Melodic Hard rock first mix

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maximusbs said:
Nothing wrong with a 'jam-ocracy', but if I were young and hip like you guys, I'd go for the big hooks too :D Less sausage, more clams! :drunk:
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Haaa. We don't consider ourselves young and hip. Some of us are 30 ish.
 
The "hook" is important. I'm not saying you have to have some poppy Beatles-esque 1-4-5 singalong in the chorus, but it needs something that sticks in people's heads. It can be anything. It just has to be memorable. I DL'd and listened to this song probably 10-15 times just trying to give honest feedback, and as I sit here right now a few days later, I can't remember one thing about it. No hook at all. :o
 
Greg_L said:
The "hook" is important. I'm not saying you have to have some poppy Beatles-esque 1-4-5 singalong in the chorus, but it needs something that sticks in people's heads. It can be anything. It just has to be memorable. I DL'd and listened to this song probably 10-15 times just trying to give honest feedback, and as I sit here right now a few days later, I can't remember one thing about it. No hook at all. :o
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+1
..."tap, tap, tap...is this thing on? ...testing, testing...anybody listening?"
:)
 
Exhibit A:
"Everything I touch, it turns to shit, King Midas ain't got nothing on me"

...singin' that shiznit in the shower...:D
 
Too late! Aw, hell, is that some kind of curse? I gotta go check something...brb...
 
I don't agree Greg. I saw 65daysofstatic the other week, awesome band, one of the best live bands ive ever seen. No hooks. No vocals. Maybe you think we need hooks because you think we belong to a certain genre, but like i said, we just write the music in our heads, if people apply a genre-lisation to us, thats their problem.
 
chamelious said:
I don't agree Greg. I saw 65daysofstatic the other week, awesome band, one of the best live bands ive ever seen. No hooks. No vocals. Maybe you think we need hooks because you think we belong to a certain genre, but like i said, we just write the music in our heads, if people apply a genre-lisation to us, thats their problem.
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Lyrics mean absolutely nothing to me. It's not about lyrics or genres or white belts or xxxxx-core or any of that jackassedness. It's about the song. The song has to have the hook. Something to pull the listener in. Whether it be a bass line, a guitar lick, a cool drum beat, or yes, maybe even some lyrical content. Hooks and melody kind of go hand-in-hand. Not always, but sometimes. You titled this thread as "Melodic", and it just aint there. I'm not the only one that's noticed. Like I said, for me, there's nothing about this song that I can say "yeah, that part is memorable". It's just my opinion though, and I'm honestly not just trying to talk shit. And like I also said, I'm all for doing it however you want to do it and saying "fuck everyone else". I can dig it. That's my personal mantra. If you want no hooks, that's cool. But you guys want fans beyond your wives/girlfriends/boyfriends, right? Don't you want people that you don't know to come see you play? I'm just saying that this song is too generic, too much like everything else to totally stand on it's own without utilizing hooks or melody. But on the other hand, it is just like the vapid sterile crap that gets played on American "alternative" modern rock radio, so maybe you're on to something. I think that if you could infuse some kind of "hook" into what you naturally write, you could have something that people might dig.
 
Maybe. But like i said, the music's just the music in my head. Its just not my process to overthink it and intentionally try to insert something catchy. In my admittidly limited experience, its generally pop music or some shit that has "hooks" where there's one thing in particular that's there to make people remember/buy the song. You say you listened to honour bound 5 times? At some points in the song there's nearly 5 things going on at once. I try to write music for 5 people to play, rather than 4 musicians backing a singer who's banging out hooks or something. I can totally see why people wouldn't be into that, but i'm not really bothered. We love playing our songs live, and we're getting positive reactions from the (small) crowds we've been playing too. Because of the way we write, we're never going to be "discovered" i'm sure, but i reckon if we stick at it we'll develop a small cult following enough to keep us happy.

That said, thanks again for your mix advice, gonna retrack guitars in the next week or so and take another look.
 
I listened at least 10 times, but that's not the point. I'm definitely not suggesting you force something to happen in your music that just aint gonna happen. I totally get where you're coming from. It just needs something to make it memorable/entertaining/interesting. Definitely stay true to yourself though.
 
Although im seeing both sides of this arguement. both sides are valid....

Sadly.

most of this style of music the OP's band is played live. My brothers band is alot like this.

their lyrics are meaningless on the whole. their songs have no hooks. they are the farthest thing from catchy.

The people that are their fans go to see the 'live show' to see the music played live, to see the entertainers Their stances, the clothes, the breakdowns, the flailing guitars the posturing, the flamboyant dancing, the other cookie cutter scenesters with their windmills kicks, etc etc etc.

Basically it's a spectacle. More then it is an auditory response.

I've been to numerous shows of theirs and thats basically what it is. A bunch of scene kids smelling each others asses to see who has the more beat up chuck taylors and half inch band pins on the straps of their over the shoulder man purses.

Which is cool. Its social interaction. Its gets them out of the house and take in some culture. However shallow and elitest that culture may be.

they do well for themselves. and have been for the last 5 years. been nominated for a few awards done numerous profitable tours for an indy band from butt fuck no where.

How ever.

their cd's blow a bag of Lemur cocks. boring as fuck to listen to. Production is all right but on the whole if if i had to recite one refrain i couldn't. Nothing grips me about it. At all. Well one song has a pretty cool gang vocal outro but i don't know the words.

They may sell records but chances are thye will be nothing more then a coaster.


NOW....


if a band could pull off both.. the live spectacle and auditory explosion. That would be awesome.

Chefily the Misfits comes to mind. like early new-fits. When Michale graves was their front man way back when. I never saw a Danzig misfits show.

But they had a Brutal fucking live show, visually appealing, energetic, and songs that stick in your head and you sing along too. Even if you didn't know the words you could just jam out some woahs ...

Very few acts today bring that kind of clout to an audience.
 
Atom Bomb said:
Although im seeing both sides of this arguement. both sides are valid....

Sadly.

most of this style of music the OP's band is played live. My brothers band is alot like this.

their lyrics are meaningless on the whole. their songs have no hooks. they are the farthest thing from catchy.

The people that are their fans go to see the 'live show' to see the music played live, to see the entertainers Their stances, the clothes, the breakdowns, the flailing guitars the posturing, the flamboyant dancing, the other cookie cutter scenesters with their windmills kicks, etc etc etc.

Basically it's a spectacle. More then it is an auditory response.

I've been to numerous shows of theirs and thats basically what it is. A bunch of scene kids smelling each others asses to see who has the more beat up chuck taylors and half inch band pins on the straps of their over the shoulder man purses.

Which is cool. Its social interaction. Its gets them out of the house and take in some culture. However shallow and elitest that culture may be.

they do well for themselves. and have been for the last 5 years. been nominated for a few awards done numerous profitable tours for an indy band from butt fuck no where.

How ever.

their cd's blow a bag of Lemur cocks. boring as fuck to listen to. Production is all right but on the whole if if i had to recite one refrain i couldn't. Nothing grips me about it. At all. Well one song has a pretty cool gang vocal outro but i don't know the words.

They may sell records but chances are thye will be nothing more then a coaster.


NOW....


if a band could pull off both.. the live spectacle and auditory explosion. That would be awesome.

Chefily the Misfits comes to mind. like early new-fits. When Michale graves was their front man way back when. I never saw a Danzig misfits show.

But they had a Brutal fucking live show, visually appealing, energetic, and songs that stick in your head and you sing along too. Even if you didn't know the words you could just jam out some woahs ...

Very few acts today bring that kind of clout to an audience.
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Its fair enough. Another aspect of this, is the fact that if you're not into a certain genre of music, everything will sound the same to you, nothing will stick out. I'm sure all hardcore sounds the same to Greg, namely gay as fuck. It doesn't sound all the same to me though. I'll love one band and hate another, and to Greg(or countless others) they'll both sound as shit.

Thats the great thing about music though, no ones right.

I think being able to say you enjoy performing your own music is a laudable enough goal in itself. If you can add to that, entertaining people you don't know then all the better.

After a performance in Edinburgh the other night i had these 2 french guys come up to me, one said we were one of his top 5 favourite bands he'd found this year. And there was 2 girls there who'd come an hour on the train just to see us. Granted they made up about a third of the total audience, but who cares, we had an awesome time, so did they, job done.
 
chamelious said:
Its fair enough. Another aspect of this, is the fact that if you're not into a certain genre of music, everything will sound the same to you, nothing will stick out. I'm sure all hardcore sounds the same to Greg, namely gay as fuck. It doesn't sound all the same to me though. I'll love one band and hate another, and to Greg(or countless others) they'll both sound as shit.
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Um, I don't really know what you're trying to say here, but I'm an old-ish dude. I grew up on punk and hardcotre. Real punk and hardcore.
 
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