overhead drum condensers

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can anyone suggest some small overhead condensers for drums...i was thinking of going beta 52 for the kick, sm-57 for the snare and two overhead condensers to get the rest of the toms and cymbals...tips would be helpful...thanks
 
If you're on a really tight budget, the Behringer ECM8000 omni condenser mics at $35 each, or the MXL 603S mics for around $75 each. If you have more to spend, there are other options, but these two will do a pretty decent job for cheap.
 
do thes require phantom power??? and also, have you used them...and would they give me a nice sound
not like professional studio quality but for recording local school band's demos and stuff like that?? thanks alot for your post it narrows it down alot
 
Yes, I've used them, and you can get a real good sound with them - professional quality even. They do need phantom power to work.
 
is there anythig i should be looking for in phantom power boxes?? can you recommend me some, and the kind of tone i would get out of them??

also, i still cnat decide between the behringer and the 603.....

maybe you can answer afe of my questions....
1.) do either of these get much bleed in from behind?
2.) are there distinct tones to either of these?
3.) which one would be better to hang overhead to get all toms and cymbals eqully??

see...the main thing is the behringer is like 40 bux and the only 603's i could find are on musicians friend, but come on a pack with the mxl 2001...but, ive heard bad things about this mic...if i got this pack..i would use the 2001s for micing guitar cabinets. Do you know whattype of tone these would bring out??? are the 2001's woth it? or should i just go 603's or the behringers alone???

i play rock and metal...thanks for your help
 
The ECM8000's are not good for ignoring off-axis sound. They'll pick up pretty much anything in the room. As I understand it, the MXL's are MUCH more directional.

The difference here is then going to be the overall effect. You'll get a lot more room sound with the ECM's. (depending on how far they are placed from the source, of course...) This may be good or bad. The MXL's will give you better off-axis rejection, making separation a little easier, but less room sound.

My budget only allowed for the ECM's, but I've been happy with them.

Chris
 
is there anythig i should be looking for in phantom power boxes?? can you recommend me some, and the kind of tone i would get out of them??
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"Phantom power boxes" shouldn't change the tone at all, they just supply the power that the mics need to work up the cable. What are you recording to? What are you using for mic preamps etc.? The reason I ask is that for the price of a couple of phantom power boxes, you can get a preamp (eg M-audio audio buddy (2 channels of decent preamp with phantom power, around $80 online) or small mixer like the behringer MX802a (4 channels of ok but not great preamps, phantom power on all 4, plus some stereo line level channels, $80 at musiciansfriend.com). You may not need all of the features, but they may come in handy and cost is likely to be similar.

Either option should work well with either the ECM8000's or mxl603's. I have the 603's and they work really well as overheads for my purposes (pop-rock).

Condensors are very sensitive and you will get some bleed if there are other instruments going in the same room. It should be less with the 603's if you position them right, but it will never go away entirely. But unless you spend a lot more money than we're talking about here to buy ribbon mics or wide-frequency response dynamics like the Sennheiser 441, it's very, very difficult to get a good overhead sound (esp cymbals) without using condensors.

Good luck

Steve
 
thanks....im gonna get the 603's for overheads andl v93m for vocals
 
No one mentioned the Oktava MC012. I thought the concesus was that they are even better than the 603 as OH.
& the 603 better for accoustic guitar...

B.
 
Booda said:
No one mentioned the Oktava MC012. I thought the concesus was that they are even better than the 603 as OH.
& the 603 better for accoustic guitar...
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I'd have to say you're probably right, if you had your choice, but there's certainly nothing wrong with the 603 on OH or the mc012 on accoustic.
 
To me, the 603's are a little too bright on overheads. The darkness of the of Oktava's takes care of that.

Got them today and I'm lovin them.

Brandon
 
Oktava MK012 for overheads. $200 bucks musiciansfriend.com. They work like a dream. Come with twist on cardiod heads and -10dB pads.
 
im going to be recording stuff like tool and black sabbath...do you think the oktava's or the 603's would do better...see i dont want the cymbals to sound dull but not like way to bright where you have to squint...if oyu ave any suggestions or feed back that'd be great!
 
I'm recently got a pair of 603's from 8th street and run them through a Behringher UB1204-FX then to my recorder. The cymbals sound awsome!!! I just picked up an Art 2 channel pre off e-bay and can't wait to hear how the sound through that.
 
I'm recently got a pair of 603's from 8th street and run them through a Behringher UB1204-FX then to my recorder. The cymbals sound awsome!!! I just picked up an Art 2 channel pre off e-bay and can't wait to hear how the sound through that.

what kind of recorder doyou have....and where do you put the mixer into your recorder???
 
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