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I'd probably pick this up as a second one for me if it wasn't in such bad shape cosmetically.
 
Like it, do ya?
I cant believe people here insist that the latest greatest B1 or C1 or SM57 is a better buy when they are able to get a Sennheiser 441 for under $250... mine was $259 off ebay.
Lets see, Nt1000, C1 or 441... think, guys!
Ummm RNP or Bluetube? THINK! These forums have really started to irritate me lately.
Neve 1072 or Art Tube MP?
Geez.
 
Yeah, I like it!
Been kinda busy with the studio as of late, and what with the holidays and all, my studio time has been limited. But what use I have been able to make of this mic has all been good.

For some reason, I always thought this mic was a dynamic.
 
It's OK to be a gear slut but not a gear snob.
 
Lets see, Nt1000, C1 or 441... think, guys!
This one's not a no-brainer. Each of those mics are high-quality and would work equally well in different circumstances.
 
Sorry everyone if my last post seemed rough... (worked outside all day in the snow on my day off... by 2pm I wanted to fight... gotta chill... :o)

But pardon me one last stick in the butt: seems like "THINK" used here means "DON'T THINK, JUST ACT". Using your ears to decide between mics, and education about each mic could both help to make a purchase decision. Who gives a sh*t about conventional wisdom? USE YOUR EARS. Nuff said.
 
yeah...i mean, a 441 is definitely on my list of mics I want to get...

but at the same time, an SM7 is ahead of it...

and I wouldn't trade my C1 for either right now...getting great tracks out of it for what I am doing.
 
wes480 said:
yeah...i mean, a 441 is definitely on my list of mics I want to get...

but at the same time, an SM7 is ahead of it...
Well, I own both, and I don't think I would say one is better than the other, just... different.
Both are great mics though, and its nice to have the choice between the 2. :)

Both are breaking to the basket... Should I pass the ball to Byrd, or Johnson?
Hell, just throw it up there, one of 'em will get it!
:D
 
Hey Mixmkr, you seem to live close enough to swing by and get an education in engineering and mixing, so feel free... and who knows, maybe I'll even put my foot against your ass, too... it would be my pleasure.

My point is... people will get on here and say "my local pawn shop has an sm57 for $90, and a perfect shape Beyer M88 for $100... which would be the better choice for a great versatile dynamic?"

Then, 10 replies that say "Beyer M88!"

2 days later... "well, I decided on the Sm57 because I could save $10.00 and I know in my heart that the SM57 is a better mic"

OR...
10 replies that say "Beyer M88, never heard of it so the SM57 is a no brainer"

It just seems to me that people dont listen after they ask, people offer advice they shouldnt give, and everyone is on the new cheap chinese condensor kick. Sure, there are some decent chinese mics... but no one understands that there are better buys to be had, especially on the used market, and a top of the line dynamic like the 441 is, in my opinion, a much more useful and versatile mic than any cheapo chinese mic that I have run across as of yet.
It just bugs me.
Same thing with the RNP... "is the Bluetube a better all around mic pre since it is tube?" I hardly bother to reply anymore, since I know what they end up buying anyway. Irritating.
 
tubedude, thanks for this thread. I hadn't read much about the Sennheiser 441 here before, but I had read lots on the Sm57, C-1, etc. From what I get from your posts, the 441 is a much better buy, and that is what I am looking for. Never heard of the Beyer M88 either. I am new to all of this so when people told me the chinese condensers were the best buy I figured they were right.
 
Well, its a great mic with lots of uses, but there may be a cheapo radio shack mic that does a better job on something... you never know. As far as quality control goes, the Sennheiser is still hand built/assembled, very high QC, excellent quality thoughout, and its just plain one of the best dynamics on the market. When they can be found used for $225 (they are $700 new and a proven design) then it just seems like a no brainer to me to grab one of those instead of a $200 chinese mic that has a QC problem. It is a very punchy mic, too, and works well for instances where you want something to really have some oomph.
The Beyer M88 is a great mic also, as is the Sennheiser 421.. all dynamics.
I'm not stupid about things either... the MXL603's happen to be pretty nice mics... I have a pair and have considered buying 2 more. For $70 I think they are nicer than an SM57. BUT, if you have a small crappy room, the 603's just seem to pick up way too much of it... in which case the SM57 may become a better choice, who knows til you try it?
Just depends on your needs, really... I think a 441 will go farther and get more use than your average cheapo LD condensor, and for the same price, it just makes more sense to get what you NEED first, and add on to that later, especially when money is an issue and you want to record NOW.
 
tubedude said:
Hey Mixmkr, you seem to live close enough to swing by and get an education in engineering and mixing, so feel free... and who knows, maybe I'll even put my foot against your ass, too... it would be my pleasure.

My point is... people will get on here and say "my local pawn shop has an sm57 for $90, and a perfect shape Beyer M88 for $100... which would be the better choice for a great versatile dynamic?"

Then, 10 replies that say "Beyer M88!"

2 days later... "well, I decided on the Sm57 because I could save $10.00 and I know in my heart that the SM57 is a better mic"

OR...
10 replies that say "Beyer M88, never heard of it so the SM57 is a no brainer"

It just seems to me that people dont listen after they ask, people offer advice they shouldnt give, and everyone is on the new cheap chinese condensor kick. Sure, there are some decent chinese mics... but no one understands that there are better buys to be had, especially on the used market, and a top of the line dynamic like the 441 is, in my opinion, a much more useful and versatile mic than any cheapo chinese mic that I have run across as of yet.
It just bugs me.
Same thing with the RNP... "is the Bluetube a better all around mic pre since it is tube?" I hardly bother to reply anymore, since I know what they end up buying anyway. Irritating.

I understand your point...and don't necessarily disagree...evidence http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71781 ....which seems to have the typical [misunderstanding style] attitude starting to happen that is so common here in the mic forum. It is your holy-ier - than - Though attitude that I didn't particularly care for. You're just a grunt like everyone else here... no better no worse. Maybe you own a couple grand worth of mics.. big fuckin' deal... so do I as do many others here. And, most of these "newbies" could probably buy as much too, if they didn't have school loans, car payments and such to pay off.

I am not also sure a beat up Sennheiser is nec. better than a V67, a pair of mxl603's and a 57 or two, for the person just starting out IF they only have $250. Also, will they necessarily hear the difference over their Alesis monitor ones? If cash is not an issue, then I say, maybe...take the chance....like I did on my C451's I tried to get. However, I tend to think that the "better" mics are better because of better off axis sound, better polar pattens, and of course build, and stuff like that. But on axis sound, I think the lines are starting to blur a bit with these "cheapie" mics.
Sure, throw a half dozen of them on a drum kit, wonder why the drums sound dull and muddy... Replace them with "good" mics...walla..

oh yeah...about the mixing and engineering education offered by you (and the potential kick in the booty), I tend to think you don't have the credentials or knowledge above what I already have....but thanks. The kick in the ass... You want to get down to threats over the internet with people you've never seen before, someday someone WILL show up at your place to call your bluff. To me, you just come off sounding like a punk regurgitating shit out of a magazine....but I give you credit that you probably aren't. Oh...feel free to post some of your "credentials" at the MP3 clinic. Can't say I've really seen you there, other than once about a year or so ago. I liked that tune, and I think got positive responses, but no better than what you can hear there now. That's MY point, you're just a grunt like all of us here... so step down off your pedistal. Anyway, that's where the bulk of my 2500 posts have been. This mic forum, as good as some of the info can be here sometimes, has the most fucked up attitudes running around that I've ever seen on any BBS on the internet. The door has hit my ass many times when I've left here, but I still like to "muddle" through it at times.
But...tubedude...happy new year, and why not try to get rid of the attitudes...and then people like me won't use your comments as catalysts!!;)
 
tubedude - you are right about a lot of the propaganda that goes around esp. in the mic forum - being that it is also probably the most "newbie" forum, since newbies are most interested in mics.

at the same time, mixmkrs point about "credentials" is my overwhelming thought on the whole thing.

I'm not saying you arn't good...I've never heard any of your stuff but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that. Gear wise you have what, 4 channels of RNP I've heard you say? That's a nice setup but it's nothing to be touting as "gold" either...

there are people on the BBS with four channels of MP2NV who don't feel the need to be so critical of other peoples gear (esp. those just starting off).

I realize you are trying to educate, but as far as homerecording goes...for people just starting out, to me, like mixmkr said.. variety is key so you can learn your way around. i'd say get a decent dynamic, a pair of SD condensors, and possibly an LD condensor. Even though I think the 441 is a great mic, and most people *should* be considering it instead of *another* cheap LD condensor to add to their cabinet - i don't neccessarily think it's a good first mic to start out with.
 
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