No Room For Valve Amps ??

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I see from marshalls latest ads that they are now even closer to recreating the 'Valve' Sound without using Valves apart from in the preamp. Im in the Market for a New Amp (probably a JCM 900 SLX Head & Cab)
How close are the New Breed of amps?

Any comments Welcome
 
Ok man heres the truth.The line 6 and its offspring have made the next step in getting cool non-tube tones but dont beleive the hype man. 90 percent of this crap is just companies capitalising on a catchphrase thats the flavor of the week.Suddenly am effex box is an amp modeler. the pod and digitech(johnson) have cooked up some cool stuff.

But cmon anybody who says they dont need a matchless or a mesa boogie cause theyve got a pod is friggin deaf.marshalls only revolution is putting out product that matches this weeks flavor.Im not dissing modeling, or even quality solid state im simply saying that the day they make a tube emulator that feels as well as sounds genuine ill beleive the hype.

btw this day is in the far distance,cause a tube amp is a hit or miss when you hit its brilliant deal. its not homogenised one size fits all.

i accept and love modeling for what it is, but its nothing more

you aint gonna get the woman tone on nothin but a select all tube gem.(good luck youll need it ).i hate/love tubes. but when it all works theyre the best.(it rarely works for me sadly).these hybirds appeal to me not as imitations but as a new way, something different to explore.generally my ampeg half stack makes me frustrated and angry.my solution is to buy a mesa v-twin, and use it on a twin reverb, with a pod in tow not to mention my array of stomp box's:)


sincerely
robert jaybird
 
Marshall up

You gotta to be a woikin man for Marshall to make sense. Best performance amp ever made. Bar none.

I've settled into this studio thing and the pods and such are fine. JMP products just don't fit in here.

But if you ever want to reach the masses, plug in the Marshalls and kick some asses.
 
IM a Big Def Leppard Fan , and on the end of "when Saturday comes" the Def leppard title track of the same name Plays and the Tone on his lead sound is utterly Amazing. Does anyone know what amp this Is ? Sounds a little like A Soldano on Full Whack ?

Anyway im About to Blow a Hole in my Pocket and still Im undecided as to what make of amp to plump for?

Marshall
Mesa Boogie?

I play High Gain Hard Rock & Blues Lead Gtr.

Any Hints Welcome
 
I wonder if that might be steamin stevie, you never know what he's up to, but I heard he was back with those boys.
 
I played bass through a lot of different amps during the 60's and 70's and nothing ever compared to a warmed-up Bassman 100 watt tube. That magic bubble thing around the entire band.
 
As I recall,
Terry Kath did his Free Form Guitar stuff through 3 hundred watt bassmans in the late 60's.
 
And if you have enough of them on stage with you they will keep you warm on one of those cold outdoor stages. Espacially if they're like this old Ampeg I have with 15 tubes in it. I use it for a heater in my living room sometimes.
But my 2 cents is that tubes have not and will not be modeled. You can't put magic in a jar.
 
No magic in a jar, but no magic in a hot vacuum bottle either. Tubes can and will be modeled, but it really is irrelevant considering the magic premise. The only magic comes from the player's soul and body, the technology is only a vehicle to convey the expression. Sure some gear will sound like refried goat butt, but for every lawyer or lottery winner with a custom soldano, matchless or vintage foo-foo(who else can afford these?), I'll show you somebody getting a better sound from a Peavey tonebandit that looks like the aforementioned goat's derriere. It is what you play, not what you play through.
 
good point.While i think tubes can be modeled(possibly) this doesnt capture the nature of tubes.I for one think my pod sounds like crap.running a modeled amp dry and it comes up lame.it sounds like any other multi effects box.for the price of a pod i could get an old silverface twin reverb and actually have a kickin sound goin'.

tubes are unique and you can do lots of things to effect the sound.representing the sound in binary code can be taken much farther. but will it ever be a tube amp?no
it will get a lot closer though.

the pod doesnt even come close, for the price of a pod you could get a mesa boogie v-twin or a nice used combo and be kickin hot tones.the pod is like a collection of all the tones i wish never existed.the pod sounds nothing like a tube amp, its all hype.

sincerely,
robert
 
At the risk of dating myself, a silverface fender isn't what you're after if you are chasing classic, or even hot, tone. Most of the silverface stuff was post CBS and while they introduced cost cutting measures and design changes to the fender line, these changes were intended to make the amps cleaner and more consistent. Good idea from a manufacturing standpoint, but the tones that many people deify are coming from the era when the amps were built with whatever was available, basically. So what you have is either sorta bland sameness or hit or miss on the older pre CBS stuff. That being said, I have witnessed, in a vintage gear shop, purchases made of pre and post CBS fenders and other "old" amps that sounded to my ears like big heaping steaming piles 'o' crap, knowing full well that the people that bought them were succumbing to the mystique of "if its old and tubes, it must be good". To that should be added "I don't really care if the speaker needs re-coning and the transformer is rusty and moldy and it needs all new caps and it smells like cat pee... its Vintage!" My grandma's butt is vintage, but that don't make it smell better. Anyway, Ive heard good players get some pretty good stuff out of their PODs. In a few years, the technology will be even better and probably cheaper taboot. Also tube manufacturing technology is kinda primitive so not so environmentally friendly. We could mine the new-old-stock vein for years if it weren't for those damned audiophiles who claim they can hear "improved imaging and soundstaging from their kimber cables and special cd cleaner fluid" Double-blind embarass-the-audiophile listening tests anyone?

...Sorry, that last bit is one of my favorite rants...damn tube hoarders!

All respects.
 
Tubes -tubes-tubes

Nobody loves tubes more than i do, been playing them all my life. but i also own a pod and i love it, i also own several tube amps and i love them. I never confuse the two, i use them for what they were intended. Also, all tube amps are not great amps with great tone, i know cause i've owned and repaired alot of them.
 
yes the pod is nice.but it definately doesnt replace my tube amp.

this pod comes up just a little short in my opinion as far as straight up no holds barred breathtaking tone is concerned, but so do most tube amps.

the amps pod claims to model sound much better than what the pod gives.most of this modeling consists of creative eq adjustments my ears tell me.

thats what it comes down to.the setting i mainly use is the line 6 clean because at least thats not an overly ambitious sound.my ears tell me the pod aint quite there yet.id rather have a v-twin anyday.
 
A Tube amp is Definately on my shopping list to work along side my Boss VF1 Rack Unit which is a little like a pod in that it models quite a few Tube AMps quite well. But Never really comes close.

Maybe these compaines should stop trying to emulate Tube Tones and Try and come up with Somthing completely new & concentrate on Sound & Tone Ratther than Trying to make it sound like A Valve !

Hope that makes Sense!

To all who replied to this Thread , I wish you all a very Merry Rockin Christmas!

Octaver
 
Everyone loves the pod, everyone else wants it to burn a long life of imprisonment in hell. I think that the Pod is a revolutionary tool. Nothing more. It will never replace a tube amp, but it will definately make a dent in the tube amp's ego. I personally think the J-Station kicks the Pod's ass hands down. I am friends with some music store-workers and they went for training on the J-Station or something, and they showed them a cool trick. They hooked up the J-Station through a Masrhall 4x12, set the J-Station on the Marshall 4x12 setting or whatever it has, and nothing came out of the amp but a little fizzle every few seconds. There phases were like exactly the same, and cancelled each other out. Normally I wouldn't have listened to this story too much, but I tried the little thing, and damn. I was blown away. Won't replace my all-tube, but it sure as hell has found a home on my wish list.
Jake
http://www.worthlessmusic.com
http://www.creation16.com
 
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