mid tone: how important?

[Lopp]

Re: Re: flat eq

A good test to check how yours works is to put all 3 bands of EQ to 0. No sound at all with volume cranked means you've got an active EQ.

That's not necessarily true. No sound at all means that each EQ cuts all the frequencies up to the next EQ. Thus, when all EQ's are at zero, all frequencies are cut. Therefore, no sound.

This has nothing to do with whether an EQ is active or passive. Both active and passive EQ's (filters) can cut a signal down to zero.

The difference between active and passive EQ's is that an active EQ can boost the signal at a selected freqency. A passive EQ can only cut the signal at the selected frequency.

 

[matty_boy]

I should learn how to type

Sorry. My bad. I meant to type that your guitar amp has an active eq, therefore flat is 5-5-5. I have in my (no so limited) experience, never played through an amp with a passive eq, but for all I know, there may be some out there. Just trying to help.

Matty

 

[Roel]

Back to the original topics. I mix alot of live gigs with metal and hardcore bands. And the guitarists with there mids on zero ALL get the same question. Please turn up the mids.

A mixer can take away frequencies, but not add 'em. So it's important, when you play a gig with pa, you NEED mids in the sound.

Another thing to consider, in the most common band setup: bass takes most of the lows, drums (esp. cymbals) take most of the highs. The guitar is basicly the only mid-range instrument. Now if you take out the mids of it, you have to place it together with the bass, kick, toms etc in the lows. That's asking for more trouble than needed... You have to sound good in your band when on stage, not when you're playing on your own at home...

 

[Hard2Hear]

An "Active" guitar amp EQ is NOT what you may normally think of using the word "Active". Check out mrgearhead.net for more detail of the explination.

H2H

 

[Lopp]

Re: I should learn how to type

Sorry. My bad. I meant to type that your guitar amp has an active eq, therefore flat is 5-5-5. I have in my (no so limited) experience, never played through an amp with a passive eq, but for all I know, there may be some out there. Just trying to help.

Matty

Yeah. I've never used an amp with a truly "passive" EQ either.

 

[Lopp]

An "Active" guitar amp EQ is NOT what you may normally think of using the word "Active". Check out mrgearhead.net for more detail of the explination.

H2H,

I'm kinda curious about this. However, the link you provided isn't very specific. Do you know of the location of the explanation?

 

[Khompewtur]

mid tone is a lot more important

now that all the office space in downtown in unusable.


HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAHAHAHAH!!! i am a riot!!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

 

[Hard2Hear]

I hadnt been to the site in a while, and now they redesigned it and I cant find it!!

Anyways, it was kind of saying that an "Active" EQ allows the full signal to route through it on the way to the power amp, and a passive EQ is more like tone modification on the signal, and changes the signal but isn't the signal itself like the active is. Different because in guitar pickups, or speakers, "active" generally referrs to having power. like powered pickups of powered monitors.

I wish I could find it in there, but I remember a long discussion on this last year over at www.fenderforum.com , where this has all been discussed before. If you go there and search their archives, I'm sure you'll find it, I just dont have the time right now!

H2H

 

[tvaillan]

personal breakthrough

after reading the comments in this thread i took a second look at my settings.

I use an ibanez js series with a korg toneworks ax1500g multi effects unit with a rocktron processor... straight into my mixer ... anyhow it really doesn't matter. This should apply to every guitar and setup.

My typical EQ settings where:
lots of treble
lots of bass
low midrange

thousands of 'guitarists' do the same.

I DIDN"T REALIZE .. that EQ's are for corrective reasons and that you don't use the EQ to help you find 'your sound'. 'your sound' should come from your guitar, your fingers and distortion (if you use this) and your fx rack.

I now use the following on my toneworks unit (this would apply to any amp):
treble=50%
bass=50%
mids=60%

The tewakable settings are prescence and gain.

My recorded sound now jumps at you in the mix. My guitar is so 'isolated' now in my mixes that it blew my mind. I didn't just find 'my sound' .. i found my classical sound, my blues sound, my rock sound, my heavy sound ..

Thank you homerecording.com!!!!

 

[surfmaster]

so yesterday i was at my local guitar shop trying out used amps and i ran into this hybrid laney amp which i tried out with a gibson sg. first off, this thing ripped, it was some of the best hardcore tone i have ever found on a 2x12. that was withought tweaking. i had the mids around 6, lows at 6 and highs at 3.5. then i realized there was this little knob that said "enhance" under it. so i turned it up, and it was a mid contour knob. why would a company put a knob like this on such a good amp? its things like that that make people think that scooped tone is the best. that and all those metal master death metal whatever pedals. instead of their amps sounding like they are full of tubes it sounds like they are full of bees.