brendandwyer
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Ok i'm going to ask it and i want truthful answers. Who has found themselves becoming so disenchanted with their recordings that they want to sell all their gear and quit forever.
JeffLancaster
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Hell, no!
Having trouble, something you wanna talk about?
Having trouble, something you wanna talk about?
metalhead28
Hates Raymond
I could not even begin to fathom being that sort of a person.
I hate quitters.
I hate quitters.
apl
Stand Up Comity
brendandwyer said:
I'll give ya $10 for all of it.
OK, fine. $20.
brendandwyer
New member
JeffLancaster said:Hell, no!
haha, no! I'm posing a question for the sake of asking it. Sometimes, people who are artistically driven feel disenchanted with their art. It's a valid question!
And just because i ask the question doesn't mean that i'm exposing my answer to the poll.
Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
It's about the only therapy I get. I couldn't quit if I wanted to.
RezN8
Blick-um, blick-um...
I tried to "kick the habit" about 2 years ago. I was planning to sell everything except my acoustic and a maybe a djembe. That's all I really needed to survive.
In many cultures, gifted artists and natural-born talent are held in the highest esteem. That's not the case where I live now. Music has always been a HUGE part of my life, but I was constantly surrounded by people who placed no real value in it whatsoever, and it was starting to rub off on me.
But instead of giving up, I ended up pouring twice as much into it, not to mention every last dime I had. Regardless of who places value on it or not, or how frustrating it is trying to record and release CD, etc., that's just who I am -- and a big part of me is lost without it.
In many cultures, gifted artists and natural-born talent are held in the highest esteem. That's not the case where I live now. Music has always been a HUGE part of my life, but I was constantly surrounded by people who placed no real value in it whatsoever, and it was starting to rub off on me.
But instead of giving up, I ended up pouring twice as much into it, not to mention every last dime I had. Regardless of who places value on it or not, or how frustrating it is trying to record and release CD, etc., that's just who I am -- and a big part of me is lost without it.
Zaphod B
Raccoons-Be-Gone, Inc.
To me, the whole point of having a home recording setup is to have a creative outlet that allows me to explore and expand my musicality in a zero-stress environment at times of my own choosing.
Any disappointment I get from the performance aspect of my recordings just means I need to keep doing it until I am satisfied. And so I improve.
Any disappointment from the technical aspect just reminds me of how much I have to learn about recording and mixing, and the learning is fun. And so I improve.
And when things sound good, so much the better. Damn, it's fun.
Any disappointment I get from the performance aspect of my recordings just means I need to keep doing it until I am satisfied. And so I improve.
Any disappointment from the technical aspect just reminds me of how much I have to learn about recording and mixing, and the learning is fun. And so I improve.
And when things sound good, so much the better. Damn, it's fun.
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chris-from-ky
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I agree. Too bad you can't get insurance to pay for your gear though.Track Rat said:
Life is Pain. Music is Morphine
brendandwyer
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Morphine is addictive and can cause respiratory failure in large quantities.
Interesting metaphore
**analogy was what i meant**
Interesting metaphore
**analogy was what i meant**
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Robert D
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This is the picture:
Me in a straight jacket, in a padded cell. White coat wearing doctors are reviewing my chart on thier clipboards, discussing my case. Used a 1/2'' cordless drill to "get songs out of my head" the chart reads. "If only he'd had another way", they all nod.
Me in a straight jacket, in a padded cell. White coat wearing doctors are reviewing my chart on thier clipboards, discussing my case. Used a 1/2'' cordless drill to "get songs out of my head" the chart reads. "If only he'd had another way", they all nod.
demensia
www.lukemacneil.com
Yeah, Alot of the time I think about selling all my gear and quitting recording.. and just working on my songwriting and performance.. and paying professionals to do the recording...
But then, I see something I want to buy.
So I buy it, and then I want to be a recording engineer again for a week.
But then, I see something I want to buy.
So I buy it, and then I want to be a recording engineer again for a week.
FALKEN
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dude like every other month. never seriously actually considered it though.
If someone had told me before I got into it that it is this much like playing golf I would have never started.
If someone had told me before I got into it that it is this much like playing golf I would have never started.
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
Ah, but that's a different question than the poll question.brendandwyer said:
Have I ever wanted to simplify my life by getting rid of all this excess baggage I call a project studio, including all the silly computers and phones and etc.? Yes. More than once.
Have I ever wanted to quit because I have become disenchanted with my abilities to create using these things? No. Never.
G.
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chadsxe
New member
Hell no.....I only want to buy gear.....
up-fiddler
Taming the World--for now
No! Never!!
Enough of that talk! Set up the mics and get back to work!
Enough of that talk! Set up the mics and get back to work!
brendandwyer
New member
I should have also asked who considers themselves "artists" and who consider themselves "engineers" Because i think it would effect the poll results. I'll guess that artists would be more prone to becoming disenchanted with their art, while i would guess engineers are more business like and grind it out because it's sort of their job and all. Just a guess of course
LeeRosario
New member
In the beggining, yes. But after I got used to the lifestyle and really fell in love with the politics, that's a thing of the past.
It's a job, not summer obsession.
What you're talking about happens in any form of art really. I think the better we become at pacing ourselves and lifting some weight off our chests, the more bareable it becomes to do this line of work.
It's kind of like a marrage. You have that infatuation stage where everything looks all glamorish, even a set of NS-10s would be enough to make you wet your pants, but eventually you move on from it. Occasionally I'll laugh like a little girl scout when I see a new console to play with. So the job has it's perks.
The legendary Mario Bauza, father of mamba, called it quits at some point in his carreer. And hey, for good reason, the pressure is always on in this industry.
Think about it, you're not only carrying the load of a personal life and a work life, but now a public life and possibly even a globally recognized public life.
On a side note, Mario did eventually make music again. Thank god.
It's a job, not summer obsession.
What you're talking about happens in any form of art really. I think the better we become at pacing ourselves and lifting some weight off our chests, the more bareable it becomes to do this line of work.
It's kind of like a marrage. You have that infatuation stage where everything looks all glamorish, even a set of NS-10s would be enough to make you wet your pants, but eventually you move on from it. Occasionally I'll laugh like a little girl scout when I see a new console to play with. So the job has it's perks.
The legendary Mario Bauza, father of mamba, called it quits at some point in his carreer. And hey, for good reason, the pressure is always on in this industry.
Think about it, you're not only carrying the load of a personal life and a work life, but now a public life and possibly even a globally recognized public life.
On a side note, Mario did eventually make music again. Thank god.
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cpl_crud
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Um, yeah, a few times...
When i'm eating rice and rice alone for a week 'cause there no work, and I gaze over my gear, realising there's at least a years food there...
When I spend a week prepping a (live) show, only to have someone like Jame Brown's manager rock up, move everything around, and then get blasted for teh four hours of soundcheck (oh, the joys of monitor man!)
When I get in a fight with the tech manager over the rights of my crew, and hence decide to throw the whole lot away....
Then I jsut go to sleep for an hour or two. Amazing what a bit of sleep will do to your clarity. If i gave up and sold my gear it would be like losing the past few years- each bit of kit has a story- how I paid for it, where it was used, how some idiot dropped it off a stand and into a steinway... yeah, it happens...
So I think I'll end up like Robert D- in a padded cell with a drill hole in my head... then someone else can sell my gear to pay for the medicines i'll need...
When i'm eating rice and rice alone for a week 'cause there no work, and I gaze over my gear, realising there's at least a years food there...
When I spend a week prepping a (live) show, only to have someone like Jame Brown's manager rock up, move everything around, and then get blasted for teh four hours of soundcheck (oh, the joys of monitor man!)
When I get in a fight with the tech manager over the rights of my crew, and hence decide to throw the whole lot away....
Then I jsut go to sleep for an hour or two. Amazing what a bit of sleep will do to your clarity. If i gave up and sold my gear it would be like losing the past few years- each bit of kit has a story- how I paid for it, where it was used, how some idiot dropped it off a stand and into a steinway... yeah, it happens...
So I think I'll end up like Robert D- in a padded cell with a drill hole in my head... then someone else can sell my gear to pay for the medicines i'll need...
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
While I understand where you're trying to go with that point, I do have to raise a bit of a flag.brendandwyer said:
I believe and understand you're trying to seperate the musicians who record themselves from the engineers who record the musicians, and that's a valid distinction. You're right.
However, there are many of us on the "engineer" side who consider ourselves "artists" right on the same level as the people on the other side of the wires. This is not just a job for which we're professionals who grind it out every day; if it were we'd spring to another more lucritive field almost immediately. We stay for the music and for the creative aspects.
Not to mention that it's very rare to find an audio engineer who does not at least dabble in playing an instrument or do so part-time. Often times the only difference between a musician who records and an engineer who plays is a matter of degree. Is a person who is 70% engineer and 30% performer all that different from a 30% engineer and 70% performer? Are they any less artistically-bent? Are their motovations all that different?
Yes there are gear sluts who believe that the one who dies with the most toys wins. And there are some who are in this because they love sitting behind a big console with blinking lights and more knobs than a Vegas chorus line and feel like Mr. Sulu on the bridge of the Enterprise. There are those that collect microphones and plug-ins like others collect baseball cards or police patches, who's penis size is measured by the number of input tracks on their mixer. None of that has anything to do with audio engineering.
The number of microphones or compressors or channel strips is not what defines an engineer, it's the desire and drive they have to use what tools they have to create beautiful sounds that make them feel good and that they can share with others so they can feel good too.
Looked at that way, we are no different than the musician. While the musician may use their voice, a piano and a guitar to express their art and the engineer may use a recorder, an editor and a few plugs to do the same, the goals are identical; only the tools different.
G.
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