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chamelious
www.thesunexplodes.com
Erm, hendrix?? Awful.
ralpheo
Stuck in Neutral
Most Overrated GP
Steve Vai and Joe Satriani -- same guy, different hair. They've made their careers out of copping Jeff Beck.
And anybody who plays only in drop-D or low tuned stuff. John 5, etc...
Steve Vai and Joe Satriani -- same guy, different hair. They've made their careers out of copping Jeff Beck.
And anybody who plays only in drop-D or low tuned stuff. John 5, etc...
buckkillr8
David Gilmour's clone
No words have ever been spoken so true.
ralpheo
Stuck in Neutral
Most Overrated GP
Thanks, I knew someone would agree.
I just got done reading all of this thread and saw that it's 3 years old. Oh well.
That said, as a guitar player myself, Neil Young should never have touched an electric guitar... and his voice makes me cringe. Not a bad songwriter, he just gets on my nerves.
Carlos Santana and Eric Clapton: I've seen both of these guys several times. I agree that Phil Collins had a negative effect on EC, but the man can blister you with his playing. And the "Clapton is God" thing was during his tenure with The Bluesbreakers. He was interpreting what he heard from here and bringing it to a new audience. At the time, he was unique. Everything you've heard in rock and blues since then stems from him and his peers.
Carlos' best stuff was the 1st four albums. For those that think of him as noodling: His playing isn't specifically about the note or phrase. but about the feeling that he is trying to impart with it.
While most of his stuff is blues-based, he actually comes from a different background and mindset than other rock guitarists. He was also early on listening to John Coltrane.
Of course, all guitarists play a lot of the same licks and riffs over and over again. That's what created their style in the first place. Think about what David Lee Roth said about EVH the first time he left the group: "He's been playong the same solo for ten years". What kind of licks, let alone songs are you going to be playing in 40 years? If you are playing at all!
Thanks, I knew someone would agree.
I just got done reading all of this thread and saw that it's 3 years old. Oh well.
That said, as a guitar player myself, Neil Young should never have touched an electric guitar... and his voice makes me cringe. Not a bad songwriter, he just gets on my nerves.
Carlos Santana and Eric Clapton: I've seen both of these guys several times. I agree that Phil Collins had a negative effect on EC, but the man can blister you with his playing. And the "Clapton is God" thing was during his tenure with The Bluesbreakers. He was interpreting what he heard from here and bringing it to a new audience. At the time, he was unique. Everything you've heard in rock and blues since then stems from him and his peers.
Carlos' best stuff was the 1st four albums. For those that think of him as noodling: His playing isn't specifically about the note or phrase. but about the feeling that he is trying to impart with it.
While most of his stuff is blues-based, he actually comes from a different background and mindset than other rock guitarists. He was also early on listening to John Coltrane.
Of course, all guitarists play a lot of the same licks and riffs over and over again. That's what created their style in the first place. Think about what David Lee Roth said about EVH the first time he left the group: "He's been playong the same solo for ten years". What kind of licks, let alone songs are you going to be playing in 40 years? If you are playing at all!
mshilarious
Banned
All guitarists are overrated and suck except for me and people I think are cool 
CMunch
Well-known member
All guitarists are overrated and suck except for me and people I think are cool
Yea but you are a Trivium fan so.........
mshilarious
Banned
OK, here is a list for reference, all other guitarists mostly likely suck:
Cool guitarists:
Dick Dale
Andy Summers
Brian May
Vernon Reid
Danny Cedrone
Wah-Wah Watson
That is all.
Cool guitarists:
Dick Dale
Andy Summers
Brian May
Vernon Reid
Danny Cedrone
Wah-Wah Watson
That is all.
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dintymoore
Guest
I said Eric Clapton - and I do love his playing and his work. A lot.
But time after time he is treated like a god and no one mentions Jeff Beck or George Harrison.
George was, to me, an extremely influential guitar player. He brought in the whole sitar thing, was playing through a Leslie, and all of that had a big effect on people.
When I hear Christopher Cross' "Sailing" intro, or "Time After Time" by Cyndi Lauper, I think of George... he was very, very influential and because he was overshadowed by the others he seems to have been greatly overlooked.
But time after time he is treated like a god and no one mentions Jeff Beck or George Harrison.
George was, to me, an extremely influential guitar player. He brought in the whole sitar thing, was playing through a Leslie, and all of that had a big effect on people.
When I hear Christopher Cross' "Sailing" intro, or "Time After Time" by Cyndi Lauper, I think of George... he was very, very influential and because he was overshadowed by the others he seems to have been greatly overlooked.
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CalebMcC
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I think the two most accurate ones on here are Santana and The Edge. They both really arent that good at all and get treated like Gods. I never really thought Joe Perry was that good either. Dont get me wrong, Aerosmith does some cool stuff, but he gets more crdit than he deserves I think. I would say Hetfield too. He just did rythym and most of it I dont think is that good. Also Angus Young. Riffs are easy and though he has a siezure while playing, none of his music is that good, and his "badass" slam bangy rock and roll tone is annoying as hell after 3 songs. I would agree that many of the shredders on here dont have a lot of talent in song writing and use whinning high gain distortions that get irritating. Even though i love shred, alot of the people who play it arent particularly good at writing something good or emotion provoking. Contrary, a lot of great songwriters like Clapton dont actually play that well. Just becuase you dont have a mastery of both, does that mean you dont deserve any recognition as a great guitarist? Having said that, The Edge and Santana have neither, and also, having said that, I cannot believe that Joe Satriani is even being mentioned. He epitomizes the combination of incredible speed, talent and execution with songwriting that I for one think is great to listen to.
Mike_J
New member
Tough here for me-Slash or Clapton??
I went with Slash coz he likes like an ape but doesn't play as well as one.
Clapton's just a dull player who hasn't played a decent note since the Beano Bluesbreaker's album. A good songwriter? Tears In Heaven? Makes me gag.
I went with Slash coz he likes like an ape but doesn't play as well as one.
Clapton's just a dull player who hasn't played a decent note since the Beano Bluesbreaker's album. A good songwriter? Tears In Heaven? Makes me gag.
Goldilox
New member
Well since this thread has already been dug up... I would say Clapton's recent stuff doesn't do a lot for me but everything he did up to Derek and the Dominoes is pretty good. If he chooses to write bland love songs these days instead of playing awesome solos that's kind of his call.
Surprised to see Jimmie Vaughan getting it in the neck here... I'm no fan but I've always found his guitar playing quite tasteful. It's the endless blues-rock shuffles he plays I dislike. His stuff with the T-birds was flasher than his recent stuff and there's bits on Family Style where him and SRV do passable imitations of each other so I guess he can do the widdly stuff but mostly chooses not to, and all credit for that.
Got to agree Santana doesn't do a lot for me. Very long songs where not much happens.
Not sure I can really think of any guitarists who are over-rated that haven't been mentioned already, there's plenty of have a go heroes in my local music scene who might have been better off remaining legends in their own bedrooms but I think naming them here might be a bit mean
Surprised to see Jimmie Vaughan getting it in the neck here... I'm no fan but I've always found his guitar playing quite tasteful. It's the endless blues-rock shuffles he plays I dislike. His stuff with the T-birds was flasher than his recent stuff and there's bits on Family Style where him and SRV do passable imitations of each other so I guess he can do the widdly stuff but mostly chooses not to, and all credit for that.
Got to agree Santana doesn't do a lot for me. Very long songs where not much happens.
Not sure I can really think of any guitarists who are over-rated that haven't been mentioned already, there's plenty of have a go heroes in my local music scene who might have been better off remaining legends in their own bedrooms but I think naming them here might be a bit mean
darrin_h2000
Banned
I thought it funny that the same people praising BB King are Dissing Carlos Santana...both are non players who only play a penatonic...but everything that Ive heard from them sounds very musical and moves my mood.
Ive had the chance to hang with Micheal Angelo Baito...and we could have talked technique all day...fast shreader...like having Jimmy Page in the studio...but there is no soul in what he does on his records.
So there is a good reason Santana and King are where they are...and Baito is a musicians muscian...because of the music.
Ive had the chance to hang with Micheal Angelo Baito...and we could have talked technique all day...fast shreader...like having Jimmy Page in the studio...but there is no soul in what he does on his records.
So there is a good reason Santana and King are where they are...and Baito is a musicians muscian...because of the music.
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357mag
New member
Excuse me but I find Yngwie fabulous. He has unsurpassed technical skills to back up his neo-classical songwriting. He only has one album that sucks. All his other works are damn good. He even wrote orchestral parts for the orchestra he recorded with. Nobody else even comes close to that. His knowledge of music theory is way beyond what most possess. And you can clearly hear his vast knowledge of music in his chord progressions and modulations.
Malmsteen rules...
Mike_J
New member
Hahahaha. Too funny!!
darrin_h2000
Banned
Vanessa Carlton also wrote parts for the orchestra she recorded with...not bad for a 19 yo girl.
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357mag
New member
Yngwie rules...
kcearl
I see deaf people
hendrix or the guy from spandau ballet
JRSIV
JRSIV Music Ltd.
I love Black Magic Woman as much as the next guy but during his comeback and after the credit Carlos Santana gets is a bit overdone...
And Michael Angelo Batio is just laughable. The dude gets all this press in Guitar World and I just don't get it. I saw him at a guitar clinic here in Vegas and he was so manic and spazzed out he made Robin Williams look calm. He kept doing this two handed tapping thing while screaming "Over, under! Over, under!" and it sounded like an angry wasp caught in my ear. Not cool...
And Michael Angelo Batio is just laughable. The dude gets all this press in Guitar World and I just don't get it. I saw him at a guitar clinic here in Vegas and he was so manic and spazzed out he made Robin Williams look calm. He kept doing this two handed tapping thing while screaming "Over, under! Over, under!" and it sounded like an angry wasp caught in my ear. Not cool...
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dintymoore
Guest
I so agree.
I saw this interview of Clive Davis and he said he had a meeting with Carlos right before that comeback album, and he asked him what he wanted. Carlos said something to the effect of "well, my kids are in college..." and I though that summed it up. It was about money.
I was bummed that he didn't do any of the drum heavy jams we liked him for, like "Soul Sacrifice".
mshilarious
Banned
Oh please. Stewart Copeland has been earning his keep for years doing scoring for films, and he's a drumber!
Malmsteen lifts most of his chord progressions straight out of the Well-Tempered Clavier--not that I blame him for that, but you can't quite credit them to him either . . .