Please comment my homestudio design

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Hi everyone:
I will start making my home in july and of course it will have a homestudio.
Here is the studio layout. I made it in paint so the actual size may differ from the measures.

I want to be able to record a live 4 piece band (drums, bass 2 guitars)
I know it is a little to small but please tell me you gurus if there is something i must change without changing the total size of it.....
Thanks and hope you can help me with this....
 

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Your control room is pretty small. Again today, I'll refer to Ethan's article:

http://www.realtraps.com/art_studio.htm

But if you're determined to have a control room, symmetry is your friend:

I would have a sliding glass door into the control room (or two of them, for isolation) instead of a window, and I'd flush mount the monitors in the triangles I made, along with adding bass traps. Somebody here did that and posted really nice construction photos. Was it Michael Jones? I forget.
 
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Hello jbascur and welcome to the board. Ok, I have a suggestion. First, MY STANDARD DISCLAIMER:

DISCLAIMER: I, Rick Fitzpatrick, under no circumstances, or in no way, shape or form, claim to be any sort of STUDIO CONSTRUCTION OR ACOUSTICS expert, know it all, Harry Potter or other wizard, specialist, or professional, nor am I experienced in any physical construction of real studios, practice rooms, control rooms, home theaters, vocal booths, or other construction requiring extreme sound transmission loss or special acoustical treatment. NONE. PERIOD. ZERO. ZILCH. I also have NO CREDENTIALS, DEGREE, DIPLOMA, CERTIFICATE, BADGE, ARM PATCH, or even a damn reputation for knowing what I am talking about. ARE WE CLEAR? :D Good. Then I will give you my .02, and thats it. OK? OK.:D


IF, your live room is not going to be used day in day out for recording bands, I would make the control room the priority as far as monitoring is concerned., Here is what I would do. The distance from the front control room wall is 1.75 meters. This is only 5.8 feet. TOO SHORT. By the time you put a console, and chair in there you will have less than 24 inchs from your ears to the back wall. Terrible as comb filtering from reflections off the back wall will alter your perception of what you are hearing in the monitors. I would increase this dimension to at LEAST 12 feet if not more. Here is why.
A microphone in the studio pics up not only the direct sound from the source, and a short time later, reflections from the ceiling, floor, and walls arrive at the mic. This TIME delay creates what is known as COMB FILTERING. ALL recordings are stamped to some degree with this sonic character of the mic placement. In order for the engineer to HEAR these reflections, his monitoring position in the control room must be in a REFLECTION FREE ZONE. The reason is simple. If you are not in a RFZ, your evaluation of the sound in the studio will NOT be correct. AND, reflections off the front and side walls, and ceilings in the control room will also create COMB FILTERING. Hence the use of absorbers at the front and side or splayed walls.

In order to create a RFZ, you need some things. First, the side walls and ceiling must have absorption placed in such a way as to absorb early reflections, OR be splayed in such a way, that direct the reflections toward the rear wall, which is far enough back to create what is known as an INITIAL TIME DELAY GAP.(TDG)
This TDG, is what allows you to HEAR the reflections that the microphone is picking up in the studio FIRST. Otherwise, among other things, the reflections in the control room will mask these studio reflections, thereby altering your perception of what is really being recorded. This TDG, SHOULD be at least 20 milliseconds longer than that of the studio, as the brain will integrate sounds that arrive within 20ms of each other. This translates into specific minimum distance. Since sound travels at appox 1130 feet per second, or about 1 ft per millisecond, to create a minimum gap of 20ms, the direct sound must travel about 20 feet round trip, from your ears- to the rear wall- and back to your ears. Given that sound decays 6db for every doubling of distance, by the time it reflects off the rear wall(not accounting for absorption) and returns, it has also decayed at least 6db.(10ft to rear wall, 10 ft return) Which further allows distinction between direct sound from the monitors, and reflections. Furthermore, this reflection off the rearwall, SHOULD be of a broadband diffusive quality, so as not to absorb energy from the modal response of the room, as modal decay varies.(SEE DISCLAIMER) However, there are some who suggest that small room diffuse fields do not exist. So, take it with a grain of salt. Most designers today regard diffusers as a device to use in LARGE ROOMS, and the use of SLAT ABSORBERS works much better in small control room rear walls. I'll leave the decision to the owners:D
But for most small home studio owners, control rooms with a TDG distance is a luxury. Most must make do with a much shorter distance to the rear wall. In that case, it is preferable to line the rear wall and corners with DEEP absorbers, such as 4" or 6" OWENS CORNING 703 rigid fiberglass panels, mounted at least 2" off the wall. And this is just the tip of the design iceberg. Also to take in consideration is modal NULLS. I won't pretend to be a novice,(disclaimer) let alone an expert on this stuff. You've alread been given a link to an experts website, so I'll leave that to them. It is of much importance that you understand that your monitoring success is at stake right from the getgo as far as design is concerned though. If it were me, I would use some of the live room square footage to enlarge the control room, although, prioritizing this is your domain. Good luck. Oh, btw, since this is in the planning stage, make your CEILINGS as HIGH as you can afford.
fitZ :)
 
thanks

Thank you for your valuable and quick answers.
Yes I know is too small but it cant be larger because it is a part of my future house and I must save the sqare meters to bedrooms, toilets, etc....

Anyway i made a more accurate design swowing some detail of layout specially in the control room. I red an article from real traps and and know about the 38% rule so I think i'll put the monitors (M-auido BX8 really big ones) in the other way of the room, so I'll must turn my head to the right in order to look the musicians...
Please tell methis arrange is better. Obviusly im planning to put some absorvers specially in the control room sides and bottom....
 

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accurate design

Hey you all!!!!
Thank you very much.
I received from the arquitect the real measures of the studio so i made it again (on paint software)
I think this instrument layout is better....
What do you think?
 

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I was going to suggest moving the drumkit out of the corner, but I see you've already done that. Also, moving the bass amp out of the corner for the same reason - low frequencies tend to hover in corners so why aggrevate the situation by putting the bass amp right where it hurts.

You have a small space, which is fine, but recording four musicians at once might be uncomfortable for them over a longer period of time. A blast or two through a song might not be that bad, however extended playtime in that space might feel a bit cramped.

Assuming you have a multi-track recorder and a small mixer... here is what I would do, and have done many times in such spaces.

Record the entire band, together, not worrying too much about EQ and micing techniques. Just record them together, mixing it down to mono, to one track.

Then, kick all the musicians out but the drummer, and record the drumkit by itself, using a pair of mics, down to stereo, feeding the initial mono track to the headphones of the drummer.

Then record the bass guitarist the same way, kick the drummer out, shove the kit against the wall, and feed the bassist the mono recording dead center, and the stereo drum recording you just made, at a lower volume, and record the bass mono.

So at this point you have used four tracks...

track 1 - mono "entire band" recording
track 2 - drumkit left
track 3 - drumkit right
track 4 - bass

Now you record the rhythm guitarist, same way, feeding the above into the headphones, recording his/her performance onto track 5.

Then record the second guitarist, also rhythm, onto track six, and repeat to record solos on track six.

Now comes the fun part, mute track 1, and playback the other tracks. and adjust eq and panning to your satisfaction. Once you've attained a desirable mix, mix all that down to tracks 7/8, in stereo.

Review stereo mix, if satisfied, delete tracks 1-6 and feed tracks 7/8 into the headphones of the vocalist, and record vocalist on any of the tracks 1-6. Do as many takes as you like, on different channels, this way you can pick different attempts later, or the first verse on track one, the chorus on track 3, and second verse on track 4, or whatever to complete the song, taking the best of each vocal attempt.

Then mix down to stereo to a tape recorder, a CD player, your PC, whatever.

By doing this multi-tracking method, you will have practically no bleedover from the microphones, because of the close proximity of the artists together, in the small space.
 
So... here is the last version....

Thank you for everything:
I saw johnlsayers.com website and got some new Ideas about that.
Also I took some of our guru wisdom and I changed the window for a "window door" and changed the Bass area with the lead guitar's....
I talked with my arquitect and told her it must be as high as it can be and also gave her directions to floor building...
My studio will be in the second floor of the house over the dining room so it must isolate the floor very well. I saw some people put long sticks about 5cm tall, over the nude floor then a layer of floating floor and then the carpet...
Please tell me if this methodology will kill the sound enough....
Please take a look at the whole thing and if you have any comments I'll be pleased to receive them....

Let the music play!!!!!!
 

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