mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
hey sabb...here's another one of those "cool threads" you wanted to start!!! ha! Seems like we're off and running.....
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Mistral
RyosaMusic
thanks for a response indicative fully of the type of person you are.. for someone who's been mixing "longer than I've been alive" I'd expect a little more maturity.. ego? you are seriously one arrogant fuck saying I have an ego after that display. I couldn't give a shit how long you've been mixing or what you've done.. you just don't rip on someone like you just did. and if you think you WERE being polite I think you need a serious reality check. I strive for perfection absolutely, why else would I post a mix for fucking feedback.. so I can find out what needs to be improved! as other people pointed out the drums need to be punchier, but they didn't write it like I'm some ameteur fool who doesn't have a clue about what he's doing. That's where you failed, I'm afraid. and it shows especially now that I see the full extent of your arrogance. have a nice day, mr. bigshot.
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
yeah...go back to play...the recess bell just rang. and the ripping...seems like you started it and invited more to come back your way. Now go twiddle your little mixer and work with your "kick ass little band" maybe it'll calm your nerves
maybe it'll calm your nerves
B.SABBATH
New member
DUDES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!STOP THE INSANITY !!!!!!!!!!
Mistral - just keep in mind people are doing you a favor when they hear your tunes.....that's it........and don't let it get to you........it's quite funny sometimes.
mixmkr - have a nice day!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!Mistral - just keep in mind people are doing you a favor when they hear your tunes.....that's it........and don't let it get to you........it's quite funny sometimes
.mixmkr - have a nice day!!!!!
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
B.SABBATH said:........it's quite funny sometimes
you got that right!!
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Mistral
RyosaMusic
Re: Re: Mixing my first album for another band.. feedback please
this is another prime example. you belittle others, whether or not they insulted you in some way, but especially when they don't take kindly to your approach to critiquing music.
I don't care whether people are brutally honest, in fact it's best if they are, but there's a tactful way to go about it. If you want me to lighten up, try not insulting my abilities when you don't even have a clue just how far this mix has come to begin with. it was a rather rushed recording in certain areas but I feel they have a lot of talent and regardless, the cd will gain some recognition in these circles.
you curious? here, I will show you the recording/mixing job they had when I accepted.. link coming.
mixmkr said:
oh...and I see you know how to "master" too...what a joke.
this is another prime example. you belittle others, whether or not they insulted you in some way, but especially when they don't take kindly to your approach to critiquing music.
I don't care whether people are brutally honest, in fact it's best if they are, but there's a tactful way to go about it. If you want me to lighten up, try not insulting my abilities when you don't even have a clue just how far this mix has come to begin with. it was a rather rushed recording in certain areas but I feel they have a lot of talent and regardless, the cd will gain some recognition in these circles.
you curious? here, I will show you the recording/mixing job they had when I accepted.. link coming.
B.SABBATH
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B.SABBATH said:DUDES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!STOP THE INSANITY
Mistral - just keep in mind people are doing you a favor when they hear your tunes.....that's it........and don't let it get to you........it's quite funny sometimes
mixmkr - have a nice day!!!!!
I agree!!!!
With one added point.....If you want your ass kissed, play it for your girlfriend, mom, dad, etc.....If you want to hear the truth...play it for strangers who will tell you exactly what they felt when they did you the favor of commenting....
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Mistral
RyosaMusic
here you go.
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
I'd don't need to listen to your proof. So you're proud of what you did...great. And, we'll let the resident pros judge your mastering job..should they care to comment and listen to your mix. But, I wouldn't be supprised if they just skip over the whole post because of the bullshit that seems to have taken over your thread. I'm sorry for that, and I should probably let peoples attacks on me slide by in the future, because it doesn't really bother me....as much as it seems to upset you. This shouldn't be a flame wars thread, but some 'to the fact' discussions on mixing, etc. Save yourself some effort and don't put up some crappy recording that you helped. It's not really necessary...really.
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Mistral
RyosaMusic
B.SABBATH said:
I agree!!!!
With one added point.....If you want your ass kissed, play it for your girlfriend, mom, dad, etc.....If you want to hear the truth...play it for strangers who will tell you exactly what they felt when they did you the favor of commenting....
ass kissing isn't of any relevance here.. you like it, that's fine, that's probably cause you are a fan of the style to begin with.
I've visited these forums long enough to know how things are done, and I know feedback can be given without being an ass.. it's like you not only accept it, you encourage it. and yet, if someone becomes annoyed with that, they're at fault. Is it because they are the ones under the microscope so to speak? It just seems to me people think they can talk however the hell they want just because they are the ones offering their advice/opinions. but that shit doesn't fly with me, sorry.
B.SABBATH
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I respect your opinion and will not respond on THIS thread again
and mixmkr, you shouldn't really fire back as hard dude...... I have the same problem ... but I'm working on it....as seen in this thread.
and mixmkr, you shouldn't really fire back as hard dude...... I have the same problem ... but I'm working on it....as seen in this thread.
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Mistral
RyosaMusic
mixmkr said:
you're right that it shouldn't be as much of an issue as it was made out to be, but it doesn't really seem my response to your initial post warranted that kind of defense of your godly status at the helm of a mixer as compared to mine.. I personally don't set out to compare myself to others, I'm sorry if you do feel that need. If you want to talk facts then you'll listen to the demo because the facts are right there, before and after. This has nothing to do with pride, not mine anyways. So don't try to pigeonhole me in some group of new-wave home recording pricks who think they're the cat's ass. What I do know is that I have taken things for the most part as far as they can go without spending weeks on it. The drums and a few other small things need adjusting, from what I've observed. Once that is done, it's time to move on.
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
Mistral said:
Rather than continueing on with this BS, why don't you [for my benefit apparently] go back to my original post, and tell me how I should have worded it, without being an ass, and get across the points I wanted to say.
I believe it was:
"If the vocals are supposed to be sung, and loud enough to understand ANY lyrics, they don't. The guitars are kinda "fuzzy" to me, and "want to work" because of the synth pad behind it, to let them contrast over.
The snare sounds artificial, for sure, and the drums are low level in general. Actually the guitars are just too loud.
Some "production" would help to bring this more into the "song mold"...if that's important."
I believe I was saying that I couldn't hear the vocals (as sometimes JUST the sound of a voice is what is wanted, and the lyrics aren't AS important. Also, the guitars DID sound fuzzy to me, but they are OK..to some extent, because the synth tracks behind them, complement the tones, when together. My snare comments and drum levels comment seems obvious, and NON-offensive enough...same with the guitar volume. And by production...some people place strong wieght on good production to make it a complete song...others don't, and feel the music is enough.
Was that really offensive?? Personally, I don't think so...and I think you're being a little too fragile and sensitive. Hopefully, everyone you deal with will be careful not to step on your toes in the future, but I've gotten slammed ALOT harder than this, with stuff that I thought was perfect from my standpoint, with people that knew a hell of a lot more than I did...and I gained from it. (I sold my NS10's
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B.SABBATH
New member
mixmkr!!!!
You made me have to comment again after I said I wasn't.....I meant to say once the crap starts flying don't fire back sooo hard........NOT on your thoughts of the music or your *initial* critique........ya feelin' this??
and NOW I wont respond on THIS thread again....and I mean it this time!!
You made me have to comment again after I said I wasn't.....I meant to say once the crap starts flying don't fire back sooo hard........NOT on your thoughts of the music or your *initial* critique........ya feelin' this??
and NOW I wont respond on THIS thread again....and I mean it this time!!
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
Mistral said:
you're right that it shouldn't be as much of an issue as it was made out to be, but it doesn't really seem my response to your initial post warranted that kind of defense of your godly status at the helm of a mixer as compared to mine.. I personally don't set out to compare myself to others, I'm sorry if you do feel that need.
Gee...it seems to me, your sarcastic remarks started out like this:
mixmkr: I see you like to use flashy "buzzwords" and phrases, as if people here don't understand what you're "saying" without them. Gee.. "production" eh? is that different from production?
I don't know what kind of music you listen to, but I suspect it's radio pop swimming in verbs and fancy compressors and tuned to perfection...
you're right...I'M to sensitive!! sorry...I should have just told you to fuck off, and been done with it!
Actually, my Jack Russell wants to go run in the woods. We'll catch up later...
no feelings hurt...peace.
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Mistral
RyosaMusic
mixmkr said:
Rather than continueing on with this BS, why don't you [for my benefit apparently] go back to my original post, and tell me how I should have worded it, without being an ass, and get across the points I wanted to say.
I believe it was:
"If the vocals are supposed to be sung, and loud enough to understand ANY lyrics, they don't. The guitars are kinda "fuzzy" to me, and "want to work" because of the synth pad behind it, to let them contrast over.
The snare sounds artificial, for sure, and the drums are low level in general. Actually the guitars are just too loud.
Some "production" would help to bring this more into the "song mold"...if that's important."
I believe I was saying that I couldn't hear the vocals (as sometimes JUST the sound of a voice is what is wanted, and the lyrics aren't AS important. Also, the guitars DID sound fuzzy to me, but they are OK..to some extent, because the synth tracks behind them, complement the tones, when together. My snare comments and drum levels comment seems obvious, and NON-offensive enough...same with the guitar volume. And by production...some people place strong wieght on good production to make it a complete song...others don't, and feel the music is enough.
Was that really offensive?? Personally, I don't think so...and I think you're being a little too fragile and sensitive. Hopefully, everyone you deal with will be careful not to step on your toes in the future, but I've gotten slammed ALOT harder than this, with stuff that I thought was perfect from my standpoint, with people that knew a hell of a lot more than I did...and I gained from it. (I sold my NS10's
it's not that your initial comments were all that harsh, you'll notice I was mainly expressing sarcasm at your excessive quoting where it was not the least bit needed, like "production". ridiculous really. I don't really understand where you're coming from about the vocals since everyone else who has heard it not only hears them well but can tell me exactly what is being sung. I also didn't know how to interpret "if they were SUPPOSED to be sung", what else would they be? I can only interpret this as saying the singer sucks. Which isn't an attack on me of course but I saw it as unnecessary nonetheless. correct me if I'm wrong naturally. point is simply that I replied sarcastically and then it snowballed from there. Your rebuttle is what really peeved me the most, it's not at all that I can't take criticism. Cause that is obviously a part of why I come to this forum.
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rbw87
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Re: Re: Re: Mixing my first album for another band.. feedback please
If you ask for a critique,you cant dictate the methods in which every single person critiques your work.I didnt see one thing in mixmkr's first post that belittled you in any way.I think he used the " " as a highlighter to point out what really needed working on.
You seemed to have read between the lines and made more out of it than what was really there.
Did you post this to get a pat on the back from a bunch of "yes Men"?Im sure you didnt if you really wanted to hear what ideas people had about the mix.
I told a guy his song sucked ahwile back and caused a whole stir of crap for a few days,but now that I think about it,people need to hear the truth when something sounds like crap.At least they'll know that there will be a certain percentage of people out there that will think it sounds like crap too.
I wouldnt make more out of mixmkr's first post than what it is.I see the flames have flown since that first post,but hey,it's just a message board with differing opinions from all walks of life.You dont have to take any of this crap to heart.
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Mistral said:
If you ask for a critique,you cant dictate the methods in which every single person critiques your work.I didnt see one thing in mixmkr's first post that belittled you in any way.I think he used the " " as a highlighter to point out what really needed working on.
You seemed to have read between the lines and made more out of it than what was really there.
Did you post this to get a pat on the back from a bunch of "yes Men"?Im sure you didnt if you really wanted to hear what ideas people had about the mix.
I told a guy his song sucked ahwile back and caused a whole stir of crap for a few days,but now that I think about it,people need to hear the truth when something sounds like crap.At least they'll know that there will be a certain percentage of people out there that will think it sounds like crap too.
I wouldnt make more out of mixmkr's first post than what it is.I see the flames have flown since that first post,but hey,it's just a message board with differing opinions from all walks of life.You dont have to take any of this crap to heart.
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RyosaMusic
Just a couple of last things I'd like to comment on.. In a non offensive manner, understand.
Obviously you're not aware that "production" can be done at the mixing stage, as well with vocal levels, and as well with overly harsh, fuzzy guitar sounds.
I suppose that is why I spent a substantial amount of time treating their guitar sound to begin with. Once again, have a listen to that demo. So I disagree that it's "really really unecessary". Might show you that I actually do know a thing or two. Which should say something considering I've only done this for a few years total. Their guitar recording seriously licked. There comes a point as I'm sure you must know that a guitar simply can't sound much better for what was recorded, even with treatment. Given the very multilayered arrangement of the song I had to make room to seperate the instruments as much as possible and have them cut through enough in key spots, etc. the harshness you hear in the guitars is probably that they don't have a whole lot of mids, which is a staple sound in metal to begin with. I personally in my recordings prefer to have more mid/body in there on the rhythms, but in this instance it competed too much with the synths, etc.
And yes, I listen to radio pop, swimming in verbs..as you alluded to, ALONG with a shitload of other styles too. And yes...I try to get my mixes "tuned to perfection"...something apparently your home studio is unable to do.
You misunderstood what I meant when I said "tuned to perfection". We were talking about vocals. I'll agree that his performance was not exactly perfect. I brought this up with the band as a result. The choruses are still up in the air actually as far as how they will sound before we say "it's done", because we considered that I sing the choruses and they have their female vocalist back me up. Or it could go in a different direction altogether. Anyways point is, I was simply implying that you probably are used to radio friendly mixes with everything sounding very processed and standing out immensely. Hey. I like it too. But I feel those particular vocals don't sit well standing out in a mix. Have to do what compliments the overall song best.
Obviously you're not aware that "production" can be done at the mixing stage, as well with vocal levels, and as well with overly harsh, fuzzy guitar sounds.
I suppose that is why I spent a substantial amount of time treating their guitar sound to begin with. Once again, have a listen to that demo. So I disagree that it's "really really unecessary". Might show you that I actually do know a thing or two. Which should say something considering I've only done this for a few years total. Their guitar recording seriously licked. There comes a point as I'm sure you must know that a guitar simply can't sound much better for what was recorded, even with treatment. Given the very multilayered arrangement of the song I had to make room to seperate the instruments as much as possible and have them cut through enough in key spots, etc. the harshness you hear in the guitars is probably that they don't have a whole lot of mids, which is a staple sound in metal to begin with. I personally in my recordings prefer to have more mid/body in there on the rhythms, but in this instance it competed too much with the synths, etc.
And yes, I listen to radio pop, swimming in verbs..as you alluded to, ALONG with a shitload of other styles too. And yes...I try to get my mixes "tuned to perfection"...something apparently your home studio is unable to do.
You misunderstood what I meant when I said "tuned to perfection". We were talking about vocals. I'll agree that his performance was not exactly perfect. I brought this up with the band as a result. The choruses are still up in the air actually as far as how they will sound before we say "it's done", because we considered that I sing the choruses and they have their female vocalist back me up. Or it could go in a different direction altogether. Anyways point is, I was simply implying that you probably are used to radio friendly mixes with everything sounding very processed and standing out immensely. Hey. I like it too. But I feel those particular vocals don't sit well standing out in a mix. Have to do what compliments the overall song best.
dtb
Well-known member
WOW, you guys are killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, B.S., here it is agian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
have a nice day!!!!!
dtb
Hey, B.S., here it is agian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
have a nice day!!!!!
dtb
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CyanJaguar
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the only problems I had were
the bass is not speaking to me in a commanding tone. It needs punch and level
The kick is not speaking in its commanding tone.
The vocals are quite buried..
I really like the midrange clarity though.
the bass is not speaking to me in a commanding tone. It needs punch and level
The kick is not speaking in its commanding tone.
The vocals are quite buried..
I really like the midrange clarity though.