Ok I'm forced to do it. It should be interesting anyway...

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What is the best 8 channel I/O PC Soundcard?

  • Delta 1010 - $599

    Votes: 9 31.0%
  • MOTU 896 - $1199

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • RME Multiface - $725

    Votes: 6 20.7%
  • Digidesign Digi-001 - $799

    Votes: 4 13.8%
  • Aardvark Direct Pro Q10 - $829

    Votes: 5 17.2%
  • Echo Layla - $599?

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Edirol DA-2496 - $679

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Apogee DA8000 - 6000! oops n/m

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Teratec EWS88 - $399

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other? Please Specify

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Total voters
    29
Well, it's not on your list, but the RME 96/52 is what I use. It gives you 16 channels though, not 8, and with it's "daughter board" you get 8 more for a total of 24 channels.

Of course you'll need some sort of optical interface for it too. I use an "ADAT" card on my Yamaha O1V digital mixer for 8 channels and a pair of Steinberg's 8 I/O AD/DA converters for the other 16.

Works great!
 
Tyler,
number one, I am continually amazed at how many replies you get to your posts and so far this one is pretty flame free.

I'm just wondering, how many hours a day do you spend reading spec's and prices, and dreaming up studio configurations? Do you actually own any gear yet? And most of all... After spending all of this time and energy, let's say you go out tommorrow and build your dream studio and get all the shit that you have posted polls about... Your gonna use cakewalk? That sounds silly.
Your gonna spend 20k on all the gear you are dreaming of and use 50 dollar software? Or whatever it costs...
 
$20k ? Hell, last week he was gonna spend more than that just on preamps...

Hey, Tyler, how 'bout a reality check here? If you're too broke to buy ANYTHING, maybe you should take some of your BBS time and get a job. Then you could maybe actually BUY a basic setup and start learning firsthand how to use it. I know it's nice to dream, we all do it now and again - but seriously, if you want to be an engineer, sooner or later ya gotta actually TOUCH a train...

Remember, if it was a crime to be short on cash, we'd all be butt-buddies from Attica or SingSing. Why don't you be honest with yourself and figure out a REAL budget, then we can help you decide priorities and actually get started?

You've already come a long way just in the last few months as far as being respectful to others - the first few of your posts I read really didn't make me wanna even piss on you if you were on fire - now, you come across as nearly human (which is better than some of us here at times), so I know that you have the ability to change when you can see that it will benefit you. The next step, if you want to be a recording engineer either for your own music or others, is to figure out a realistic plan for getting enough money together for a basic but upgradable system, and start implementing that plan. If your current source of cash is ZERO, then the first step would be to find a job of some kind. That in itself may be kinda difficult in this economic climate, but anything is doable if you want it badly enough.

I for one will be willing to help in any way I can, as soon as you stop saying you're gonna buy 8 $5000 preamps, etc, etc, and seriously assess your prospects. If you're game, start a thread called "Tyler's real setup", or something like that. You might be surprised at what can be done... Steve
 
Tyler, how bout just spending less than $1500 on 9 channels of pre-amps?
2x M Audio DMP-3
2x FMR RNP
1x Studio Projects VTB-1

This way you can record a whole band at once (assuming you're not going overboard on drummicing...)
Then, just buy Cubase VST or Logic, get a Delta 1010 and be done with it.
Tyler's 1st realistic yet versatile mic locker:
2x Shure SM57
1x Sennheiser MD421
1x Audio Technica AT Pro25
2x Marshall MXL603
1x Studio Projects C1 or Marshall MXL V67G

there, <$900 on 7 great HOME RECORDING mics that will lend themselves to grow with you.
Throw in a RNC or 2, and for less than $4k, you got yourself a nice homerecording setup running, fully flegded to record WHOLE bands at once.

Thank me and the others afterwards. ;)
 
According to the poll choices I say.....Digi 001 or MOTU.

Stay away from the other stuff IMO..


Now if we were talking about things in the same price range then we can sit down and compare, but it's hard, when you have 2 awesome ones, and a bunch of project level ones..

Noe-wut-i-meen?

Joe
 
Okay...well...been gone for a while. I'm not going to dignify subtractors comments with an answer. Oh yeah, and it's still 14.7k. And I'm savin' it all up before I buy anything, 'cuz otherwize...well that's just the way I wanna do it.

Oh yeah, and Knightfly, uhm, I think it was two 2000 dollar pres. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in that way. ...By the way, I'm glad you think I'm almost human :)

Anyway...I'm really lookin' at E-Mu paris right now, or two RME Multifaces, with a few budget changes. I actually wasn't even thinking about 7 or 8 of those cards, they were just on there for more variety.

Thanks for the help...
 
tyler657recpro said:
...I'm not going to dignify subtractors comments with an answer...

subtractor said:
Do you actually own any gear yet?
Actually, I was kind of curious as to the answer on that one.

I still say this is the way to go. :)
 
I was talking about the other part...nevermind. Yes I do have SOME gear, not much. I can afford more, but I'm waiting so I can buy GOOD stuff.

I know I'll be asked, soooooo....

I have a Behringer MX1804x
several sm58s
marhsall mxl2001- the 603 that came with it is cool!
marshall mxl603s
bose 301IV's, (no I'll never use them for monitoring, but otherwise incredible!)
a technics reciever
consumer aiwa tapedeck (older when they made okay stuff)
alesis 3630 (saving up the money so I can pay bluebear to dispose of it!)
cakewalk guitar tracks 2.0 (okay for basic stuff)
a ton of wires and crap (all good neutrik connectors, hand soldered, on to 22 guage piece of crap (so they tell me) proco wire) i got 500 feet free so what the hey
bunch a target and cheap karaoke machine mics (makes my list look bigger)
3 sound blaster cards
oh yeah, and my first good (i say good meaning better than target) microphone, a radioshack highball aka:Shure AXS7

for those who are wondering...
 
What exactly do you want to do with it? Do you want to make music or just do the recording engineering part?
 
huh...? oh!! okay yeah, sorry, didn't understand the question at first. I just want to do the engineering part. maybe later I'll learn to play an instrument, mostly because everyone tells me I'd be great...I still don't understand that.

I want to be either an audio engineer, or direct movies. I'd rather do the engineering, but as far as everything always turns out for me... I'll just end up being a big shot producer making millions of dollars doing almost nothing except saying brittney spears can make another album that I'll get 80% of the profits for, and I'll never be happy, but it's cool. It's just the way everything works out. anyway...

...just the recording engineering part
 
tyler657recpro said:
... I'll just end up being a big shot producer making millions of dollars doing almost nothing except saying brittney spears can make another album that I'll get 80% of the profits for...
:confused: :confused: :confused:

Are you 12 years old, painfully naive, or both?
 
Oh how I wish I were 15 years old again and had $15K to spend on gear that I had no idea how to operate.
 
HEY

Tyler has been playing nice as of late, so how bout we lay off him a bit....
 
Shit, I'd settle for 30 and knowing what I know now...

Tyler, that last comment about the producer thing - you should edit your posts, or nobody will EVER take you seriously. Here's a bit more of a reality check -

I think almost all of us daydream about winning the lottery and calling up Roger Nichols or Walter Storyk or George Massenburg or hell, all of them, and saying, hey guise put me in a $2 mil studio, put it right there, and call me when it's ready -

REALITY TIME - It's been my experience that you get a lot more familiarity and use from each piece of gear in a studio when you get one piece and learn it, get a second piece, etc - every time I've bought multiple pieces of gear at a time, NONE of them ever got full usage according to their abilities, unless I went back and cracked the manual again after the new wore off. (I usually do, sooner or later)

It's one thing to look at Dream-N-Drool books and read all the descriptions and specs and put together a studio in your head/on paper - if you've studied enough, you will usually get the FUNCTIONS of each piece of gear right. It's quite ANOTHER thing to actually buy all the gear and expect it to work like you thought it would. There is ALWAYS something they don't tell you that you usually end up assuming, usually INCORRECTLY, that bites you on the ass. This is true of nearly EVERY piece of gear you get, with the possible exception of actual musical instruments, which only require years of practice to be useful.

Tyler, look at it this way: Do you know why a BASIC college education takes at least 4 years? It's because no HUMAN can learn all that's required in 5 minutes, or even a month!!! It's the same with a studio. To get the most out of a complex system of gear, each piece must be operating at its optimum. That means that the operator must know each piece of gear nearly as well as its designer, so he can set up all the conditions it takes for that piece of gear to shine. When you multiply the effort that takes by the number of pieces of gear it takes to put together a complete recording/mixing facility, with all the attendant details, it becomes an incredibly daunting task (meaning it's really HARD) - normally trying to do all that at once will result in one of two possibilities - either you will fry your brain and end up in a rubber room, or you will say fuck it, sell the stuff for less than half what you paid for it, and spend the money on crack or some equally detrimental shit, which (if you're lucky) will also fry your brain and you'll STILL end up in that rubber room...

If you took a different kind of poll (I can't believe I suggested that) you would find that those who post here who actually KNOW their ass from a fur-lined gopher hole, almost without exception have been poor enough to HAVE TO get their gear a piece or two at a time, so that they were FORCED to learn as much as possible about each piece because (1) there was nothing else to do while saving for the next piece, and (2) They wanted the best they could get out of what they COULD afford, and (3) that extra WAITING time has been put to good STUDY and EXPERIMENTING time...

I personally think that the "wait til I can get it all" part of your plan will be GREAT, for all of us here EXCEPT YOU - What it will mean, is that when you finally DO get everything at once, you'll be so OVERWHELMED that you'll be SELLING it all here at 30% of wholesale, and when you do, I GET DIBS ON THE HIGH DOLLAR PREAMPS... :=)

Seriously, Tyler, READ THIS POST 3 OR 4 MORE TIMES and think about it. Being "in your own little world" is cool for fantasies, but REALITY has a nasty habit of throwing REALLY COLD WATER in our faces. It's been a while since that's happened to me, but that's partly because I have a really good memory for things that bit me in the ass, and generally no two scars on that part of my anatomy have been caused by the same weapon... Steve

(Bdgr snuck in while I was writing the above short story - besides, I WAS playing nice. I meant every word in a helpful, constructive way, except maybe the preamps...)
 
Knightfly,

I started trying to record music on a two-track 3M open reel tape recorder in 1962. I was thrilled when I finally saved enough money to get a Wollensak (with the Sears logo on it) three years later and could actually do "sound on sound" ... wow!!! The possibilities!!

Anyway, I couldn't agree with you more about collecting and learning along the way ... you are right on the money about the learning curve on every piece of gear. And I think you're right in predicting that Tyler will be overwhelmed but that's his row to hoe. Just wanted to say that was one of the best summaries of what this is all about that I've ever seen. Magazine quality.
 
Yep. That was a pretty good summation. I'm just amazed at the contrast between this post and "Ice's" post. I know she is a girl, so she's gonna be a bit more mature but... She's got people sending her their extra gear on the second page of her first post! That's some serious charisma! Tyler, you'll be alright someday. I was such a little dumbass at 15, I can hardly believe that I made it through my teens.

Just a suggestion tyler, save your money, keep learning and get a job in a music store once your old enough. That way you can put to use all of this that you have learned, AND you'll save a ton on gear.
 
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