are on the way. I wish I could explain what you are looking for but maybe this will help. I've discovered different ways to do my voice by chance and then I realized my favorite singers weren't actually screaming their lungs out and they used tricks to expand their range. The Dave Grohl scream is good. I think someone who demonstrates it better is McCartney in his prime. Only because he demonstrates that he has several different voices and I think that made me realize he was doing something other than just screaming. He uses a voice on "Get Back" that he used for only that song. Try singing "I'm Down" like you think he's singing it. When I do that my eyes start watering and my voice gives out. Then sing it like he does it and you'll have a lot of fun. Another voice I discovered is one I happened onto singing the harmony part to "Brown Sugar". The Yeah, yeah yeah part. It has a very limited range, but comes in handy. Low notes and falsettos. I haven't discovered any other trick other than practicing. I hope thats helpful. And one more thing.....Sing from your diaphram.
 
thanks apple -
I agree, i love dave grohls scream. And yes paul's was also awesome. But the weird thing is that with dave he can just turn it on and off as he pleases without any (noticable) change in his normal singing voice. I saw once when he was live he just started singing a normal note and then turned it into a yell and then back again. - in the same breath.

Blue bear - i'll d/l when i get home - and let you know what i think - not that it matters.....hehe

yiordanaki
 
- "Unfortunately most people tend to plateau early without input from a teacher."

How advanced do you want to get? you see once someone learns how to sing a certain genre that they like, they are not going to go out and learn every thing else as well.
eg. A hardcore punk singer gets his "scream" working well so he decides to go and brush up on his italian opera??
sorry it doesnt happen. a human is a human no matter what.


- "And bad habits my limit your style as a pianist or guitarist, which may not matter much, but damage to your vocal chords can't be undone that easily, if at all."

I dont know about you but i certainly dont know anyone whos done "damage" to their vocal chords by singing. humans were made to sing. i think your friends should get their "weak" vocal chords checked out by a doctor. maybe we shouldnt talk from now on because we might damage our vocal chords. you know what all this walking we're doing might being permenently damaging our legs!! from now on im going wheelchair all the way!! oh, and breathing??? well no damn air is going to permenently damage my lungs!!!!

- "MANY rock and pop singers end up unable to sing at all after a few years of what amounts to vocal abuse."

MANY???? Did you know that "MANY" people dont like unproven generalisations???


And smellyfuzz, im sorry but the only thing iv learnt in this thread is that you "bel CAN'To" give very good advice.


peace

Balshazza

ps. sorry about all the sarcasm

pps. hey how do you do those cool "Quote" things?
 
Balshazza said:
[Bpps. hey how do you do those cool "Quote" things? [/B]
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It's easy.... you could probably teach yourself. :rolleyes:

You want a list of singers who have done damage to their vocal cords?? Look up "nodes" and "singers/singing" or whatever on Google. YOu'll surely find lots of stuff. We often hear about bands/performers from all sorts of genres that have had to cancel shows, tours, etc. because of "sore throats" or from "problems with his/throat" etc.

Of course, surgery is something we should all aspire to....:rolleyes:

Chris
 
We often hear about bands/performers from all sorts of genres that have had to cancel shows, tours, etc. because of "sore throats" or from "problems with his/throat" etc.


But dont you think "sore throat" might mean "sick"? you cant just jump to conclusions about why people cancel their shows.
Famous people get sick too, you know.

peace

balshazza

ps. I got the bold thing happening but still no "Quote"
 
Balshazza said:
We often hear about bands/performers from all sorts of genres that have had to cancel shows, tours, etc. because of "sore throats" or from "problems with his/throat" etc.


But dont you think "sore throat" might mean "sick"? you cant just jump to conclusions about why people cancel their shows.
Famous people get sick too, you know.

peace

balshazza

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Not only singers, but anyone who uses his/her voice a lot for work is at risk of repeated throat problems such as laryngitis, and in the long term of getting scarring or nodes on the vocal folds. I know several school teachers who left the profession for just this reason.

There is a common misconception that singing, being a "natural" activity, as of course it is, cannot be done incorrectly and so carries no risk. This may be the attitude behind casting directors' decisions to appoint well known TV actors as principals in Stage Musicals instead of trained singers - it gets bums on seats, after all. Last year a well known soap starlet opened to great acclaim in London's West End as Eliza Doolittle - and promply went off sick with laryngitis. Over the next six months she did about one performance in 4, the rest were taken by understudies, raw unknowns, but at least they'd had the training necessary to sing nightly in a three hour show.

Sarah
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FORGET IT CHRIS !!!!!

You might as well have a debate with wallpaper.

Isn't is amazing how many singing experts there are ?

My favorite quote of the year is;

sorry it doesnt happen. a human is a human no matter what.
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humans were made to sing. i think your friends should get their "weak" vocal chords checked out by a doctor. maybe we shouldnt talk from now on because we might damage our vocal chords. you know what all this walking we're doing might being permenently damaging our legs!!
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Idiot !

Never the less, it is good to see someone with real knowledge on this subject.
Although, we do not agree on every aspect, I'm highly impressed by your understanding of what the body does to produce sound.
Your reading in that area has educated me, which I appreciate.
Also, on behalf of the other morons on this posting, THANKS for your patience that seems with out end.
I obviously have far less then you when it come to bad information being spread as scripture.

Peace Chris,

Sean

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Bluebear;

I'm not a singer - and can't add any insight to this little debate
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Bruce,

There is NO debate, just noobs running off at the mouth with no knowledge or facts to back their ass backwards opinions, LIKE I HAVE DONE SO MANY TIME BEFORE.

I'll guarantee you know more about singing then some of these jokers.

BTW, I'm listening to your tune, INCREDIBLE SOUND !!!!!!

How do you get that vox so intimate ?

Do YOU give recording lessons ?
 
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smellyfuzz said:
You might as well have a debate with wallpaper.


Do YOU give recording lessons ?
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Cheers, Smellyfuzz! You're right about the wallpaper comment - and a bunch of other stuff too...

Whadda ya mean, recording lessons? Cant ya just teach yourself??:rolleyes:

Bwa-haha-haha-haha....:D

Chris
 
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smellyfuzz said:
Do YOU give recording lessons ?
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Sure do -- freebies -- everytime I post here!!!! :p :p ;)

Glad you like the tune...!

:)
 
Yeh- I also d/l "Here again" and enjoyed it very much.

I'm assuming you didnt play any of the parts, but the mix was great also.

Thanks for posting it.

smellyfuzz, you said ....... There is NO debate, just noobs running off at the mouth with no knowledge or facts to back their ass backwards opinions, LIKE I HAVE DONE SO MANY TIME BEFORE.

?? Am i to interpret this as you saying you don't/didn't at one point in your life know everything??? whoah - im shocked.

Just as a side point, i find it funny that people dismiss newbies on this BBS (well any BBS really) as newbie's to the certain topics. I mean some (not me) could be the best and most talented professional in his/her field but the number of posts seems to dictate the "internet respect" they receive. comical, really....

anyway thanks again everybody for the replies, ive learned heaps.

yiordanaki
 
smellyfuzz said:

After many, many lessons;

I have developed a 3 ½ octave range
I can sing for 3 to 4 hours and not burn out.
I have an excellent sense of pitch.
I have not met one person who even compares to me in power, pitch or range.
My shit does not stink.
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I think you may have left something out of your post, so I fixed it in the above quote.

Get the hell off your high horse (notice the alliteration); Are you trying to be a prick? (I know you were just trying to help the kid by impressing him with your self-righteous babble, thereby
showing him how he can take lessons and become a snobby jackass like you). Try being a little less arrogant and maybe people will have an easier time accepting the knowledge I'm confident you possess.

peace
 
synergy - i dont know what it is, but i like you - alot!!

smellyfuzz - you know what, i decided to step back and have a look at this with an open mind and from a neutral point of view, and its really made me realise something.
you obviously were underpriveleged as a child, also a lack of friends also could have played an important role in your upbringing. therefore you got to spend a lot of time by yourself. now you may or may not have had a mirror that you idolised, but one thing is for certain, ......

oh im sick of trying to be nice!!! just SHUT YOUR CAKE HOLE and this will be a much happyier place for everybody!!!!

maybe you singing instructor should have taught you how to NOT have a huge ego!

yiordanaki is right, just cause a word says that you just joined a website, doesnt mean that that persons never in their whole life sung before or played guitar before or, shock, had lessons before.

just cause the rest of us dont go around bragging about all the study weve done with proffessional teachers, doesnt actually mean we havent!!!

someone is gonna burn you REALLY bad one day and youll realise what a tool youve been.

hey you know what my favorite quote is?

Smellyfuzz is a POOF
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peace balshazza


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YAY!!!
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yiordanaki;

Just as a side point, i find it funny that people dismiss newbies on this BBS (well any BBS really) as newbie's to the certain topics. I mean some (not me) could be the best and most talented professional in his/her field but the number of posts seems to dictate the "internet respect" they receive. comical, really....
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NO !

There are members on this site that have 20, 30, 40, and yes 50 YEARS experience in their field, how much experience do YOU have ?

?? Am i to interpret this as you saying you don't/didn't at one point in your life know everything??? whoah - im shocked.
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If you had been a HR.com member for more then a week, you would know that I ask questions all of the time in order to further my knowledge of the different aspects of recording.

I only claim to have MUCH, MUCH more education of singing then you.

BTW, it was for YOUR best interest that I jumped all over you.

YOU UNGRATEFUL LITTLE FUCK.

WALLPAPER !

synergy;

Get the hell off your high horse (notice the alliteration); Are you trying to be a prick? (I know you were just trying to help the kid by impressing him with your self-righteous babble, thereby
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Actually, I was trying to help stop a member from making a detrimental mistake by pointing out the false info that was spreading. I listed those points to give credentials to my argument but, you completely missed the point of my posts.

WALLPAPER !


Balshazza;

oh im sick of trying to be nice!!! just SHUT YOUR CAKE HOLE and this will be a much happyier place for everybody!!!!
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AND LET BAD ADVICE THAT CAN DESTROY VOICES RUN A MUCK. NO !

look at this with an open mind
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If that were true, you'd see that I was just passionate about singing and was looking out for beginners best interest.


WALLPAPER !


Sean
 
smelly:

I do not doubt that you are trying to help a begining singer by pointing out common misconceptions. The only problem is the way you went about it. I mean, c'mon, I almost started laughing when I read the part about not having met anyone that compares to you in power, pitch or range. At first I seriously thought you were joking. When I realized you were serious, I couldn't help but thinking, "Maybe he doesn't get out much". No amount of singing experience gives you the right to make the type of arrogant, derogatory comments like you do. If you're going to be an asshole, expect to be treated like one. Otherwise, share your wisdom in a manner in which people will be much more willing to accept.

peace
 
RIGHT ON SYNERGY!!!!

yiordanaki;


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Just as a side point, i find it funny that people dismiss newbies on this BBS (well any BBS really) as newbie's to the certain topics. I mean some (not me) could be the best and most talented professional in his/her field but the number of posts seems to dictate the "internet respect" they receive. comical, really....
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NO !

There are members on this site that have 20, 30, 40, and yes 50 YEARS experience in their field, how much experience do YOU have ?
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smellyfuzz - what are you stupid?? yiordanaki didnt say anything about himself having that much experience!! Stop picking on HIM, he was just making a point not having his hand down his pants like you always do!!!!

I only claim to have MUCH, MUCH more education of singing then you.
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maybe you should edumacate yourself a bit better in english!!


balshazza
 
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