wheelema
Boner-obo
Well, the beauty of this stuff is that it's ALL subjective. Can't make everybody happy. Hell, I can't hardly make myself happy!
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ZOWIE!
New member
sweetnubs said:
Because we suck.
Z
ZOWIE!
New member
wheelema said:
And many people, at least if they're not students, have some of that stuff to begin with. If you've already got the computer and decent monitoring ability, $4k can buy you some pretty nice sound capabilities if you keep the number of simultaneuous tracks down.
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
Re: texasroadkill
First off. Only my mother calls me Texas. It's Tex.
Second. Your message is now getting confused. I would always agree that technique and experience are more important than the gear but you must have the right tools to do the job. If somebody wants to track an entire band at once, mix the project and expect 'pro' results then $4k isn't going to make that happen.
My guitars and amps cost more than that. When I am done with my modest project studio I'll be glad if my cableing comes in under $4k.
Sure you can put together a decent demo quality DAW for $4k but that's only half of the battle.
manning1 said:
First off. Only my mother calls me Texas. It's Tex.
Second. Your message is now getting confused. I would always agree that technique and experience are more important than the gear but you must have the right tools to do the job. If somebody wants to track an entire band at once, mix the project and expect 'pro' results then $4k isn't going to make that happen.
My guitars and amps cost more than that. When I am done with my modest project studio I'll be glad if my cableing comes in under $4k.
Sure you can put together a decent demo quality DAW for $4k but that's only half of the battle.
T
The Green Hornet
New member
Yo Tex, et. al:]
When Elvis did, "Heartbreak Hotel," didn't his drummer play a cardboard box for the session?
Man, that must require a real good studio?
I keep reading that many "popular" groups are doing their tracks at home. AHA, must be the mixing that does it?
Just what is "professional" sound? If a million buyers like a non-professional sound, well, do they ask if it was made in a big studio? Naw. But, I admit, a big studio will make good stuff, because it costs!
Bottom line -- are we having fun? You bet your tookis.
Green Hornet
When Elvis did, "Heartbreak Hotel," didn't his drummer play a cardboard box for the session?
Man, that must require a real good studio?
I keep reading that many "popular" groups are doing their tracks at home. AHA, must be the mixing that does it?
Just what is "professional" sound? If a million buyers like a non-professional sound, well, do they ask if it was made in a big studio? Naw. But, I admit, a big studio will make good stuff, because it costs!
Bottom line -- are we having fun? You bet your tookis.
Green Hornet
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Fojar
New member
Jesus Christ. This bickering gets annoying. Take a gander up at the bar: It says HOMErecording.com.
Home recording, lowbudget recording, small project studio recording, whatever seems to be the aim of this site. It's not really so much about money, but more about recording.
Now if this were giantmegaprorecording.com/bbs, some of these "GET BETTER SHIT!" arguments would be more justified.
If you want truely professional sound, you're going to need to spend either a lot of money and have some damn good experience, or a little less than a lot of money and have some amazing talent.
Anything else is homerecording.
Home recording, lowbudget recording, small project studio recording, whatever seems to be the aim of this site. It's not really so much about money, but more about recording.
Now if this were giantmegaprorecording.com/bbs, some of these "GET BETTER SHIT!" arguments would be more justified.
If you want truely professional sound, you're going to need to spend either a lot of money and have some damn good experience, or a little less than a lot of money and have some amazing talent.
Anything else is homerecording.
distortedrumble
all up in yo grill!
what ever happened to having fun? I've spent about 1200 on my stuff but i enjoy it. maybe something will come of it and maybe it wont. manning1 probably supports teenage suicide "yeah go ahead and kill yourself...you'll probably never do anything worthwhile to validate your existence"...somebody's gonna get a lump of coal in his stocking for christmas talking like that LOL
bthiesson
New member
who ever said this was about making big bucks and/or getting famous? fojar is right...this site is about home recording! I'd be willing to bet that the majority of us have no illusions at all about
getting rich and famous recording stuff in the spare bedroom...I do this because it's what I need to save my own soul...if it costs me the price of a used car in the process I'll consider it a bargain.
getting rich and famous recording stuff in the spare bedroom...I do this because it's what I need to save my own soul...if it costs me the price of a used car in the process I'll consider it a bargain.
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manning1
Banned
fojar
yes this is a HOME RECORDING site , and thats the point i was trying to make. compared to the past , even budget equipment TODAY lets anyone achieve a quality that probably would have been considered quite above home recording in the past.
in the past HR was a little portastudio cassette 4 track.
today its a smorgasboard of delights.
ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY is achieve a balance.
i'm not trying to hurt ANYONE. just the OPPOSITE. i'm trying to
stop folks from getting hurt. its a pity governments dont just run free recording centers for folks with little money to record their talents.
i'll give you one interesting statistic. on some of my soundclick songs i used as an experiment diy preamps, on others i used
4 track portastudio preamps and on other songs high end console preamps. on some songs cheap mics on others expensive. some using cheap sound cards others using 2inch pro.
there is no correlation from my playback stats and emails from around the world on which songs folks liked vis a vis equipment quality.the only commonality is whether i wrote a good song or not. one of my songs thats had lots of plays was done on a 4 track portastudio,
yes this is a HOME RECORDING site , and thats the point i was trying to make. compared to the past , even budget equipment TODAY lets anyone achieve a quality that probably would have been considered quite above home recording in the past.
in the past HR was a little portastudio cassette 4 track.
today its a smorgasboard of delights.
ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY is achieve a balance.
i'm not trying to hurt ANYONE. just the OPPOSITE. i'm trying to
stop folks from getting hurt. its a pity governments dont just run free recording centers for folks with little money to record their talents.
i'll give you one interesting statistic. on some of my soundclick songs i used as an experiment diy preamps, on others i used
4 track portastudio preamps and on other songs high end console preamps. on some songs cheap mics on others expensive. some using cheap sound cards others using 2inch pro.
there is no correlation from my playback stats and emails from around the world on which songs folks liked vis a vis equipment quality.the only commonality is whether i wrote a good song or not. one of my songs thats had lots of plays was done on a 4 track portastudio,
joro
The Pie Guy
Well.....that does it for me man.....
I quit......
no more writing or recording for me,.....
the harsh realities of the biz are just to much for me man...
it was a nice two years.......
anyone want to buy any of my gear?
guits and all are for sale...
so is the house...
and the car....
I am gonna go roam the streets for a while....
later....
joro
I quit......
no more writing or recording for me,.....
the harsh realities of the biz are just to much for me man...
it was a nice two years.......
anyone want to buy any of my gear?
guits and all are for sale...
so is the house...
and the car....
I am gonna go roam the streets for a while....
later....
joro
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theshaggyfreak
New member
I know quite a few musicians personally who record and SELL albums that they laid down in their home studio. IMHO, music should be made for the sake of music and not for the all mighty dollar. That's just one humble mans opinion, though.
wheelema
Boner-obo
Setting reasonable expectations is an achievement that few children can accomplish. Gear Pimps (PMI, Mackie, et. al.) manufacture (whether through contracts or personally) what they think will sell. The motivations of their customers are not their concern.
Yes, there are a lot of children (and I use the term 'children' very loosely herein) who look at the success that others have engendered and scream 'that could be me!' (to rip off a country song). I personally believe that Hip Hop wannabes are specially prone to this. I mean, if my neighbor Snoop Doggy Dog (neighbor to the extent that we are both from Long Beach) can make it, it would seem that anybody with talent could make it!
The tragic truth is that the world is overflowing with talent! There may be hundreds of thousands of artists every bit as good as Snoop Dog. Not 1/10 of 1% will ever have a shot at the level of success that puts one on par with Snoop Dog. If someone wants to sink $20K into a home studio trying to become the next Big Thing, I may be an asshole and step on their dream, or I may be philosophical and shrug.
Like I've said, I'm just here for the kids. Though not into Hip Hop (thank God!), their dreams are no different. I may step on them more since I've had what I believe to be a bit more than my fair share of the bitterness that life hands out, and I've been in the Industry enough to know the knives and exploitation that await therein, but I am not going to deny them. They want to sing? I'll help them.
And if I can help anybody else while I climb this ridiculous learning curve, then that's all to the good too.
I believe that the music industry is morphing dramatically. And I believe that computer based recording is why. My favorite songs were recorded from the late fifties to the late eighties. I know that I can buy the technical infrastructure that made those recordings possible for under $10K, which personally I find un-fucking-believable. No longer do you NEED to be 'discovered'. Your music may never sell any further afield than the local swap meet, but isn't that better than nothing at all?
Yes, there are a lot of children (and I use the term 'children' very loosely herein) who look at the success that others have engendered and scream 'that could be me!' (to rip off a country song). I personally believe that Hip Hop wannabes are specially prone to this. I mean, if my neighbor Snoop Doggy Dog (neighbor to the extent that we are both from Long Beach) can make it, it would seem that anybody with talent could make it!
The tragic truth is that the world is overflowing with talent! There may be hundreds of thousands of artists every bit as good as Snoop Dog. Not 1/10 of 1% will ever have a shot at the level of success that puts one on par with Snoop Dog. If someone wants to sink $20K into a home studio trying to become the next Big Thing, I may be an asshole and step on their dream, or I may be philosophical and shrug.
Like I've said, I'm just here for the kids. Though not into Hip Hop (thank God!), their dreams are no different. I may step on them more since I've had what I believe to be a bit more than my fair share of the bitterness that life hands out, and I've been in the Industry enough to know the knives and exploitation that await therein, but I am not going to deny them. They want to sing? I'll help them.
And if I can help anybody else while I climb this ridiculous learning curve, then that's all to the good too.
I believe that the music industry is morphing dramatically. And I believe that computer based recording is why. My favorite songs were recorded from the late fifties to the late eighties. I know that I can buy the technical infrastructure that made those recordings possible for under $10K, which personally I find un-fucking-believable. No longer do you NEED to be 'discovered'. Your music may never sell any further afield than the local swap meet, but isn't that better than nothing at all?
A Reel Person
It's Too Funky in Here!!!
Hey Suckaz!
Who said you need a computer, DAW, expensive preamp or expensive mic to do home recording? You don't!
And, who's the FUCK who said 4-track Portastudios were a dead issue, or past tense? They're not!
There are plenty of people doing great home recordings on simple, inexpensive setups, primarily being 4-track Portastudios, discrete analog mixers & analog reel recorders!
To imply anything else is a bold faced lie,... SUCKAZ!
Who said you need a computer, DAW, expensive preamp or expensive mic to do home recording? You don't!
And, who's the FUCK who said 4-track Portastudios were a dead issue, or past tense? They're not!
There are plenty of people doing great home recordings on simple, inexpensive setups, primarily being 4-track Portastudios, discrete analog mixers & analog reel recorders!
To imply anything else is a bold faced lie,... SUCKAZ!
wheelema
Boner-obo
Re: Hey Suckaz!
Down boy! DOWN! Damn it, I said DOWN!!
Well! Someone had their Wheaties!A Reel Person said:
Down boy! DOWN! Damn it, I said DOWN!!
distortedrumble
all up in yo grill!
all that anger and yelling. i would consider the standalone tape portastudio a little outdated but i wouldnt say that it isnt useful.
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manning1
Banned
whay i find a shame
what i find a shame is all the local talent ive seen, over the many years ive been recording , and unforunately it never gets heard by the world at large over the airwaves . at the same time the consumer is yearning for new acts. i'm sure its the same in everyone on heres local artists. a lot of talent out there not being heard. even if they put examples of their talent up on the internet , often it lies fallow because a lot of people are just too lazy to go to the sites and search through songs.
what i find a shame is all the local talent ive seen, over the many years ive been recording , and unforunately it never gets heard by the world at large over the airwaves . at the same time the consumer is yearning for new acts. i'm sure its the same in everyone on heres local artists. a lot of talent out there not being heard. even if they put examples of their talent up on the internet , often it lies fallow because a lot of people are just too lazy to go to the sites and search through songs.
wheelema
Boner-obo
It's not just that people are too lazy to seek music out, artists are not able to pound the pavement 24x7 selling their efforts. That was the beauty of radio.
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jwb
New member
Hey how bout this - it's a lot of peoples hobby along with a lot of children being supported musicly by their parents. This is a good thing! It promotes a good road as opposed to a bad road. I know I would rather spend 4k and keep my kids at home in the studio instead of running the streets. And BTW there are 100 of thousands of music fans that would take a demo from a low budget home studio and original music over the over blow so called commercial cookie cutter shit that just keeps coming out of the conveyor. You are in on the ground floor to view this muscical revolution in progress....so enjoy!
peace
peace
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akpcep
New member
The reason I'm getting into home recording is because I HAVE spent big bucks in reputable studios, with professional engineers, and I still didn't like the results!
Music is a very personal thing, especially when you're a songwriter. I want complete control over what people hear from me. I don't want to make excuses like "yeah, it IS a shame about that snare sound but never mind".
Plus - it's so much easier to be creative when you're not staring at the clock and watching £200 an hour slip out of your wallet.
If you ask me recording music is just as creative as writing it. And just as you can write a great song on a beat up £10 acoustic guitar, you can write one on a £1500 LP Standard. It just depends what kind of disposable income you have and how "into" it you are.
Just my 2p.
Music is a very personal thing, especially when you're a songwriter. I want complete control over what people hear from me. I don't want to make excuses like "yeah, it IS a shame about that snare sound but never mind".
Plus - it's so much easier to be creative when you're not staring at the clock and watching £200 an hour slip out of your wallet.
If you ask me recording music is just as creative as writing it. And just as you can write a great song on a beat up £10 acoustic guitar, you can write one on a £1500 LP Standard. It just depends what kind of disposable income you have and how "into" it you are.
Just my 2p.
O
OBCD
New member
lo-fi
I think more and more people are rediscovering music. You know, the whole big budget, big dollars sound isn't everything, hence this website.
When I used to listen to old cassettes, the sound could get dirty from me overubbing 10 times on the same tape, but the music itself was still bangin!
There's one artist I like that you might know. He has a very particulate sound (to me). So personal. His album was recorded in his bedroom just like many of us and it sounds very special, very intimate. As if a friend had recorded a tape just for you.
His name is Cody ChestnuTT. Check him out if you dig that lo-fi sound.
I think more and more people are rediscovering music. You know, the whole big budget, big dollars sound isn't everything, hence this website.
When I used to listen to old cassettes, the sound could get dirty from me overubbing 10 times on the same tape, but the music itself was still bangin!
There's one artist I like that you might know. He has a very particulate sound (to me). So personal. His album was recorded in his bedroom just like many of us and it sounds very special, very intimate. As if a friend had recorded a tape just for you.
His name is Cody ChestnuTT. Check him out if you dig that lo-fi sound.