gianelli280
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that bad eh?
that bad eh?
Sonixx
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the level is extremely low. can't really make heads nor tails.
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mixsit
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Yes. Or.. lose the compression all together, and possibly even go cleaner so it articulates with more dynamic/transient.
..Depending from wherever you are now of course.
gianelli280
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compressed and added a little eq, played with the amp for a while. the second part is doubled (hopefully as subtly as i was aiming for).
i centered the lead and put rhythm about 40% right, cut rhythm down a bit too.
i also tried to put a condenser about 3 feet back but the program i'm using (poobase le4) won't allow me to put it in phase so it sounded like dookie... well, more dookie than before.
keep the flame coming.
i centered the lead and put rhythm about 40% right, cut rhythm down a bit too.
i also tried to put a condenser about 3 feet back but the program i'm using (poobase le4) won't allow me to put it in phase so it sounded like dookie... well, more dookie than before.
keep the flame coming.
Sonixx
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your clip is mono.
gianelli280
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my b. i'll put a stereo one up when i get home tonight.
and sorry for how un-metal this song is... it's the easiest solo that i have recorded so far. might be a bad reference point but i figured the help could translate towards other songs.
and sorry for how un-metal this song is... it's the easiest solo that i have recorded so far. might be a bad reference point but i figured the help could translate towards other songs.
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nate_dennis
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PHase issues should be addressed by mic placement not by phase allignment software. It's crucial, when mulit micing one source that you check your mics in MONO to ensure no phase cancellation. Adjusting the mic placement should fix that issue.
Sonixx
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How does one ensure this? Are you saying all frequencies are aligned?
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benherron.rrr
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Have you tried the finger in the ear techique. get the guy playing through the amp, walk around looking like a fool with your finger in one ear because theoreticly you would be listening in mono (no finger in the ear and your in stereo) It can help you find the "sweet" spot so you can figure out where abouts to place the mic. Never forget about angle, I have recently been recording a Jazz band for a single. It really dawned on me how just by angleing the mic away from the amp a little really warmed up the sound. I achived brian may style... much better then what was coming out of the amp.
At university we have a lunchtime concert on a tuesday which I record for archivng purposes, and for creating a promotional CD. Once we had an acoustic guitarist, a metal guitarist to a backing track and a male choir in quick sucsession. So I focused on the male voice choir, To record the metal guitarist I just moved one of the AKG C414's one of our stereo pairs placed it about 1ft away from the amp and put a -16db pad on it. for a quick set up I managed to get a killer sound from it.
At university we have a lunchtime concert on a tuesday which I record for archivng purposes, and for creating a promotional CD. Once we had an acoustic guitarist, a metal guitarist to a backing track and a male choir in quick sucsession. So I focused on the male voice choir, To record the metal guitarist I just moved one of the AKG C414's one of our stereo pairs placed it about 1ft away from the amp and put a -16db pad on it. for a quick set up I managed to get a killer sound from it.
gianelli280
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i'll try playing around with mic placement but i think i'm fighting against my crappy mic.
sorry i didn't put up the stereo clip last night, we lost power for a while. i'll try to put it up in a couple minutes
gianelli280
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ok that should be in stereo, let me know if it isn't.
Todzilla
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My plug for reamping: You effectively separate performance from tone (I know that sounds heretical, but it isn't as long as you're monitoring live into an amp you love).
Once you get the licks you really like (comped or otherwise), you can reamp the performance into a variety of amps/cabs with a variety of mics/placements/preamps. The performance is all the same, so the only variations are tonal.
I usually record several passes with the best rig, and modify the mic placement (on cone, off cone, angled, straight). Then, instead of EQing the guitars, I just select more on cone (to brighten) or off cone (for low end strength) without worrying about getting the performance right at the same time.
Every guitarist I've worked with is religiously opposed to this approach, until we're done and then they admit it works really well.
Once you get the licks you really like (comped or otherwise), you can reamp the performance into a variety of amps/cabs with a variety of mics/placements/preamps. The performance is all the same, so the only variations are tonal.
I usually record several passes with the best rig, and modify the mic placement (on cone, off cone, angled, straight). Then, instead of EQing the guitars, I just select more on cone (to brighten) or off cone (for low end strength) without worrying about getting the performance right at the same time.
Every guitarist I've worked with is religiously opposed to this approach, until we're done and then they admit it works really well.
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ykarkason
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I'm perfectly not a pro,
But still,
I believe that it'll sound better if you'd work on the bass a lot, because the bass is foundation of the mix,
And it just doesn't seem to be there.
Also, only in the solo, you've pulled the doubled rhythm guitar into the middle, it's interfering with the solo, thus making it muddier.
plus, I think that the guitars' sound need to have some kind of "polish", try running it thru a tape/tube saturator to make it "shine"..
gianelli280
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so bring out the bass more as in guitar tone, or bass guitar itself? and i don't own a saturator of any kind, but i do have an external tube preamp, give that a shot?
i'm pretty sure i panned rhythm hard left (or right, can't remember) but i'll double check.
i'm pretty sure i panned rhythm hard left (or right, can't remember) but i'll double check.
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ykarkason
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I meant more out of the bass guitar itself,
because it's supposed to be the body of the song,
and a song can fail only because of a bad bass.
I can guess that the tube preamp will add some kind of warmth,
because you need a bit of warmth in your guitars.
gianelli280
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i took another stab at it last night. i did the same sort of move i pulled on vocals, which might be cheating a little... but i duplicated one take and panned hard left and right, then added a little reverb and delay on each channel respectively. i also used my overdrive pedal (why i didn't before i don't know) but that seemed to bring it out more... i'll post a clip tonight.