R Channel, L Channel and Stereo - what the?

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This is gonna sound extremely basic - stupid even - to those who know the answer, but I don't understand why there is a R and L channel option for each track in CEP. Why would one not always just record in stereo?

I guess my question is: when do you record in stereo, when do you choose instead to record either R or L Channel, and why?

Cheers
 
My sound card has 12 stereo channels. Audition shows the inputs as stereo as well because some folks like to record in stereo. I prefer to record most things in mono and create my own stereo during mixdown. At channel one; for example, I can plug one mic into L and another into R and record them as if they were two unrelated mono channels. In the software, track one = soundcard channel 1L, two = 1R, three = 2L, and so on.

I can record 24 mono channels that way if I wanted…or any mixed combination of stereo and mono. The software sees most sound cards that way so that users have the option to choose.


Cheers,
RawDepth
 
Thanks RawDepth, but can you explain why you "prefer to record most things in mono and create my own stereo during mixdown"? Why not just record in stereo from the outset? It will still be in stereo during mixdown. So, what is the advantage of initially recording in mono, please?
 
Well if you are recording with one mic the signal is mono anyway. I don't matter whether you choose stereo or mono record. It looks like a stereo image but it just two mono images, not stereo.

On the other hand if you have a keyboard that has stereo out and you have a nice stereo string synth sound you can record that in stereo.


If you record a single mic in stereo in Cool/Audition is the file size the same size as if you recorded it in L/Mono? I never really bothered to check on this.
 
The more stereo tracks you have, the more likely it is to muddle up the stereo image in the final mix. There's also potential for phase problems.
 
downonthestreet said:
Thanks RawDepth, but can you explain why you "prefer to record most things in mono"? Why not just record in stereo from the outset? It will still be in stereo during mixdown. So, what is the advantage of initially recording in mono, please?

I am not certain, but this is the way that I understand it. (Lots of folks here like to chew ass if every little detail is not correct on my replies.)

When you record one track with two microphones in stereo, you need to pay attention to phase. One side should be the opposite of the other. If they are the same, cancellation can occur. You don’t want to leave everything (all tracks) 100% left and 100% right because your mix would sound like everything is in the middle. Your final mix should be a unique blend of left-right positioning for each instrument. Each piece should occupy its own space in that array. Once you have the phase correct with one mic 100% left and one mic 100% right, it is difficult (if not impossible) to adjust the center point left or right without messing up that phase. When you have several stereo tracks to adjust, it becomes one big mess.

Mono tracks are played back as if they are stereo. In other words, it is split down the middle with half left and half right. You can easily adjust the center point side to side without any phase problems.

Cheers,
RawDepth
 
OK, thanks for the replies, guys - I'm beginning to see the light. It certainly makes sense to record in stereo if using a synth with a wide soundstage of strings etc, as pointed out above, and for a drum machine where the drum panning is already set.

In my case, I've just completed recording drums, 2 guitar tracks and bass, with vocals still to do. I have recorded everything in stereo. With this rather basic number of tracks, do you think I'm going to run into problems mixing down? It would be annoying to have to re-do everything but the drum tracks, but if I have to I have to. Would appreciate your advice on this, as I have organised for a vocalist to come over and do the singing track, but if I have to re-do all the instrumentation, perhaps I should do this first and postpone the vocals. Then again, I don't suppose it matters whether the vocals are down before or after I get the instruments down properly.

Having recorded everything in stereo thus far, do you think I'd be best to record the vocals on either the R or L channel, or in this case should I stick to stereo for the vocals as well?

Very appreciative of your willingness to assist.

Cheers
 
PS: I'm only using one mike for vocals, and DIing the guitars through a Tascam 4-track (which I'm simply using as a means of inline amplification for the mike and tone adjustment for the guitars).
 
When you record left channel only you'll simply be creating a mono file using the left channel as input. So if that's where the input is, that's what you want. No point in recording it in stereo if it's mono in the first place, not least because the mono file takes up half the space.
 
Yo Downonthestreet. The word "stereo" gets thrown around all the time to refer to things that have nothing to do with stereo recording. Stereo recording is a way to use two mics to create a model of the sound your left and right ears hear, sending different signals to the left and right speakers to simulate what you would have heard if you had been in the room where the music was played.
The signals are "panned", choosing how much of each signal goes to the left speaker, and how much to the right. Often "soft" panning is used, so the left signal goes *mostly* to the left. If you record one mic into a stereo input, there is *nothing* strereo about it. It's the same as if you recorded one channel and panned it "down the middle" (equally to both speaker outputs). All you are doing when you do this is wasting a channel you could be using for something else. Some instruments have a "stereo" output, especially some keyboards, and internal processing has already panned some output. This isn't stereo either, but the output of the 2 "stereo" channels isn't exactly the same, either. In this case, using stereo inputs makes sense. Other than that, the only time it makes sense to use a stereo input is when you have 2 mics arranged in a stereo configuration.-Richie
 
The L/R inputs correspond to mixer buses. If I have a 4-buss mixer, and I want to record 4 tracks independently from it, I assign the buses/tracks as follows: Bus 1>Track 1 L; Bus 2>Track 2 R; Bus 3>Track 3 L; Bus 4>Track 4 R.

The L/R thing is a legacy term left over from tape deck recording. The fact is that you can take a track you have recorded from L, for example, and pan it where ever you want. In fact, with Cool Edit Pro/Adobe Audition, the playback will default to centered until you change it with the "pan" button or the pan envelope.

The issue about stereo recording is a little more complex. What you want to accomplish with the finished mix is to emulate a soundstage, where each instrument comes from an area from left to right and front to back (as always, there are exceptions, but we'll ignore them). If you record each instrument in stereo, you'll end up with mud, because each stereo image will be trying to establish that "its" image is the right one, and your ears get confused. So, by recording each track in mono, we simplify the problem, and reduce it to something resolvable in the mixdown. That is, we have a single, mono track of guitar, say, and we pan it over there, and then we put a mono keyboard track and we pan it over here. When all is done it sounds as though the guitar is being played "over there", and the keyboard is being played "over here."

There are exceptions to mono recording: foremost is the drum part. I have a small space, so I depend on a drum machine, which I record in stereo, panned fairly closely around the center. This allows me to preserve the image of a drummer ("see, his snare is just to the left, and his toms are just to the right, and the kick is dead center") and I mix the rest of the song around the drum tracks.

Another exception would be a song featuring solo piano: it will sound a lot more natural if you record it in stereo.

But many other instruments and sources sound less cluttered, and exhibit fewer phase problems, if you simply record to mono. Even vocal choruses: I like to record the same track with 2 different mics, then pan them differently and possibly EQ them a little differently so that each voice is more distinct. While this may sound like stereo recording, it's really "dual-mono'; each part is on its separate track and I have the option, if necessary later on in the mixing process, to use only one track. This depends only on how it sounds, and on how I want it to sound.

Hope this helps. This is a very elementary run-through of the issues involved.
 
downonthestreet said:
It would be annoying to have to re-do everything but the drum tracks, but if I have to I have to. ...but if I have to re-do all the instrumentation, perhaps I should do this first and postpone the vocals.

Don't panic yet...

You may be able to still use what you have with a simple fix. I believe you can convert a stereo file to mono and/or a mono file to stereo. With a stereo file in the editor, try clicking on [edit], and then [convert sample type]. Depending on which version you have, you should be able to choose a stereo/mono option in there somewhere.

Good Luck
 
Thanks a lot to everyone for your time and effort. I am clearer on a few things now, and that puts me much further down the track than I was when I first posted my query. Appreciated.
 
RawDepth said:
Don't panic yet...

You may be able to still use what you have with a simple fix. I believe you can convert a stereo file to mono and/or a mono file to stereo. With a stereo file in the editor, try clicking on [edit], and then [convert sample type]. Depending on which version you have, you should be able to choose a stereo/mono option in there somewhere.

Good Luck


or you could just bounce the tracks you recorded in stereo down as mono...
 
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