No Name Tube Microphone

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dgatwood said:
One man's sibilant is another man's thin or bright. My guess is that it probably has an overly aggressive roll off on the bottom end. A few seconds with wire cutters should fix that. :)
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Castration! :eek:
 
One man's sibilant is another man's thin or bright.
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Ah sorry, dgatwood. We're actually talking about two different mics.
Anyway. It's snowing like a bugger here so I'm going to pop down to the studio and have another go at "Jet Plane" with the no name, before the power goes out.
 
Just started here at midnight in NH see everyone in a couple of days and 24"+ snow. Damn!
 
That stupid looking Toro Powercurve electric snow thrower is some of the best 200 bucks I ever spent, prolly go back to Canada in a couple of years, it's sure going with me. That lil' dude will take on 8" of snow without a blink. 24"? Go out 3 times, when it's totally effortless, it's no problem. Course if the power goes out I guess you're screwed. I do have a gas thrower too, but it's at someone else's house to use. Bigger than I need, Hell get a little gas thrower, just make sure it's a Toro.

As for the mics, the T1 sounds very level to me, accurate. Course there's a big hate on Behringer here. It's either crap, or a copy of something else, so I won't buy it even if it's good. Personally I think the C1 is a nice mic, a tube version of that works great for me. You know everyone who disses Behringer never seems to own any of their gear. People who do own it, seem to be very satisfied. Interesting how that works.
 
Fourteen inches now so that's a significant snowfall. It's also sticking to the branches so the power will go out.
I'll take some pictures in the morning. I just wish we had that steel roof already.
Anyway, had a good run at those mics over the past 3 hours. The big, blue No Name thing doesn't really win me over for vocals but for guitar, (south of the sound hole) Very nice. In fact, it has a place. I put the Audio Technica M450 at the 12th fret and split them 50/50.
The Behringer won on vocals. I'd say, as good as any of my Perceptions but it's still not as good as the Golden Age Ribbon.
I'd better shut this computer down now.
 
Army surplus Flame Thrower for the deep snow ..... leaf blower for the light snow. :D

I heard nothing but good on the GA ribbon microphone. But haven't had it in the studio though.
 
Started to rain at 03:00hrs and knocked the snow down to about 8".
"Home Sweet Home"
 

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buzzard bass said:
As for the mics, the T1 sounds very level to me, accurate. Course there's a big hate on Behringer here. It's either crap, or a copy of something else, so I won't buy it even if it's good. Personally I think the C1 is a nice mic, a tube version of that works great for me. You know everyone who disses Behringer never seems to own any of their gear. People who do own it, seem to be very satisfied. Interesting how that works.
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You shouldn't have had that impression from me, as I did own a C1, and it could certainly have its uses. It's not surprising to me that its smaller capsule is found more neutral; neutral is good for 90% of sources. Vox is always tricky, nobody is going to want the same result as anything else. But for $40, hey, the C1 worked, and it probably works on any source you want to fall into the mix without drawing attention to/embarassing itself (depending on the quality of performance :D)

If indeed the T1 is the same capsule, and there is a FET buffer, then the tube inside isn't really differentiated from a tube preamp. Which can be good, but given the hassles of external power supplies, 7 pin cables, and of course the much higher cost, I'd be inclined to stick with the C1 . . . or four of them, more to the point. Or a C1 plus a tube preamp (ART Gold series is nice) that works with every mic you got.

Yes, I say that not having used the T1, but I do know my way around a circuit, and relying on the information provided here to be reliable, I'd be willing to bet I'd feel that way after a test drive.

PS I don't recall the C1 as a copy of anything, that capsule and mount were unusual even if the circuit was generic. OK, the LED isn't generic ;)
 
it was said that the Behringer T-1 is with a 16mm electret capsule, same capsule size as Behringer C-1/C-3/C-4 capsule.
Behringer C-2 is also with 16mm electret capsule . B-5 is with pure condenser mic capsule (20mm)
it was said that C-2/B-5 is made by 797 Audio, C-4 and T-1 is made by other cheaper cost supplier.
 
They said it, it's always they that said it. Dontcha think?
 
Kidvybes says
...your best choice would have probably been a GE 6072/6072A (industrial/military grade 12AY7), but lately they can be quite costly...my second choice for microphones that utilize the 12A*7 family is the military grade 6201 (a GE 5 Star if available)...it'll give you a bit more output than the 6072, but less than the stock 12AX7 Chinese tube...another nice choice are the Sylvania 12AT7WA tubes (the WA also implies industrial/military grade)...a 12AU7's output is too low for many tube mics in which I've tried them (I prefer to use them in tube preamps or guitar amps), a 12AV7 is more applicable in mics, but IMHO, the 6201 is still preferable over anything other than a good quality 6072
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I've printed it out and heading off to the music shop again. See what I can find.
Oh, by the way: The Solid Tube arrived last night. It hasn't blown me away yet but give it time.
 
Marik said:
Hey Phil,

I like those rails--an old fashioned way of running grounds--very low Z, makes perfect sense! The problem with the 12AX7 is not only gain, but also low transconductance, extremely high plate resistance, and low grid resistance.

A poopie toob fohr uzing in da mikrofone, I'd say.

Best, M
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LOL! Agreed!

But how about running both halves in parallel, or using the second triode for converting impedance? Do the same effects apply? What's your opinion on that?

you should hear running a C12 circuit through an EF86 with the right transformer. (or perhaps you already have?).
 
They're all tested. The store does repairs.
Just bad luck.
The owner was pretty annoyed with the deal I got on the first 5 so I took 4 of them back.
It's a small shop, trying to stay afloat in spite of the big boys.
 
PhilGood said:
12AX7's gain is too hot for mics and pushes into distortion too quickly, which is why 12AY7 or 12AV7 is better.

Yeah, that's definitely the Aurycle kit mic. I bought two or three of them. They are the same mic that was sold as the sE5000 (IIRC) and another famed mic (with a different capsule).

I tried modifying the board, but ended up just copying the Ela M 251 circuit (adjusting for remote pattern control) with a Tim Cambell capsule and a Lundahl transformer. I also found a better grill off another mic that matches the Ela M's grill mesh count.

Here's how mine looks inside:

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Philgood.....that is some damn fine work.....that ground rail makes perfect sense. Is that a .001 IC film cap for the capsule coupling capacitor ?? I am using one for a capsule coupling cap on an ADK TC mic I gutted and rebuilt with a new capsule, Parallel triodes (5-star 12ay7) Takman REX plate resistor, 1n4148 X 2 on the cathode, and a few other tweaks. Makes for a really good sounding mic. I'd love to hear the mic you posted in those pics !!!

David Blackmon
 
Polycarbonate 250v. I thought I'd try that instead of a usual polystyrene.

Did you mean grid resistor?
 
No I was referring to the capsule coupling cap. I meant to say I am using a Mallory 150 600v .001 for the capsule coupling capacitor in the ADK TC mic I modded. I was out of polystyrene so I had the Mallory cap sitting around and the size was right so I gave it a try. It sounds better than the Wima film cap that ADK had in the mic. I might try a polystyrene in it when I get some more in. The mic sounds great the way I have it now though. I put an Advanced Audio K67 capsule in this mic. That is the same capsule that is in the Stellar CM-6 that has been getting really good reviews lately.
 
No, what you referred to was a "Takman REX plate resistor", and I was confused as to whether you meant the B+ feed resistor going to the plate or the grid resistor. I usually use a 2W 100k at the B+ feed to keep the noise low, but look for a high quality low noise thick film or carbon oxide(?) resistor for the grid, since that's the one being amplified.

I hate it when people say "Wima caps" like its all one thing. Wima makes polyester, polypropylene and polycarbonate capacitors. Most of them stacked. So, what KIND of Wima caps? I don't know what type ADK used in that, but most likely they were mylar .022uF. A bit of engineering overkill for the value. just cause it says Wima doesn't mean its the best. IMB makes really good capacitors. So do Auricap, AEON and Sprague.

Sorry, its late and I'm tired. Not trying to grill you or be surly...
 
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