Midiman Delta 1010 ??

[darnold]

ambi - what is the chipset of your motherboard? thats good to know. if it is stable then you shouldnt have too many problems with the deltas.

ap - all the delta line products use the same drivers and basically the same hardware. either way, it should be very simple to sync two 1010s or 66s because you can use the digital in/out for a clock sync.

and i have heard of people using two of them in one computer before without any problems.

danny

 

[ap]

and i have heard of people using two of them in one computer before without any problems.

The problem is more than a little notorious but is only with XP, and I *believe* only with 1010's. Have you not seen the other threads around here and other boards? Maybe I just haven't seen where this problem has been resolved. The spdif workaround's been mentioned in another thread before, but I haven't seen anyone else mention it so I kinda wonder. Even if it works, it's an imperfect solution to turn your 1010 into an 88- not that I ever use SPDIF anyway.

 

[sae]

I have two questions for you 1010 users:

1. What's the difference between the 1010 and the 1010lt?
2. I'm thinking of getting the 1010, I noticed it has all rca inputs and ouputs. do I have to buy converters so I can plug it into the send/receives on my board which are 1/4"?

 

[bdemenil]

You noticed wrong... the 1010, 66 and 44 all have 1/4" balanced inputs/outputs.

 

[moskus]

The Delta 1010LT has RCA connections. Delta 1010 (whitout the LT) has a breakout-box with 1/4" connections...

 

[sae]

are rca connectors really bad? I mean the adaptor means decrease in quality, but i might be able to live with that if the price is DRASTICALLY cheaper

 

[maestro_dmc]

are rca connectors really bad?

Not at all.
It's still just a two conductor connection, just like a 1/4" plug.
You will not be able to have a balanced connection on the 1010lt though, except for the XLR ins which I think are switchable to line level.

I mean the adaptor means decrease in quality, but i might be able to live with that if the price is DRASTICALLY cheaper

I hear this a lot, that adaptors are BAD, but I think it has to do with the quality of cable and adapters you use. And making sure things are plugged in snug. I am curious if the difference in quality is measureable? Either by ear or with a measuring device?
Just genuinely curious.

At any rate, I still think it's better to get the cables with the right connections already on the ends, for reliabilty if nothing else.

 

[sae]

so 1010 it is then I want balanced. I am also debating a motu 12. The 1010 only records 8 tracks at once

 

[bdemenil]

Balanced is way superior to unbalanced - especially in cities and placed with lots of interference. The difference in noise level is often quite audible. The longer the cable, the more of a difference it makes. RCA is bad for this reason.

 

[Hmurray]

The Delta 1010 is a great sound card. I havn't had a problem, it seems to work with just about every kind of software I know of.

 

[sae]

Does anyone know the price difference b/w the 1010lt and the 1010?

I live in a small town so i'm no too worried about interference and the cable would be short

 

[Hawking]

I got my Delta 1010LT from ebay for the low low price of $212 (including shipping). Brand new in the box. The cheapest I've seen the 1010 is about $500. The biggest difference is obviously the balanced inputs on the 1010 vs the unbalanced (RCA) inputs on the LT. For the price difference, the LT is a better bargain. You can get around the balanced issue by using the LT's XLR inputs on channels 1 and 2 if you are only recording 2 tracks at a time. If you are recording a full drum kit, you'll need to use an external mic preamp anyway which means you can keep the unbalanced cable runs short (from mic preamp to 1010LT).

One little quirk about the LT is that the input level adjustement on the XLR inputs (there's only the 2 of them) is a jumper (!@#$) on the card. It is NOT software adjustable. All of the other inputs/outputs are software adjustable. This doesnt really matter for my application, but you might want to think about how many different things you will be plugging into those connectors and what levels those things are running at.

As far as noise and unbalanced signals go...I ran Wavelab and looked at the noise levels with no signal at the inputs. Keep in mind that the rats nest of wires behind my PC isn't a great environment for high quality audio signals. At 24 bit I still have more headroom than any other peice of gear in my studio can use, so a few dB of noise at the floor simply dissapears. If you wind up with hum or buzz or any other noises, there's a slew of methods to get rid of it without making every cable in your studio balanced.

 

[sae]

Keep in mind that the rats nest of wires behind my PC isn't a great environment for high quality audio signals.

That has escaped my mind, very true.

I might look around a bit more because on the midiman website they havet the 1010 MSRP as US$700 (approx) and the LT as US$550 (approx) and new moto 24 is CDN$1100 so I think i'd rather get the motu then

 

[ambi]

Motu 24 huh..any thoughts on this card? I think the Delta 1010 runs for about 850-950 Canadian, or at least at long and; mcquade it does, i THINK it's 850.

so the motu would be about 250 more... worth it?

 

[sae]

I think yes...you get 14 more inputs you can use at once and a fancy light display

The way I see it it's two times the card for only $200 more

 

[ambi]

Wait, do you mean the Motu 24 i/o card?

That is the only card on the website that has a name like Motu 24. And it's not comparable to the delta 1010 because it is a 24 input/output card, and it would cost about $2300-2400 Canadian. Or do you mean the Motu 2408mk3, which has 8 ins and 8 outs and would sell for about $1500-1600 in Canada?


you must have gotten your prices mixed up, its actually about 1550 dollars more, not 250... but i wish!

 

[sae]

are you sure it would cost that much?

I just called my local music store and they said the motu 24 was $1700 and the 1010 was $906...so it's about double.

well I just found out I don't have the money for a motu 24 oh well the 1010 it is

 

[undaddog]

i think there is a difference in the converters on the LT from the 1010 with the breakout box the converts are a little better on the regular 1010 hence thew name 1010 lt "lite " the 1010 has all 1/4 " IO spidif and midi i've used it with pc and mac and never had a problem with it just remember to keep the driver updated midi man has been great about posting them

 

[ambi]

Yea the converters are housed in the breakout box for the delta 1010, which reduces the noise a little bit. I think they're "better", but i don't know if it's actually a different chip or just housed inside of the breakout box.

The LT has the converters on the card. Being inside the machine i guess there is a little extra electronical noise or something along those lines.

People say they can hear a noticable difference going from a delta 44/66 to a delta 1010, but nothing like the difference of going from a SoundBlaster to a delta 44/66.



SAE - The 24 input/output motu card seems to sell for about 1420-1500 US on the big websites like musicians friend and zzounds. If you convert that to Canadian funds it's about 2100-2200 dollars. BUT, things in Canada are always more than the US, so you can add 100, 200, maybe 300 dollars to that. So maybe 2300-2600? I don't know those are rough figures. But i think the firewire motu 896 sells for about 1900 at my local long and mcquade here in Canada so that seems about right for the 24input/output card.

 

[sae]

I got a price for the motu 24 it's in one of the previous posts.

I have pretty much decided on the 1010. How I just have to get my money together. I have already started to save up