ok, I have one for Alan and Brent Casey...

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Harvey Gerst said:
I DO get some financial benefits; I might get a discount on a product, or they'll let me pay it off over time, or sometimes I may get something free to try. I've agonized over this problem publicly several times about whether it damages my credibility or not.

I think you're probably the last guy who has to worry about credibility. You do a very good job of dealing with this potential conflict, if you ask me or anyone else who knows of you.

Guys like myself recommend a lot of products and give favorable "reviews" all the time. Yet I get nothing in return. Even when I rave about their Joemeek line to every newb on the planet with a mic and a pulse, the JM distributors tell me I should leave the board !

I say I should be getting discounts and a big, fat VC1Q in the mail.
:) :) :)
 
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POLITICAL/ECONOMICRANTS-R-SUS said:



Why does anybody need this? Why should companies that INVEST in R&D and take the RISK of bringing new product to the market get ripped off by backwards engineering? Just so you can have an IMITATION of a high-end piece?

This is a really great idea until the job they ship to China tomorrow BELONGS TO YOU TODAY.

I suggest you guys add a couple books to your reading list. Try these:

ONE WORLD READY OR NOT by William Greider

Anything written by Michael Parenti or Noam Chomsky

Tubedude's idea is actually kinda interesting. But why not make it here in the States WHERE IT IS GONNA BE MARKETED AND SOLD? Obviously there is nobody out there building mics to those kinda specs on a mass production basis. Good luck getting SP to give his secrets to the Chinese!



I trust you typed this little rant on an Amercan made computer?

For the record, I own a Mac G4, a Honda Civic, a carved Czech Double Bass, a handmade Ken Smith 6 string electric bass, a rebuilt Baldwin Grand piano (rebuilt by a German), 2 MXL 603's and a V67G, and a Soundcraft mixer....which gives me American, Japanese, Chinese, Czechoslovakian, and British Gear. Guess what? I bought each piece based on what was best for what I needed and could afford at the time. In the big picture, this is what most people do, and is what will help ensure the quality of all products that wish to survive, including but not limited to American ones.

In my opinion. YMMV.

Also in my opinion, anyone who runs around flaming people from behind the anonymity of an internet screen name is an immature chickenshit, no matter what country they buy their gear from. Funny how the people who always seem to get flamed are completely honest about who they are and where they live, while the flamers who throw their opinions around like they're completely confident that they know all the answers to the world's problems always wear masks. If you want to pick a fight, do it like a man and show your face. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You know, I bet I could kick Mike Tyson's ass if he was blind (or if I was invisible). But then, what would I have really accomplished by doing so? NOTHING.

Sincerely,

Chris Fitzgerald
2909 South 3rd Street
Louisville KY
 
Chris F said:




Chris Fitzgerald
2909 South 3rd Street
Louisville KY



aaah....I'm gonna need directions from the KY lake area...ah....
:D :D

(what other equipment do you have?)
 
mixmkr said:




aaah....I'm gonna need directions from the KY lake area...ah....
:D :D

(what other equipment do you have?)


A MOTU 1224, a couple of other mics, some nice live sound bass amps, etc... Also, a 5th kyu belt in Aikido (instructor was from Burma), alarm system by ADT (which I'm assuming is an American company), and a Louisville Slugger baseball bat made right here in my hometown. ;) :D :D
 
Nothing I hate more than to have a serious post turn into some crappo political/ego debate. I have serious questions here and would like for everyone not involved in answering them to step aside.
Take it elsewhere and lets let Brent and Alan answer my post, and anyone else that has something good to throw in feel free. Otherwise, take it to the cave. Please.
Please.
Let hope this 1st post doesnt scare Brent away now all because no one can shut the hell up.
(Hey Chris F, I just live over off New Cut near Iroquois park, we should check out each others stuff sometimes.)
 
the chinese dont need to reverse engineer tube products because east germany shared technology with them when they both were communist.

they could make products that look and perform like the high end tube gear but they probly dont see a huge market for it yet.

i dont care about jobs. i usually work as a delivery driver and my jobs cant go to china! i care more about having affordable equipment.

yes the peavey looks good... what does it go for around 700 or more? we need to have a chinese copy for half that or less!
 
Start your own threads for this shit as it will only get C7 and whoever else wound up and arguing on MY thread again. Go, start a thread. Its easy and cheap.
 
tubedude said:
Nothing I hate more than to have a serious post turn into some crappo political/ego debate. I have serious questions here and would like for everyone not involved in answering them to step aside.

oops...sorry....the guy I was talking to has a Louisville Slugger, so I'm not continuing on with that thought;) (actually, I'd hate the ensuing thoughts of that more than a crappo political/ego debate on a serious thread though!)

But, .....you're right...and I'll back you up.









(with only serious jokes now)


;)
 
'C7sus',
We are absolutely in the same camp as regards the identity & recognition of the problem. We must agree to differ I suppose on the feasibility & practicality of consumer boycott as an effective force against morally questionable business ethics. It has always proven incapable of mustering enough force to even tickle the giant let alone topple the giant. These things can only possibly be kept in check through political & legal avenues.

I reinforce this point (& this is no small point. it is the crux of the mater) - Buisness & the consumer are by the very nature of their association co-conspirators. The strongest force pulling on business is to maximize profit (The force of ethics enters only through outside artificial means aka. laws & regulations). The strongest force on the consumer is...well, to consume of course.... to have the most & best he/she can have (again ethical forces enter only through external means) It's often postulated that indoctrination of ethical standards into the minds of people on both sides can be an effective external artificial way to apply ethics as a force to place in check run away unethical business practice & override the social pitfalls that eventually accompany them. :D :D :D :rolleyes: The current goings on with publicly traded companies on the stock market, with rampant bookkeeping fraud that is bringing down so many & bringing so many others into question AND bringing nearly the entire stock market down with it is just another kind of unethical business practice. Do you think there could ever really be any long term expectation of stopping such practices by pointing & shaking your finger at them & saying No..No bad corporation or CEO...you should be ashamed of yourself!? Can you expect consumers to avoid 'World Com' services now that they know of their fraudulent book keeping? Consumers will stop using their services when & if they go bankrupt & for no other reason than it's not available or doesn't offer what they need at a price that appeals.

No, you can't blame consumers for succumbing to the overwhelming natural force & survival instinct to get the most for the least. If they don't they're at a disadvantage to those that do, not to mention it's totally impractical to expect the consumer to research the ethical standing of all the companies relevant to the purchase options available to him/her before making a purchase choice, therefore the only way to defeat unethical business & consumer practices is to not let them happen in the 1st place through some forms of 'market/legal/political/social' regulation & intervention.

I must say though that I am amazed at how many people don't even recognize or won't admit to themselves that a totally unregulated free world market approach can lead to some pretty severe social pitfalls. There are also some pretty severe social pitfalls to fear from an heavy unethically regulated economy that can actually end up institutionalizing favoritism towards certain groups or giant corporations & stifle the hard working innovative little guy & individual.

Ha..ha... isn't it funny how threads tend to veer off track of the original post into so many other directions. Reminds me of an old lady that was once a neighbor of mine. She starts telling you what happened on the way to the store but her story ends up being a trip itself, constantly veering off from one topic to the next, never concluding any of them & of course you never find out what happened to her on the way to the store & you don't dare remind her that's what she initially started to tell you for you'd just have to suffer through another endless trip.... sorry...I'm getting off track. :D .....

..... Yeh I think better quallity mics & preamps with little extra cost is a great idea. :) I think the Studio projects B series has already addressed the lower expenditure on packaging issue as my B1's came in a simple cardboard box which was fine by me. Pretty darn good quality mic to. Would I have payed a little more for even a littlle better quality? Probably eventually. I could see that as a worthy expansion to their line along with some SD to MD condensors for instrument & overhead. How about it Alan/Brent... is that in the stars?




-SD Simpson-
 
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every industry is based on follow the leader.

you do what the guy before you did and maybe with improvements.

if the first car had 4 wheels and then somebody else makes a car with 4 wheels is the second person wrong for copying? obviously not.

is it a coincidence that most computers look pretty much alike? that for a while most new cars looked like jellybeans? that different companies make pencils that look practically identical?

obviously not.

the controversy is in your mind. you are the problem. you get all worked up over nothing.

silly guy!

:p
 
It sucks how a nice forum like this that helps each other out with a business we all love and adore has "somewhat" been turned into a flame throwing contest.
-DAN
 
I have questions for Alan and Brent Casey also

From Studio Projects in the future I'd like to see better sd condensers than my Oktava 012's and a nice two channel pre. Oh yeah, and a stage dynamic mic better than my beta 57. That's stuff I'd buy.
 
On the issue of Chinese manufacturing and design, while this isn't exactly what Jeap/Wascal requested, it could be very exciting news for all of us:

Stephen Paul has been dropping broad hints that he has been working furiously these past few months on a project that will involve an original SP microphone design to be manufactured in China, assuming the quality control issues can be worked out to his satisfaction. The resulting product would be a mic that comes in somewhere in the neighborhood of $1000, but that would be comparable in sound to mics costing 3 or 4 times as much. A few months back when he asked if anyone would be "interested" in such a product, as one might expect, he was deluged with positive responses and offers to pre-order.

This might be the ideal use of global economics - technological know-how from the U.S.A. combined with low-cost manufacturing from China. No one is getting ripped off, and we (the consumers) benefit tremendously.

Oh, yeah, I forgot. Stephen was apparently run out of this forum as well. Never mind.
 
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