Pre's: Sytek MPX-4A or Mackie 800r

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both about 900 bucks....

sytek has 4 channels

mackie has 8 channels...


the sound difference worth the sacrifice of 4 channels???
 
We shouldn't even be having this discussion.

Because Sytek woops ass over anything Mackie-related. Any day of the week.
 
I usually don't get involved in these discussions of which three-dollar pre-amp is better. But this isn't one of those, Sytek wins, hands down.
 
I agree that the Sytek is a better preamp. The real question though is how bad do you need those other 4 channels? And do you have the necessary converters to use them? I have to admit that the new Mackie preamps are much better than their old ones, but still no Sytek. Mike Stoica makes excellent products at a very fair price point, and you still get some personal service. A couple of years ago I looked into buying a new Neotek console, and even new his prices are pretty fair considering the quality of his work, and the flexibility of his consoles.
 
...what do you mean by "And do you have the necessary converters to use them(the other 4 channels the mackie offers)"
 
i think he means do you have at least 4 channels of AD conversion...assuming you're recording to a computer. the mackie has AD built in. the sytek doesn't.

but i would definetely go for the syteks. i've been saving up my couch change for some. i'm like $50 there.
 
sytek is the more "renowned" preamp. it has that cool "boutique" factor that the mackie never will. that being said, i think it would be interesting to hear the two side by side in a blind test, so some sort of objectivity could be attained about the matter. i'm not wild about the OLD mackies, which i was happy to replace. but, that said, i think i made some damn fine recordings with them. if you need the 4 extra channels, the mackie may be the more suitable preamp. either way, with each channel of preamp running between $112.50 and $225, i don't think you can do much better either way.
 
get the sytek for the dynamic range. get the mackie as an anchor if you ever go sailing.
 
if the Sytek doesnt have the AD Converters built in, how much will cost that to (estimate) to buy....and are there differently quality AD converters
 
What are you recording to? Chances are you already have all the converters that you need. Their quality, though, is an entirely different issue altogether.
 
i have an digi 002...8 inputs., 4 of which have the pres on them....does each input have an AD converter? and how are the digi ones if they have one.
 
The Digi 002 has its own AD converters for the four mic preamps, as well as for the line inputs (inputs 5-8). You could feed the Sytek's four line outputs into these line inputs, giving you a total of 8 preamps (the four built in, and the four Sytek). On the other hand, the Mackie has its own AD converter, which it sends via ADAT optical, which carries 8 channels of audio over an optical cable. The Digi 002 has an ADAT optical input to accept the Mackie's ADAT output. In this case, you would have 12 channels of preamps (the four built in, and the eight on the Mackie).

What your decision comes down to is how many channels you need vs the quality of the channels you need. If you're doing something like recording live drums, you probably need more channels, and the Mackie would probably be a better choice, even though its preamps probably aren't as good as the Sytek's. On the other hand, if you're recording things that don't need more than four simultaneous channels, say acoustic guitars, or rap vocals, the Sytek might be the better choice, because the need for less channels means that you can spend more per channel. Keep in mind, though, that with either choice, you can always add the other one at a later date. The Digi 002 can do up to 18 simultaneous inputs, I believe (8 analog, 8 ADAT, and 2 SPDIF).

One more thing you might want to consider is that, if I'm not mistaken, ADAT optical can only carry signals that are up to 48khz, so if you want to do 96khz you might be out of luck with the Mackie. I could be wrong about that, though, so hopefully someone will confirm it one way or the other.

Hope that helps!
 
ADAT can carry 8 channels at 48k. With S/MUX you can do 4 channels at 96k or 2 at 192k. This is only if both devices support the protocool. But this also limits the number of channels. I've never used S/MUX and i have no idea how it works, but it's possible to do higher bitrates, to some extent.
 
Prestomation is correct. Looking at the Mackie unit, it can do 96khz, but only 4 channels. I retract my previous statement.
 
The sytek has a place in a professional environment, the mackie does not.
The sytek will be a classic someday, the mackie will just get old.

The sytek will hold its value better, so if you want to upgrade you could sell it in a few years for damn near what you bought it for. Try that with anything that says mackie on it.... not gonna happen...

The sytek is really a great 4 channel mic pre. I owned one for quite some time, and still use my partner's all the time. We both got the one with burr browns on every channel because I like the way they sound at the edge of clipping much better than with the other 5534's....

regardless: read the first three sentences again....
 
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