Pico's studio

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Frederic-

Have you tried loading a modern recording into a wave editor?......square wave city man.

I got a project mastered at a professional studio here in Chicago and the guy wanted to normalize every mix to +2 dB. After listening to the finished product I had him redo it without the normalization. Its sad that this is what is going on, but it is.

Pico -

I think you are doing a decent job for your experience and equipment. If your customers are happy, thats all that really matters. Keep it up. I think the music is kind of interesting too, even though I generally am not that big of a hardcore fan. And by the way...I, for one, won't care if you tell Blue Bear to go to hell. It seems that every post I read of his is consists of him bashing someone, making hand-waving arguments, rattling off the same old one-liner 'axioms of recording' or blindly reiterating something someone else has said. But his post count sure is high. Wow. I think I know someone who needs to lose their ego....
 
BlueBearSound said:
"damn good job" compared to what???????????

Sorry friend.... I suggest losing the ego and concentrate on developing your recording skills a bit more................ "good job" I wouldn't be how I'd describe those clips....
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What ego? I do a good job compared to some local major studios here in town that Charge 20-50 dollars an hour.
 
ebeam said:
Frederic-

Have you tried loading a modern recording into a wave editor?......square wave city man.

I got a project mastered at a professional studio here in Chicago and the guy wanted to normalize every mix to +2 dB. After listening to the finished product I had him redo it without the normalization. Its sad that this is what is going on, but it is.

Pico -

I think you are doing a decent job for your experience and equipment. If your customers are happy, thats all that really matters. Keep it up. I think the music is kind of interesting too, even though I generally am not that big of a hardcore fan. And by the way...I, for one, won't care if you tell Blue Bear to go to hell. It seems that every post I read of his is consists of him bashing someone, making hand-waving arguments, rattling off the same old one-liner 'axioms of recording' or blindly reiterating something someone else has said. But his post count sure is high. Wow. I think I know someone who needs to lose their ego....
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Thanks alot man! I know there's alot of things that I need to learn and such. I will in time. That's all it takes, it's time!
 
frederic said:
Pico, I'm not going to argue with you... I'm thinking maybe somethings not right with your software, only because I have NEVER seen a commercial record, tape or CD clip. Individual tracks might have distortion, absolutely, but the entire recording should not be a distorted, clipped mess.

This is what brick-wall limiters and opto-isolated compressors are for, and why studios pay darn good money for such devices.

I'm sure this clip is not your cup of tea as far as genre goes, but its my example of "loud without clipping".

RIGHT CLICK ME

Its a piece of Paul Oakenfield tune I redid using Cakewalk Sonar XL driving various midi synths I have, mixed and compressed through the focusrite I mentioned earlier. Approximately a 5mb download.

See, loud as hell, no clipping.
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This is pretty good! I like it. Makes me want to break out some glowsticks and do some X. Ha jk! I like the mix though. Very clean! ;-) How long have you been recording?
 
ebeam said:
......rattling off the same old one-liner 'axioms of recording'...
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Maybe if more people started following some of the "basic axioms of recording" we wouldn't have this glut of crappy, half-ass recordings by wannabe engineers who aren't interesting in actually learning the craft.

(I'm generalizing - this is not directed at you, Pico)
 
frederic said:
See my point though about compression though? That clip is loud as hell, yet doesn't clip at all. The final mix in wav format (that was a small mp3) sits at a mere -.1db at the peak. On digital equipment, 0db is the clip point. At least the stuff I have.

I've been recording since 1983, semi professionally on and off since 1988 or so. Owned large professional studios as well as crappy, tiny home studios.
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1983 wow, the year I was born! So 21 years? That's amazing! I usually normalize my waves at 0 dB.

Do you have any other pieces that you've done that I may hear? Maybe get some inspiration! Does your current studio have a website?

What I think effects my mixes are the acoustics of the rooms I record in and the fact that my monitoring environment isn't all that hot. I can't really do anything about it because I well :cough: still live with my parent. I am currently looking for a 2 bedroom house to rent out so that I may do what I please with the rooms. Until then, I have to do with what I have :o/
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Maybe if more people started following some of the "basic axioms of recording" we wouldn't have this glut of crappy, half-ass recordings by wannabe engineers who aren't interesting in actually learning the craft.

(I'm generalizing - this is not directed at you, PicoStudios)
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I hear you but the thing is, people come here for help. Do you think Pico got anything constructive from your post? Frederic, for example, was offering real advice that Pico could use to make his recordings better. Michael Jones, for example, was trying to help out his business by offering constructive advice on his website and studio pics. Why bother posting just to tell someone you think they suck?

My post count isn't so high, mainly because I only post when I feel like I really have something to contribute or feel like someone is not getting accurate information. That, and the fact that I have real work to do...

Sorry to hijack the thread.
 
frederic said:
I have never used software to normalize, I do it the "old fashioned" way using outboards, level controls, and my ears. When I convert from wav, to mp3, I always turn "normalization" off.

Do note that I do not consider myself an expert at all. Just sharing my experience and opinion without ego. Just telling Pico what I heard with my ears, and saw on my scope. No one is ever required to take my advice or even listen to what I have to say. Ever.
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Frederic-

I wasn't trying to debunk your method. Using the old ears is definitely the way to do things, even if you have a visual method available. The only reason I started pulling things into a wave editor is because that mastering engineer told me that that was how 'everybody' did it. And he was largely right from what I saw. Not everything I looked at had major clipping, but almost everything had some.
 
picostudios said:
I know back in the day, everything wasn't limited and compressed to hell.
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And look how great they sound compared to today's crap. :)
 
buenas

"Untitled Document" as your web title and the geocities banner do not give a nice impression
nice design though

hmmm in the clients part, write who they are

contact: who? write some names in there

pics: put some decent ones

"- The recording process takes time, so bbe patient"

my 2 pesos (mexican currency lol)
 
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Not a big fan of the GeoCities pop up...other than that, hang in there...listen to everything dig deep into these posts.

Best of luck.
 
Give picostudios a break! Frederic, the instruments sound muddy to you because you probably have crappy speakers. Picostudios is very good for what he is doing, I would love to hear what BETTER you could do, deflate your ego. oh wait. whats this fruityloops techno demo doing? is that made by you?

Plus who the hell are you bluebear? What have you to show? It's the "half assed" producers that are the new revolution. Dinosaurs are going to be extinct!

RonC
 
c7sus said:
Yeah, just ignore Bruce. It's not like he makes his living recording or anything. :rolleyes:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/bvaleria/bluebear/bb_studiopics.htm
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Let's face it, almost no one involved in "home" recording has any interest in actually learning how professionals do their work. I have all but stopped posting about recording issues, because people just don't listen. My favorite refrain is, "I want to keep my options open." This is most frequently put right after they say "I don't like to compress while tracking." Well, maybe now we know why your tracks are all either clipping or horrendously noisy.

I was on a plane once with a retired aerospace engineer who had been involved with designing the Space Shuttle. He told me that a couple of times a year, he and his colleges from that time are called in to teach the new engineers something about the shuttle, because new engineers just don't learn the same things anymore.

What I am trying to say is, if you are new to this, why would you want to reinvent the wheel when you have experienced guys like Blue Bear or Rick offering you advice? They give consistently good advice, and though we work differently, and have different styles, I have plenty of respect for their technical knowledge. The only way to the art is to learn the craft, and Blue Bear and Rick have the craft down.

And you will get a lot fewer answers from the guys who know what they are doing when you insult them.

BTW Pico, you say the bands who are coming to you don't mind the fact that your place is a dump, but what about all of the bands who don't even call you because of the photos on your page. Listen to people who are trying to help you improve your business. They might actually know what they are talking about.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
rpc9943 said:
Plus who the hell are you bluebear? What have you to show?
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I'm a recording engineer that owns and operates a studio near Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - nothing more, nothing less. (But that just *might* mean I know a thing or two about audio!)


:rolleyes:
 
Light said:
BTW Pico, you say the bands who are coming to you don't mind the fact that your place is a dump, but what about all of the bands who don't even call you because of the photos on your page. Listen to people who are trying to help you improve your business. They might actually know what they are talking about.
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Well for one, my place isn't a "dump". I do clean up before bands come in. The photos just make it look dirty. I know you're probably thinking "yeah right". It's my home. If I could fix it up the way I would like to, I would. BUT I CAN'T. Do you think if I had my own space I'd keep it that dirty? HELL NO!

I'm always willing to learn something from people who have been recording for ages. If I wasn't willing to learn, why would I ask questions?

Everyone starts from somewhere.
 
seriously you should back off of pico. He seems to have done a great job. I like his down to earth pics, I think it makes it look earthy. Not everyone cares about polished hardwood floors twenty times a day, or paying 500 dollars for a single song... So you make a living recording things, does that make you "better" than us? All this snobbery will get you nowhere, and its not the gear its the ear. And home recorders can be innovative --- definately moreso than any "Pros" could ever. In my opinion, most self ascribed "Pros" have no adventurous sonic pioneerings/experiments. This is what separates the true new era passionate recordists from the old "Pros".
 
rpc9943 said:
And home recorders can be innovative --- definately moreso than any "Pros" could ever. In my opinion, most self ascribed "Pros" have no adventurous sonic pioneerings/experiments. This is what separates the true new era passionate recordists from the old "Pros".
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To quote Bruce:

:rolleyes:
 
rpc9943 said:
seriously you should back off of pico. He seems to have done a great job. I like his down to earth pics, I think it makes it look earthy. Not everyone cares about polished hardwood floors twenty times a day, or paying 500 dollars for a single song... So you make a living recording things, does that make you "better" than us? All this snobbery will get you nowhere, and its not the gear its the ear. And home recorders can be innovative --- definately moreso than any "Pros" could ever. In my opinion, most self ascribed "Pros" have no adventurous sonic pioneerings/experiments. This is what separates the true new era passionate recordists from the old "Pros".
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Yeah. I can see the "earth" all over the walls and floors.
 
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