crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
chrisharris said:
Turned a new leaf, has he? I read it too. Ever heard of the game called cat and mouse?
Turned a new leaf, has he? I read it too. Ever heard of the game called cat and mouse?
dtb
Well-known member
good thread Slack, good advice. I don't get upset when someone slams my tunz in the rude way. I just go to my basement and cry until I get over it. he he eh ehe heheheh eh eh eyhhehheh e
Kramer
Well-known member
Re: Re: Mixing Clinic Reviewer Guidelines
If you critiqued people in the "real world" the way you do on the net you would be toting a new asswhooping every day huh.
If you critiqued people in the "real world" the way you do on the net you would be toting a new asswhooping every day huh.
dafduc
New member
Re: Sticky Mixing Clinic
Man, you're supposed to wash up first...
Man, you're supposed to wash up first...
Slackmaster2K
Gone
Listen up guys, my post doesn't tell you how to constructively critique a mix. Bruce, you're right, people should expect criticism. You're also right on your last point, that you would never make an issue of "artistic merit". See, it's pretty much common sense.
You tell someone to "set all faders to 0" or to give up on music or anything of the sort and you will hear from me. That is why AC and SC were banned.
Critic guy, you were initially just warned via PM. Then the next day this "amazing_critic" shows up, and still no response from you. At that time I decided to ban both of your accounts, or just your accounts if you're the same person. I wasn't going to wait around while you (or the two of you) blew out another collective 75 posts in 48 hours and started flame wars in who knows how many threads.
I'm not going to ban you now for coming back, let's just keep our comments productive in this forum. If you can't do this while expressing yourself, then it's your problem, not everyone elses.
Slackmaster 2000
You tell someone to "set all faders to 0" or to give up on music or anything of the sort and you will hear from me. That is why AC and SC were banned.
Critic guy, you were initially just warned via PM. Then the next day this "amazing_critic" shows up, and still no response from you. At that time I decided to ban both of your accounts, or just your accounts if you're the same person. I wasn't going to wait around while you (or the two of you) blew out another collective 75 posts in 48 hours and started flame wars in who knows how many threads.
I'm not going to ban you now for coming back, let's just keep our comments productive in this forum. If you can't do this while expressing yourself, then it's your problem, not everyone elses.
Slackmaster 2000
chrisharris
King of Bling
Yeah, but...lol; I called him a cumfunnel before I saw it. I think I'm going for the "positive reinforcement" approach, lol.crawdad said:
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
Can I add a serious note to this thread?
Well I'm gonna anyway.
Where does the "level" of one's ability come into play in this? IOW, what standards are we judging ourselves by?
For ex., if I told you my daughter was able to stay within the lines in her coloring book, some of you might say that was great. When I admitted that she's 25 years old, you might feel "great" was a bit of an overstatement. Staying within the lines is great for a 3 year old; not so great for a 25 year old.
So, is the standard we use here a "professionally recorded, mixed and mastered song?" If so, I think we all have been a bit generous in our comments over the years. However, if the standard is a piece of music created in a basement by a hobbyist who had to play all the instruments himself, all while doing their own recording, mixing and mastering, than I think we have some of the best caliber people around.
I don't mind being held up to professional standards - even though that's not what I am, or even striving to be. But it does give me a yardstick to compare myself against. The problem is that when someone comments on your mix, you really don't know what standard they are using.
BTW, I don't have the answer to any of this. Just some fuel for thought. What standard do we/should we hold ourselves up to? And how do we allow for/encourage those just starting out?
Well I'm gonna anyway.
Where does the "level" of one's ability come into play in this? IOW, what standards are we judging ourselves by?
For ex., if I told you my daughter was able to stay within the lines in her coloring book, some of you might say that was great. When I admitted that she's 25 years old, you might feel "great" was a bit of an overstatement. Staying within the lines is great for a 3 year old; not so great for a 25 year old.
So, is the standard we use here a "professionally recorded, mixed and mastered song?" If so, I think we all have been a bit generous in our comments over the years. However, if the standard is a piece of music created in a basement by a hobbyist who had to play all the instruments himself, all while doing their own recording, mixing and mastering, than I think we have some of the best caliber people around.
I don't mind being held up to professional standards - even though that's not what I am, or even striving to be. But it does give me a yardstick to compare myself against. The problem is that when someone comments on your mix, you really don't know what standard they are using.
BTW, I don't have the answer to any of this. Just some fuel for thought. What standard do we/should we hold ourselves up to? And how do we allow for/encourage those just starting out?
dobro
Well-known member
"But I don't think putting-up critiquing rules (and Slack, I realize that's not what you're doing here, but that would be the next step!) would make the slightest difference."
I have to disagree with something in what you said here, Bruce. Slack actually banned somebody here. That makes what Slack says a rule. This ain't democracy.
I think three things: first, Supercritic's an arsehole. Just dumping on people's attempts, and not ante-ing up himself. Cutting farts and accusing other people of smelling. Arsehole, in other words.
Second, this is no worse than goes on in other forums. Okay, okay, this clinic is kinda special, and people take emotional *risks* putting stuff up here, and compassion rules. But still and all, rude and provocative posts are part of this bbs.
Finally, this issue could be handled better than banning people right off the bat. Can you remember how long Dragon put up with that other arsehole who was spamming this place before he finally banned him? What was his name... ah! Scott Stambaugh. Yeah, that's the arsehole. Anyway, Dragon was the opposite of a tyrant, and I respect him for it. He had faith in the ability of this board to sort out most of its problems without resorting to policing, although in the end Scott Stambaugh absolutely and insistently forced his hand.
You haven't got even near Dragon, Slack.
Do I get banned now?
I have to disagree with something in what you said here, Bruce. Slack actually banned somebody here. That makes what Slack says a rule. This ain't democracy.
I think three things: first, Supercritic's an arsehole. Just dumping on people's attempts, and not ante-ing up himself. Cutting farts and accusing other people of smelling. Arsehole, in other words.
Second, this is no worse than goes on in other forums. Okay, okay, this clinic is kinda special, and people take emotional *risks* putting stuff up here, and compassion rules. But still and all, rude and provocative posts are part of this bbs.
Finally, this issue could be handled better than banning people right off the bat. Can you remember how long Dragon put up with that other arsehole who was spamming this place before he finally banned him? What was his name... ah! Scott Stambaugh. Yeah, that's the arsehole. Anyway, Dragon was the opposite of a tyrant, and I respect him for it. He had faith in the ability of this board to sort out most of its problems without resorting to policing, although in the end Scott Stambaugh absolutely and insistently forced his hand.
You haven't got even near Dragon, Slack.
Do I get banned now?
Slackmaster2K
Gone
Damn you're being a prick dobro.
Notice how super critic is back now? Golly.
I banned him because there were TWO GUYS *before* I banned anyone who were seriously disrupting threads in the clinic at an enormous rate: over 70 posts in two days. I initially did just warn him (still not convinced it's a them, but that's what the IP's say).
Now he's back, and that's fine...as long as he keeps the out of line shit to a minimum.
And as far as the father time shit, read the BBS rules and you'll find scott's name there.....do I do anything to enforce that rule? No. Reefer is DJ'FINGAZ. Have I done anything about that? No.
The banning of SC was done to solve an immediate problem.
Slackmaster 2000
Notice how super critic is back now? Golly.
I banned him because there were TWO GUYS *before* I banned anyone who were seriously disrupting threads in the clinic at an enormous rate: over 70 posts in two days. I initially did just warn him (still not convinced it's a them, but that's what the IP's say).
Now he's back, and that's fine...as long as he keeps the out of line shit to a minimum.
And as far as the father time shit, read the BBS rules and you'll find scott's name there.....do I do anything to enforce that rule? No. Reefer is DJ'FINGAZ. Have I done anything about that? No.
The banning of SC was done to solve an immediate problem.
Slackmaster 2000
dobro
Well-known member
Did you even *read* my post?
dobro the prick
dobro the prick
Khompewtur
*Retired*
Hahahaha!!! THat is cruel but........funny! Shame on you!!
I'm expecting most posters have acclimated to the "praise inflation" that occurs in here. When somebody calls something great it just means they didn't screw it up, not that it's the 2nd coming of "Bohemian Rhapsody". In addition i think people know in their own minds truly where they stand. No one's opinions about the recordings truly change based on comments from others, but it does change the way we feel about others in personal terms. If you made something great, you feel it. And if it sucks you know it, but sharing is fun and educational.
I think we (usually) turn the knob towards the polite end of the dial because it makes for better neighbors.
Toki987
Rock Steady
"Hell,... I'm my biggest critic around here.... not to mention that I still haven't been able to convince anyone that I can't sing."
WATYF
You can`t, and we are convinced. But it sure do sound good man!
WATYF
You can`t, and we are convinced. But it sure do sound good man!
dafduc
New member
Khompewtur said:
Yeah, it took me a minute to get over that. But it was a worthwhile exercise. Really. It's an ill wind that blows NO good (I'll wait for a minute while y'all write that down).
Even Bohemian Rhapsody had its detractors ("pretentious load o' crap", I seem to remember), there's no way the world's gonna be all sweetness and light if we ever bring our stuff outta the clinic. Even if it's really good, but especially if it's not.
Take yer lumps, people. Part of paying our dues...
Blind Melon Daffy
Khompewtur
*Retired*
Well anybody that said that bout Bohemian is making themselves look like a moron
But to placate the masses .. i shall change this line to read
"When somebody calls something great it just means they didn't screw it up, not that it's the 2nd coming of *____________.
* Insert name of song you think is really good here.
dafduc
New member
But the point is:
There is NO song that floats EVERYONE's boat. Not one.*
NOT that there's anything wrong with BR...
* - Actually, track 6, Hot Shot City, IS especially good
There is NO song that floats EVERYONE's boat. Not one.*
NOT that there's anything wrong with BR...
* - Actually, track 6, Hot Shot City, IS especially good
Khompewtur
*Retired*
Yes i understood that Daf. I was asking each indivdual who reads it to insert their own personal choice.
I'm not even a Bohemian Rhapsody zealot myself, I just threw something I thought would suffice to complete my analogy.
To address a different angle though, I do wonder if there is a point where you can recognize that something was done well even if it doesn't float your boat.
I always hear and read that "Pet Sounds" was a great album. I can't stand the beach boys but I can still not like their music and recognize that they were doing something special.
I'm not even a Bohemian Rhapsody zealot myself, I just threw something I thought would suffice to complete my analogy.
To address a different angle though, I do wonder if there is a point where you can recognize that something was done well even if it doesn't float your boat.
I always hear and read that "Pet Sounds" was a great album. I can't stand the beach boys but I can still not like their music and recognize that they were doing something special.
Blue Bear Sound
New member
Sure you can.... I don't generally listen to RAP on a regular basis, but I can easily judge the overall sound quality and mix balance of a track!Khompewtur said:
dafduc
New member
dafduc said:
Sigh. What's the point of brilliant asides if nobody ever picks up on them...
B.SABBATH
New member
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
fucking dopeheads.......
oh wait, that wasnt constructive......
maybe some of us would be more rooted in reality if we didnt fill our brain with mind altering drugs........
(now pass the shit already....)
oh wait, that wasnt constructive......
maybe some of us would be more rooted in reality if we didnt fill our brain with mind altering drugs........
(now pass the shit already....)