New behringer mixers

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dinorocker said:
Behringer obviously benefits from the Chinese mass manufacturing by being able to offer stuff at low prices, just as Mackie benefits from its "Made in the USA" position and greater quality control, albeit making them more expensive.
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You can check me on this, but I'm certain that Mackie issued a statement over a year ago, maybe two years ago, that they were laying off and closing their USA manufacturing entirely, and moving manufacturing overseas.
 
Bugsi said:
You can check me on this, but I'm certain that Mackie issued a statement over a year ago, maybe two years ago, that they were laying off and closing their USA manufacturing entirely, and moving manufacturing overseas.
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That is entirely possible, and I too recall seeing such a release. However, from what I understand, component manufacture is done outside the USA, but the final product is assembled and QC'd in the USA, which should allow them to legally claim "Made in the USA", albeit involving greater overheads.

Behringer gets the entire product manufactured and assembled in China.

I haven't seen a recently manufactured Mackie mixer, but the ones that I have all have a prominent "Made in the USA" tag on them, and more than one person I know chose Mackie for the "great American quality".

Whatever it may be - there is no denying that the Mackies do tend to be of greater quality, but if you are willing to make some compromises, the Behringers usually represent excellent value for money, especially for people just getting into this field.
 
I dont think its where its made that is as important as to what compoments are used
 
altitude909 said:
I dont think its where its made that is as important as to what compoments are used
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I'd disagree with that, but that becomes an entirely different discussion. :)
 
dinorocker said:
I'd disagree with that, but that becomes an entirely different discussion. :)
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Consider this: Most American made cars are crappy rustbuckets that lose their value the moment you purchase one. Yet, their foreign counterparts, such as Honda and Toyota are ten times the vehicle, and hold their value much better, because they are better built than the "Made in USA" ones. I think "Made in the USA" is way overrated, as are the Unions who are responsible for this mess.

BTW, nice forum, and this is my first post. I'm not trying to insult anyone, just making a point that "Made in USA" is not always a good thing.
 
lexridge said:
Consider this: Most American made cars are crappy rustbuckets that lose their value the moment you purchase one. Yet, their foreign counterparts, such as Honda and Toyota are ten times the vehicle, and hold their value much better, because they are better built than the "Made in USA" ones. I think "Made in the USA" is way overrated, as are the Unions who are responsible for this mess.

BTW, nice forum, and this is my first post. I'm not trying to insult anyone, just making a point that "Made in USA" is not always a good thing.
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My Honda was made in the USA.
 
scrubs said:
My Honda was made in the USA.
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....from japanese parts?

My Honda RL was built in Canada. Point is, Honda factories are not unionized, and neither are Toyota's. These are two of the finest built auto brands in the world.

Behringer is cheap (cost) stuff. Which is partly why I purchased it. I cannot afford a $1k mackie, when I get the same thing from Behringer for much less.

I've got both a 1204 mixer and a MCF2000. I've had both for no more than 24hrs before I ripped into them (to see what I could hack). There is nothing wrong with the way these things are built. The only thing I hated was the massive amounts of glue they pour on their plug connectors and socketed chips.
 
Hi....I have a behringer 4 x headphone amp and a couple of Mic 100 valve pre-amps....all boxes...absolutely buttetproof....... I used to work in a music store and they all came back...Marshall/Fender/Roland/Yamaha/Korg/Ibanez....all the top end brands have problems....unless you've been there....you wouldn't believe it........all of this stuff no matter what the brand... is cheap nasty and mass produced......only the ones that have a reasonable quality control and they check maybe one in every 1000 or so get a reasonable reputation...meaning they get less send backs than others........if you get a good one of anything...consider yourself lucky.....not clever because you spent more bucks.......
 
mawd said:
Hi....I have a behringer 4 x headphone amp and a couple of Mic 100 valve pre-amps....all boxes...absolutely buttetproof....... I used to work in a music store and they all came back...Marshall/Fender/Roland/Yamaha/Korg/Ibanez....all the top end brands have problems....unless you've been there....you wouldn't believe it........all of this stuff no matter what the brand... is cheap nasty and mass produced......only the ones that have a reasonable quality control and they check maybe one in every 1000 or so get a reasonable reputation...meaning they get less send backs than others........if you get a good one of anything...consider yourself lucky.....not clever because you spent more bucks.......
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What in the world are you talking about? :confused:
 
MISTERQCUE said:
What in the world are you talking about? :confused:
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I gathered that what was meant is that no matter what brand you buy, it's all junk and will break down.

To that I say :rolleyes:

Well mawd, I guess the Yamaha MX mixer I got back in the mid 90's (which has been gigged extensively and works just as the day I bought it) is one of those 1 in 1000 that were checked :rolleyes: My lucky break.

Now mawd, are we talking about newer manufactured gear, or can I go back to the 1980's and bring up more examples of gear that I own that still works just fine? My Peavey amp from 1987...my Yamaha DX7s from the late 80's?
 
I gathered that what was meant is that no matter what brand you buy, it's all junk and will break down.
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* All mass produced is good, better, best......the circuit board stamped 0001
will be better than the one stamped 1000 simply because dies and stampers etc wear along the process.....get two consective serial numers....eg: 545 and 546 and they will be both be different.....chances are one will be better than the other.....and so it goes.....right through the mass production process.......change of shift....hand soldered stuff...I've seen hard-wired
boxes come through the store.....not even soldered...probably a chasnge of shift.....12-18 shifts....people get tired doing the same thing over and over...... I'm not criticising this....it's simply the way it is.......
NOTE: always fill out that warranty card.......
 
I wonder why behringer did'nt put inserts or direct outs on the new boards. I would think they would have learned something from their last series of boards.
 
altitude909 said:
And when you are overwelmed with hiss, noisey everything, failing parts and a cruel joke of a warrenty system is it worth it? I doubt it. Just starting out and broke? Buy used gear

Every piece of Beh gear I have used (I run alot of sound boards) has been horrible. The noise floor through there analog gear is almost twice as high as anything else and all their gear degrades quickly under normal club environments. I know ppl that have had that Pioneer clone for less than a month before it started acting up.

Offering a fairly complex device as a USB mixer (usb no less) is asking for problems. If they cant get a easy analog device like a compressor to work right, why should I ever expect them to have a working USB audio interface. I would REALLY like to know how they plan to have 24 channels sent via USB
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I think your a (no offense) ignorant fool.

I have made tracks on my 'Behringer Studio' that have better quality and less noise than in studios ive recorded in with massive protools rigs and expensive preamps.

Its not what you spend on yoru gear, its how much you know and how much time you are willing to spend. This arguement comes up so many times in threads, and really the evidence is in the work... my work sounds professional so who gives a damn what I used... you $$$$$ guys just never learn...
 
technominds said:
I think your a (no offense) ignorant fool.

I have made tracks on my 'Behringer Studio' that have better quality and less noise than in studios ive recorded in with massive protools rigs and expensive preamps.

Its not what you spend on yoru gear, its how much you know and how much time you are willing to spend. This arguement comes up so many times in threads, and really the evidence is in the work... my work sounds professional so who gives a damn what I used... you $$$$$ guys just never learn...
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I'm not sure I agree with your argument entirely ... but dude, I just went to your website and you have a LOT of talent! I'd like your production style a little more like Jason Mraz and a little less like Westlife (:eek:). Listen to some Mraz, John Mayer's first album and you should hear something I think would use your voice better.

Good luck mate,

Nik
 
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