PATCHBAY???

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Okay...I feel dumb...I have been recording for almost 4 years now, and I have worked in a large music store as a product specialist in recording/pa gear, and I need info on a patchbay...i never understand how to wire them up, what normal, half normaled etc means...what are the benefits, can anybody help me out???
Ben
 
Awww Mannn, you just opened a really nasty can of comments about the sales guy in a music store. Rest In Peace.
 
Awww, take pity on the poor guy: everybody has to start somewhere, and most people can't tell you how a dBm and a dBv differ, or why. If you haven't had to build a patchbay yet (or optimally drive a 600 ohm load), why the heck would you know? It wasn't tattooed on the back of my neck at birth- I hadda ask someone too, back when the Earth was still cooling.

Anyway, the benefits of a patchbay: Packaging, and longer life of most of the important cables in the studio. Using a patchbay allows the basic interconnect to be set-and-forget, and allows the cables that take all the flexing and daily abuse to be short, easily tested, and easily swapped. The reliability benefit _cannot_ be overstated: If by some mischance you need one special 13.7 foot cable that terminates in a 3.8mm stereo plug to connect your prized vintage Frobifier 200 to your board, chances are that you won't want to inventory a spare. And if the cable fails mid-session after it is unplugged for the umpteenth time, you're _screwed_. Better to make that cable be a permanent fixture, hide it behind the racks so that it doesn't get twisted, stepped on, or the piano rolled over it, and let the patch bay cables take all the abuse.

It gets even worse if you realize that the replacement 3.8mm stereo _jack_ in that prized Frobifier 200 hasn't been made since 1976, and if the jack goes bad from all that plugging instead of the cable... You get the picture.

In any case, normalling works as follows. Studio patch points are usually implemented with pairs of jacks: the upper jack, by normal convention, is a signal source (an output). The lower jack is a signal destination (an input).

Open, or non-normalled: the upper and lower jacks are completely independent. They don't talk to one another at all by default, so to establish signal flow, you have to plug a patch cable from one to the other.

Full normal: There is a default ("normal") connection made between the upper and lower jacks of a pair. They default to being connected whenever there is nothing plugged into *either one of them*. Sticking a plug in the upper disconnects the default signal route from the lower ("breaking the normal"), so you have to run another patch cord into the lower from somewhere if you want that destination to be driven. Ditto with sticking a plug in the lower. Important point: a plug inserted in either jack of the pair will break the normal.

Half normal: this is IMHO the most useful type. There is a default connection from upper to lower, just like the full normal. However, it is set up so that plugging into the upper (source) jack _does not break it_. This provides you the ability to parallel two loads on a single source (i.e., a freebie two-way mult, since both your patch and the default destination are driven). Important point 2: *Only* plugging into the lower jack breaks the normal.

Parallel: the jacks are connected without any normal switching (they are hard-shorted in parallel, whether anything is stuck in them or not). This is also called multing. I usually put 3 or 4 4-way mults in any patchbay I build. Mults typically run horizontally, since in the old Switchcraft telephone style patch bays the solder lugs all line up, so you can just stick pieces of tinned wire straight along and glom 'em together.

The more "modern" prepackaged TRS patchbays (simple 1/4" TRS jacks on the front and back) made with PC board mount jacks can be a little harder to do mults with. No problem for me, since I don't use 'em. I'm a throwback: I like the old telephone-style longframes, because I've never yet had one fail unless it was _mercilessly_ abused. And the Switchcraft telephone style patch cords cost $20 a pop because they are the next best thing to immortal...

Just about the only thing that will kill a longframe jack is sticking a regular (stereo-headphone-type) 1/4" TRS plug in it too many times. The real telephone-style TRS plugs have that funny empty-condom tip shape to keep from overstressing the spring contacts that do the normalling for you. I always build a single space rack strip with 5 or 10 non-telephone 1/4" TRS jacks, and a few XLRS of either sex, wired to open jacks in the the Switchcraft bays as access points for funny cables. Seems like you're always needing those, and it makes the real patch bay much longer lived to not have those ugly TRS plugs shoved into 'em...

Hope that helps!
 
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Okay here is the deal digitaldon, just because I have had a simple set up that gets sounds some prosumer hobbyists would dream of, and I haven't needed to use a patchbay, doesn't mean we sales guys at music stores don't know what we are talking about. I'll admit at places like Mars Music, they hire a bunch of yahoo's that can sell, but don't know crap about there music, but I worked at an experienced store, with an experienced staff...I've just never needed to use a patchbay for my stuff, so I focused on great sound. Besides, there were plenty of things that I didn't understand that my co-workers could help me out on and vice versa, we help eachother out so that we can give all the facts to a potential buyer. We want the buyers to be happy with there set-ups, and if that means letting them demo out 6 mics over a three month period so they find the one that best suits there needs, then so be it. They are making great music with the gear I helped provide them with, and they are happy...isn't that what it is all about...making music that makes you happy?? I guess there are still enough yahoo salesmen out in the music world to justify your stereotypical views of them...oh well, I am perfectly content knowing that I have made hundreds of people happy with the gear I've sold them, just by being a person that wants to see music thrive in the world. Hope other people see it the same way...and I hope that more and more people who provide the gear would see things the same way as well.
Ben
 
Sorry BennyBob, didn't mean to get you all riled up. I'm no pro by any stretch of imagination (barely a novice)and I wasn't trying to pass judgement on you. Just a warning from what I've seen before on this BB regarding music store salesmen. I guess that would be the stereotype you are talking about. I live in a small town with 3 music stores, none of which I would depend on for advice. My son had taken lessons at one store using an acoustic I've had for over 20 years without a scratch. The salesman/teacher used a drill with phillips bit to take off the backside plate to make an "adjustment." You can imagine what the screwheads and backplate looked like when he got through. These stores stock the cheapest possible selection of the brands they carry and mark them up like crazy. Therefore, most of my purchases are on-line. I prefer to buy local and have several times when the store offers a respectable price (manufacturers suggested list price is not a respectable price). I envy the guys who have a store such as you say you work at available. Just remember, customers like me will walk away from the cheapest price to get a fair price from someone we trust.
 
I know what you mean...

I totally agree with the small town thing you are talking about...i am in college right now, and it is a very small town with one music store...all they carry is washburn and this brand called austin which I've never heard about....i get a Taylor 310 for the same price as some of there washburn solid spruce top and laminate back and sides. It is rediculous. Oh well...guess I am glad I have connections where I used to work...I can't go in and try out Taylors on a regular basis though here...
Ben
 
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