Piracy out of Control

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My personal opinion is to hell with software companies and any big greedy ass company for that matter.

From my experience, they'll promise the moon and stars in their advertisements but you won't find out the truth until you already dropped down your cash. How many times have you bought a piece of software that looked to be just what you need, only to find out that it's really shitty or incompatable? Do these companies try to alleviate your loss in any way? Hell no! Their minds are on the money. They should be refining some of the crap they try to pass off but instead they are adding more bells and whistles.

I see all big companies this way. They're all about selling the latest and greatest at big profits, wether the product is good or bad. Do you think this is moral? I don't. Ethical? Hell no. Think about it, are you being sold what you really want or what some corporate prick thinks you want? How many people would buy a car that would easily last a lifetime, is inexpensive and simple to repair, and isn't made out of a bunch of plastic? Why isn't such a car being made? What would be the profit in that? Why do any of you think that software companies are any different? Wheres the profits in refining software? It's like everything else in our current industries, use it till it's obolete and throw it away. Then go out and buy some more shiny turds.

Who here has a piece of software that could'nt be more stable? Who here has'nt had to jump through loops and spend hours upon hours to get a piece of software to work as it should. It's like, "Oh, by the way, you must be running this piece of hardware, make 20 or 30 changes to your system, remove that other software because ours has issues with theirs.......". And all of this comes after we have laid down our hard earned money, with no chance of a refund.

The bottom line is, in software, you don't know if you're getting what you pay for until you have payed for it. So, in my mind, you are a damn fool to buy before trying the full version of anything. Even then, you're buying what some asshole wants to sell, not what you really want.

If I hear another whiny asshole complaining about software piracy, I think I'm gonna fucking scream. "It's not moral", he says. Neither is selling me a piece of shit. Neither is filling up our landfills with a bunch of shiny packaging and crappy made broken down products. "You don't have the right", he says. If you don't like that I'm using something for free that you paid $1000 for, then don't spend $1000 in the first place. Maybe it's not piracy that's driving up software prices, maybe it's dumb ass's that are willing to pay $1000 for a dvd of coding.
 
Ahhh, the elitist, 'holier than thou' attitudes are so amsuing in here...

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fraserhutch said:
So the theme here is, if I can't afford it, it's OK to just take it. I'll remember that when you all have something on the market.

And where do you guys get the idea that these companies are that big? We're talking music applications here - the economies of scale just aren't there. These companies aren't MS, they aren't even Adobe or some such.
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Check your fact. Steinberg was recently bought by Yamaha. Don't try to tell me that ain't a big-ass company. Digidesign ain't doing bad either.

When I steal an apple, the former owner of that apple has both 1 less product to sell, and no income from that product. When I download illegal software, the owner still has the same power to sell his product. That is why it is called "soft"ware.
 
true that

Halion said:
Check your fact. Steinberg was recently bought by Yamaha. Don't try to tell me that ain't a big-ass company. Digidesign ain't doing bad either.

When I steal an apple, the former owner of that apple has both 1 less product to sell, and no income from that product. When I download illegal software, the owner still has the same power to sell his product. That is why it is called "soft"ware.
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i agree...very well put!! :D
 
That's BS, and just further rationalization.

So it's OK to steal from big companies, not small ones. And you are the arbiter of who it's OK to steal from?

It's still theft.

And FWIW, there are one or 2 large companies, but they are not the majority.
 
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fraserhutch said:
That's BS, and just further rationalization.

So it's OK to steal from big companies, not small ones. And you are the arbiter of who it's OK to steal from?

It's still theft.

And FWIW, there are one or 2 large companies, but they are not the majority.
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same as music downloads....if you never downloaded a song from the net then u can judge....if so its the same thing... :cool:
 
I'm not telling anyone what's right and what's wrong. No person can tell me what's right and what's wrong. It is a moral thing, that is just my view on things.

I do not know the full impact that software piracy has had on the world, but I do feel that "stealing" software from larger companies is not nearly as bad as stealing it from small-fries.
 
jINXBEATZ said:
same as music downloads....if you never downloaded a song from the net then u can judge....if so its the same thing... :cool:
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Sadly, you miss the point.

It's not whether I, or anyone else here pirates. It's the prevalent attitude.

Whether or not I pirate should have no bearing on whether YOU pirate. Or have you so little spine and backbone that you had no personal integrity?

The fact remains, it's piracy, and that's theft. Rationalize it however you want.

And for the record, I do not download songs. I buy what I listen to other than the radio.
 
another good point you brought up..............the radio is a damn joke. I rarely hear anything that I want to hear on the radio. It's like a big advertisement for music that sucks.
 
amra said:
Ahhh, the elitist, 'holier than thou' attitudes are so amsuing in here...

:D
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I guess if believeing that it is wrong to steal software makes me an elitist or makes me "holier than thou" ,than I shall gladly take the label. I just wish everyone would stop pretending that there is a valid reason or argument or excuse to steal software because there just plain isn't. Its too bad that they don't have the balls to stand up and say they did it, they know its not right, but made the decision to do it anyways instead of pretending that somehow it was OK to do it or because of their own circumstances (insert the poor me victim story here) that they were somehow entitled to it.
 
xstatic said:
I guess if believeing that it is wrong to steal software makes me an elitist or makes me "holier than thou" ,than I shall gladly take the label. I just wish everyone would stop pretending that there is a valid reason or argument or excuse to steal software because there just plain isn't. Its too bad that they don't have the balls to stand up and say they did it, they know its not right, but made the decision to do it anyways instead of pretending that somehow it was OK to do it or because of their own circumstances (insert the poor me victim story here) that they were somehow entitled to it.
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Thank you. That's exactly the point I have been trying to make.
 
TravisinFlorida said:
another good point you brought up..............the radio is a damn joke. I rarely hear anything that I want to hear on the radio. It's like a big advertisement for music that sucks.
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So?

And?
 
who is it stealing from...if you getting it from peer to peer. its someone giving it to you...you not physically going into there place of business and stealling it....its like peer to peer music. you can record your fav. song off radio when they play it...and some one records a song and your request that song thru peer to peer thats stealing?? c'mon same thing....
 
jINXBEATZ said:
who is it stealing from...if you getting it from peer to peer. its someone giving it to you...you not physically going into there place of business and stealling it....its like peer to peer music. you can record your fav. song off radio when they play it...and some one records a song and your request that song thru peer to peer thats stealing?? c'mon same thing....
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And that is the biggest load of crap I've yet seen posted on this forum.

So if I act as a fence and buy goods that I know are stolen, that makes it less a crime?

Geezuz, now I have heard it all.

And yes, recording a song played over the radio is piracy as well.
 
No It Isnt...thats Ludacris!! Recording Song Off Radio Is A Crime...c'mon. Software Is A Small Crime ..just Like Window Tint....its Illigal In Ca. To Have Any Tint On Front Door Windows But People Have It!!
 
I don't think it is "right". It is very much wrong. However, it is so damn easy, and it's "generally accepted". Maybe not by all of you, but by far the most people I talk to agree with me.

Why are there cd/dvd burners? To make backing up your stuff easier? Why are there mp3s? To make sharing your own made music on the internet easier? Fuck that. The western world as largely accepted it. I would not be surprised if lead programmers of producst like Windows, Photoshop and Cubase use illegal software themselves.
 
Halion said:
I don't think it is "right". It is very much wrong. However, it is so damn easy, and it's "generally accepted". Maybe not by all of you, but by far the most people I talk to agree with me.

Why are there cd/dvd burners? To make backing up your stuff easier? Why are there mp3s? To make sharing your own made music on the internet easier? Fuck that. The western world as largely accepted it. I would not be surprised if lead programmers of producst like Windows, Photoshop and Cubase use illegal software themselves.
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Once again, that's besides the point. It doesn't matter what some people do.

The western world has NOT largely accepted it. that's just rationalization again.

Anyways, I'm done. Do what you're gonna do, but don't pretend it's right.
 
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