Please look at my bottom....

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I won't comment on your bottom end ... not that there is anything wrong with that. :D

Seriously, it sounds good on a cheap computer and headphones but that is not too much help.

I do want say the production is great. I really love listening to your stuff on headphones as you create a great soundscape.

Plus, I really liked this song. Vocals were cool too.
 
SLuiCe said:
chrisharris- I know this sort of thing must be a chore for you to get through, what with all the weird changes.
Are you high? lmao - If it were a chore, you wouldn't see my name in here. Now, a "chore" would be sitting through a six minute tune that never changes...you know, like my tunes, lol. Ease up, partner...you're damned good.
 
I love this song! Your bottom sounds great to me. The harmonies rock on this song.... Be that a 12 string?

Are you a fan of Faith No More or Mr. Bungle?
 
Hey, did you fix some vocals as well? It sounds great, no cringes at all this time! (but perhaps I'm confused with another song) :D

The bass: a real one! Hooray! I would love to hear a more distinctive sound, though. It could be the bass but it gets lost in the louder parts. Perhaps a well-chosen compressor and eq on the mids can help you to let it jump out a little (or make 'room' for it but cutting some of the mids in the guitars/vocals)

But I can live with this mix as it is....like flat-9 said in my thread a few days ago: how perfect do you want it to be? ;)
 
I can only listen on small headphones. But comparing the low end of this with other good songs, it seems to be working fine. It seemed nice and thick without being overly so. Not muddy at all. The articulation on the bass tone seemed appropriate for this song. In other songs you may want a tone with a more defined attack. Maybe experiment.

I noticed a little pop at :56. Something weird at 2:44. A little pitchiness at 2:49? (that may be cut and pasted as I seem to recall it elsewhere)?

I listened to this back-to-back with Stupid Song. Wow, my mix sounds so small and thin compared to this.

My thoughts. Trip.
 
skids- Happy you dug the tune!

scottboyher- ya, I love just about anything Patton does...Fantamos...
no 12 strings here....it's an alternate tuning though, performed twice in stereo... Maybe that's what you're hearing. Thanks for listening!

Pedullist-
Hey, did you fix some vocals as well? It sounds great, no cringes at all this time!

No. Not at all. Just added some guitars and EQ'd some things.

The bass: a real one!
No again. It's a played on a keyboard, hence the complete lack of definition.

Thanks for listening...

TripleM- Loved your new song man.
The articulation on the bass tone seemed appropriate for this song. In other songs you may want a tone with a more defined attack. Maybe experiment.
See response to Pedullist...
I noticed a little pop at :56.
yep, I was gonna re-track that but decided to wait until I run the comb through the vocals.
Something weird at 2:44.
Like what? I didn't find anything.
A little pitchiness at 2:49
Again, I didn't find anything. You probably just have much better pitch than me. I lose it sometimes when I belt vocals out, which is most of the time. But it's pretty much expected of me now. Except from "Perfect Pitch" Pedullist, who apparently cringes. :)
 
I'm seriously questioning my ears this time....what the hell is happening to me? Hey, if you want a real bass....you know where to find me, right? :)

Except from "Perfect Pitch" Pedullist, who apparently cringes

But not this time, mind you! It's pitch perfect, this song!
 
You know, something hit me today. And it's a great thing about this board - you get people listening in so many different environments, and on so many different sound systems, you can catch so many different things. I think I notice pops because I listen on these little crappy little headphones and they jump out more.

But what hit me was that I never prescreen my mixes on the crappy headphones I do my reviews of other people's mixes on.

We spend so much time working on the sound on a "good" sound system. But what do our mixes sound like on a real crappy system? I'm starting to think you can get just as good information from that as you can on a good home stereo. Not that it's a subsititute - it's just another good reference point.

I'll now return you to the thread I so rudely hijacked. Sorry SLuiCe.
 
Trip, I TOTALLY agree! I was just saying a few days ago in another thread that I need to take mixes that sound decent to me on monitors and listen to them on headphones. While I would never trust cans for levels or frequencies (EQ), they are IDEAL for spotting pops, room noises, etc, out of tune notes... :)

And you're more than welcome to hijack my thread with that sort of discussion. ;) If it leads to learning, I'm into it...
 
I always track with 'phones. Have to. I only have one room to work with. They work great for setting mics, catching phase issues, etc. Of course I double check things on my monitors too. 'Phones are extremely useful for catching those subtle things that you might miss on speakers. I usually use 'em for editing too. Never use 'phones for panning though.

Everybody should have a pair of small cheapie single-drivers as a reference. Auratones are almost as common in pro studios as NS10's, and for the same reason. They're not pleasant to listen to, but reveal problems in the midrange that often go unnoticed on bigger, multi-driver systems.

You have to know your speakers too. I know my big Altecs (12" 3-ways) pretty well after 10+ years. I'm just getting to the point where I know my JBL's (8' 2-ways) so-so, and I've had them for 2.

Still trying to get this room dialed in though.:eek:
 
I've been recording for about 18 months and I've had my Studiophiles even less than that. Hence all the posts about bass! This is very very helpful stuff. Good discussion...

And ya, definitely DO NOT pan with headphones. If anyone's got a TOP 10 Stupidest Recording Ideas list going, go ahead and add that one.
 
I don't really have the monitors to tell much about the bass, it lacked a bit of punch on my NEW :) "cheap but better than headphones" Edirol m-10s.

The song sounded great. If I'm remembering the last time I heard this, I think the mid range is more defined on this version.

Your stuff really grows on ya. I've spent the last couple of weeks with "Our fear of heights my dear...iye yie yie yah yahhhaahhh..." playing all the time in my head.

Good stuff
 
SLuiCe said:


And you're more than welcome to hijack my thread with that sort of discussion. ;) If it leads to learning, I'm into it...
I doubt anybody'll learn anything from this, but I'll throw in my complete agreement with the cheapie listen advice. I've been recording about 6 months longer than Sluice, soooooo, I'm new, lol. Anyway, here's what I've found:

1. Decent monitors - have helped me a lot...I don't think it's for the reasons that monitors are SUPPOSED to help you, though. It's just that since the moment I got them, I started listening to a lot of commercial stuff on them for reference, and I think it forced me to get used to them really fast. They don't respond below 20Hz, so they're not good for picking out the rumble.

2. Headphones - are great for catching hiss and pops. They're also helpful to me because volume is not an obstacle, lol, so they are slightly more helpful for spotting the subsonic issues. They suck for catching pitch problems...and for panning. At high volume, I think they're better at picking up sibilance, because it's physically painful, lol...my monitors tend to soften those brain darts too much. Yeah, I still have ass-loads of sibilance, but at least I know it, lol.

3. My $35 Jambox - Has been sitting on top of my computer for the past 4 or 5 mixes. I've routed one of the outputs of my soundcard to this thing (not stereo), so it gives a mono send to exactly two crappy speakers. Unbelievably, it's better at catching low mid problems than anything else I have, lol. Basically, if my vocal is not cutting through on THAT thing, then the mix is too muddy. And, the obvious bonus, the mono send picks up phase issues, although I didn't know what those were until very recently, lol. :D

4. My car - Always the last test, and obviously, I can't mix with it, lol. I imagine a universe where I have a sound treated room with speakers that match the space as well as those in my car...this would eliminate that maddening frustration that happens when I pop the CD in the car for the first time. AAAARRRGGGHHHHH...IT SOUNDS LIKE SHIT!!!! The car is where I pick up my subsonic problems.

And while it should have been obvious to me earlier, it was Sluice's comment in one of my threads awhile back about listening on as many different systems as possible that got me started on the whole jambox/headphones/monitors thing. The only drawback is that the source for all 3 is still the same (my computer), so the car is still a necessity... I think people (at least, those of us recording on computers) forget sometimes that their computer has it's own EQ, which totally varies from machine to machine...and dialing THAT in is every bit as important as getting used to monitors. My dumb ass was reminded of this recently when I fried a computer that I've been recording on for a long time...I had the EQ on that computer set to playback LESS bass, b/c I know that I tend to not have enough low end in my mixes, so it forces me to ...blah blah blah...

I'm done.
 
Hey Tom
.....are you in the middle of a re-mix or something? I cant download.........:confused: :(..........


.........oh, New tweaks on Perry......... Im off to check that out:)
 
:( ........must be a nowhere thingy...... I cant get that one either.









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Dang!I was looking foward to seeing a picture of your bottom!
I'll have to listen later.:D
 
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