Samples of drums recorded with budget overheads?

[PhilGood]

Och ayye, ya see.
I was just saying incase you didnt notice it or something. Just trying to help you know. Calm doon laddy!

Was that recording only 2 OHs and no close mics? Impressive if it is. Has a nice natural sound.
What kit is it?

Nay, There is a mic on every droom! We did notice the panning problem, but decided to do nay aboot it and try changing out the cable later. I figured, roll 'em and lets see how they sound. Aye, I still need a new mixer!

Thanks for the help! Didn't mean to sound all riled up!

BTW, Its just a Tama Rockstar kit.

 

[ecktronic]

Cool. I could do WITH a mixer!! i aint got anything!

 

[rweiss]

We just recorded this rough track a few days to test our equipment. Drums are mic'd with an sm57 on snare, d112 on kick, and everything else with that Nady 7-piece mic set (3 toms, 2 overheads, and a mic under the snare - very important!). All 8 inputs are fed into our Firepod into Sonar, with some minor processing/effects added within Sonar. That's it.

http://www.rweiss.ssxh.net/temp/music/face2.wma

 

[PhilGood]

We just recorded this rough track a few days to test our equipment. Drums are mic'd with an sm57 on snare, d112 on kick, and everything else with that Nady 7-piece mic set (3 toms, 2 overheads, and a mic under the snare - very important!). All 8 inputs are fed into our Firepod into Sonar, with some minor processing/effects added within Sonar. That's it.

http://www.rweiss.ssxh.net/temp/music/face2.wma

Any chance you could post this in another format? Wave or mp3 maybe? Not everyone uses Windows. I have both, but I know plenty of Mac people.

 

[ahj]

We just recorded this rough track a few days to test our equipment. Drums are mic'd with an sm57 on snare, d112 on kick, and everything else with that Nady 7-piece mic set (3 toms, 2 overheads, and a mic under the snare - very important!). All 8 inputs are fed into our Firepod into Sonar, with some minor processing/effects added within Sonar. That's it.

http://www.rweiss.ssxh.net/temp/music/face2.wma

what kind of room/area was this recorded in? it sounds real good.

 

[tvanveen]

603's as overheads, 57 on the snare, D112 on kick -

No reverb on the drums, some UAD compression on kick and snare.

The kit is a $100 yard sale special.

tv

 

[travelin travis]

603's as overheads, 57 on the snare, D112 on kick -

No reverb on the drums, some UAD compression on kick and snare.

The kit is a $100 yard sale special.

tv

Sounds good for a $100 yard sale special. Can you give more details? Room dimensions, treated or untreated, cymbals, heads, preamps.........

Thanks.

 

[travelin travis]

We just recorded this rough track a few days to test our equipment. Drums are mic'd with an sm57 on snare, d112 on kick, and everything else with that Nady 7-piece mic set (3 toms, 2 overheads, and a mic under the snare - very important!). All 8 inputs are fed into our Firepod into Sonar, with some minor processing/effects added within Sonar. That's it.

http://www.rweiss.ssxh.net/temp/music/face2.wma

Sounds good. How big of a room are you setup in?

 

[tvanveen]

Sounds good for a $100 yard sale special. Can you give more details? Room dimensions, treated or untreated, cymbals, heads, preamps.........

Thanks.

The room is our bassist's basement. It's about 40 feet long, 15 or 20 wide. Nice 70's wood panelling and linoleum. Untreated. There is a rug under the kit. Ceiling height is like 8 feet, the 603's are about 2 feet above the kit. The kit is backed into one corner. You can sort of see it here -

http://www.bigdayphoto.com/music/8small.jpg

The mics weren't set up like that for the recording.

It's an ass of a kit, but it sort of works for what we do...

I used a RNP for the overheads, a DMP3 on the kick, and a VTB-1 on the snare. This went into a Fostex VF-160, and the wavs were dumped into N-Track. The kick has some UAD LA2, the snare some UAD 1176.

I don't really know what the cymbals or heads are, but I could check.

BTW, this was my bands 1st attempt at making a "decent recording", as well as my first attempt at trying to track/mix one. The guitars still need a bit of work and we expect to add some fluff...when it's done I'll post over on the MP3 forum.

Thanks,

Tom

 

[tvanveen]

Drummer says -

Heads are a combination of remo pinstripes and coated ambassadors. Think the snare might be an evans g1 coated.

Currently, cymbals are:
Hi hat - no name, cheap stamped
Ride - Paiste 404 22" (got 'er for $40 and it's almost worth it)
crash - 16" zildian schimitar
crash - 16" paiste signature fast crash

 

[PhilGood]

To rweiss and tvanveen, these a very good tracks!! Overheads sound nice and the snares are very clear and even. The only suggestion I could make would be give the compressor a fairly slow attack and release and about 3:1 compression, then boost the output. This will make the kick sound thick and huge. If you want, boost the 4-6khz region of the kick mic and you'll get a nice attack!

I love the vocal tracks, tvanveen. What mic did you use on those?

 

[tvanveen]

Thanks Phil, I'll try that on the kick.

The vocals were done with a AT4060 into a Safesound in our walk-in closet, which is fairly well packed with clothes.

tv

 

[travelin travis]

I've been thinking about buying a cheap kit so I can ditch the midi stuff. You guys are making me think it really would be possible to get a decent drum sound with a cheap kit.

 

[PhilGood]

Cheap kits can sound OK, provided you can tune drums and put on decent heads. Your still not going to sound like a $3000 kit, but for some genre's like punk, you don't want a refined sound.

Hey! ...Like microphones!!

 

[Bluestemaudio]

Thanks, Man

That track sounds great. I thought the drums sounded fine. The cymbals have good definition. Better than some fully mic'd drums I've heard. Then again I have a thing for "less is more".

Glad to hear praise. That was the second song I ever recorded with a full band. (At least as engineer/producer). I do wish I had my studio monitors back then, though. It's pretty easy now to pick out my mistakes.

Still, the point of this thread is the mic. The basic OH track, with just a little bit of a high-end bump in EQ (Sonitus FX with Sonar 4) really made that high hat sizzle. I got that pair of v63's for about $80, used, I think. (Including two "soft cases" that were actually Camel Cash sunglass cases ) All in all, a great purchase!

 

[Bluestemaudio]

Sorry to get off the thread a bit but...

Philgood,
You should post some sort of compilation of your drum-recording advice. I have run across your stuff over and over again, and so far have found it quite useful.
TVanveen... Cool track. guitars sound great, drums very good. Really nice mix.

One thought: I feel like the vocals could come a little more to the front, but I'm just listening on my Mac speakers right now. What sort of mic are you utilizing for the lead vocals? Alternately, it might be a matter of tightening up the bass. Again, not on great speakers at the moment.

That aside, I think its a good, solid recording.

 

[tvanveen]

Thanks,

The vocal mic was a AT4060 in to a Safesound P1.

I'm still working on this song (it's really my first attempt, and therefore sort of a self-inflicted ongoing clinic.)

Here's where it is now -

I don't have any strong points, but my super weak point is EQ, which I'm futzing with now. I might have overdone the high end.

We're going to retrack the vocals, add some background vocals and maybe some hand percussion. I might also redo the solo, it seems to be the weak link.

Hopefully I'll have this done next week.

tv

 

[travelin travis]

the vocals and guitars don't seem to be sitting in the mix to me, compared to the original. i think the panning changes kind of made everything stand out too much.