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This one's a few years old. It was my first attempt at multitracking a full band arrangement where I played everything. It sounded pretty shitty. I recently redid it and no, you can't hear the old one. :o

Maisie Come Home

Mix comments and empty praise always welcome and appreciated.

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There's a real disconnect between the guitars/drums, and vocals/backing vocals to me. For example, the drums themselves seem way back and kind kind of room affected, but the cymbal presence seems pretty close, and then there are all these real clean in-your-face guitar tracks. Doesn't really jive to me. I mean, you achieved a good sense of space.....if you're trying to portray the drummer as 500 feet behind the rest of the band. The vocals seem kind of the same. The main vocals seem more distant than the backups. Just seems weird to me. On the plus side, the guitars sound pretty awesome, and your drumming is much better than I remember. And when I saw it was 6 minutes long, I was like "oh fuck this is gonna be tough" because I generally dislike long songs and don't have the attention span for any song longer than like 4 minutes max, but you've done a wonderful job at making it not seem long or boring.
 
Greg_L said:
There's a real disconnect between the guitars/drums, and vocals/backing vocals to me. For example, the drums themselves seem way back and kind kind of room affected, but the cymbal presence seems pretty close, and then there are all these real clean in-your-face guitar tracks. Doesn't really jive to me. I mean, you achieved a good sense of space.....if you're trying to portray the drummer as 500 feet behind the rest of the band. The vocals seem kind of the same. The main vocals seem more distant than the backups. Just seems weird to me. On the plus side, the guitars sound pretty awesome, and your drumming is much better than I remember. And when I saw it was 6 minutes long, I was like "oh fuck this is gonna be tough" because I generally dislike long songs and don't have the attention span for any song longer than like 4 minutes max, but you've done a wonderful job at making it not seem long or boring.
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Wow, cool thanks, that was detailed. For some reason my drums always sound louder to me than they do to you. But just to try it I made a new mix and brought the whole kit forward except for the OHs... not sure I like it yet, I might have to listen a few times on different systems. Do the drums seem too far forward now? And I brought the bgvs down selectively, but I kinda like the level of the lead vox.. I don't want to push 'em too much more forward, though I know many HRers do. Anyways, new mix up top. Any better?
 
I think these drums are way too loud now. Good chance I'll bring em back down.
 
Drums sound about right now, might bring up the OH a little, but reduce their width, they sound too panned to the side to me. BU vox 'ahhs and oohs' (but not sung lyrics) should maybe come down a touch in volume.
 
Greg_L said:
I sincerely hope you find one to buy that song for 1000 bucks.
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Older Bandcamp accounts have a stream-only option. They changed that on new accounts so musicians couldn't stream on BC and sell elsewhere, where they can't make a cut. I figured @ 1000, I was basically making it stream-only... cuz, you know at $999 someone just might buy it.

mjbphotos said:
Drums sound about right now, might bring up the OH a little, but reduce their width, they sound too panned to the side to me. BU vox 'ahhs and oohs' (but not sung lyrics) should maybe come down a touch in volume.
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Cool thanks, man. I'll look into pulling the oohs and ahhs back a little more. I've gotta listen to this mix a few more times myself on different systems I guess.
 
DO NOT pull the drums back - they sound right where they are now.
Some jazzy Steely Dan inflections in parts of this track.
You are inclined to keep your drums back - that's a lack of self confidence on your part.
The playing is good.
The arrangement gets pretty dense in parts but then thins out so you're aware of the ebb n flow.
Done good. I want a copy for when you're done.
 
rayc said:
DO NOT pull the drums back - they sound right where they are now.
Some jazzy Steely Dan inflections in parts of this track.
You are inclined to keep your drums back - that's a lack of self confidence on your part.
The playing is good.
The arrangement gets pretty dense in parts but then thins out so you're aware of the ebb n flow.
Done good. I want a copy for when you're done.
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Wow thanks...but...um, Steely Dan? Really? Can't say I'm a huuge fan. I'll say one thing about SD though, their "making of the album" specials are pretty fun to watch. While I prefer Sabbath's Paranoid to anything Steely Dan ever did, the making of the Paranoid album is so boring. It's like one take of everything, drums, bass, guitar... then guitar lead overdubs. Exactly what you'd expect. In the making of Aja they sit there and solo all this fancy guitar and keyboard shit that never made it onto the album..like there were originally some 27 potential guitar solos for Peg that they had to choose between.

I switched back to a Dropbox link, cuz the Bandcamp thing was too clunky. I really wanted to embed the player but their embedded player doesn't seem to take here. If anyone knows if I can do that, lemme know. I'm starting to like the drums how they are but I still cringe a little here and there. I made some minor changes to some peripheral sounds that probably no one will notice but me.
 
I don't own any Dan vinyl or cds but was exposed to it endlessly through the late 70's as my Budgie and punk stuff had to compete with SD, Eagles & America in student residences.
 
rayc said:
I don't own any Dan vinyl or cds but was exposed to it endlessly through the late 70's as my Budgie and punk stuff had to compete with SD, Eagles & America in student residences.
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Your music had to compete? What was it competing for? :D
 
fat_fleet said:
Wow thanks...but...um, Steely Dan? Really? Can't say I'm a huuge fan. I'll say one thing about SD though, their "making of the album" specials are pretty fun to watch. While I prefer Sabbath's Paranoid to anything Steely Dan ever did, the making of the Paranoid album is so boring. It's like one take of everything, drums, bass, guitar... then guitar lead overdubs. Exactly what you'd expect. In the making of Aja they sit there and solo all this fancy guitar and keyboard shit that never made it onto the album..like there were originally some 27 potential guitar solos for Peg that they had to choose between.
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Yeah, I've seen that making of Paranoid doc...it's a shocker. Everything is pretty much exactly the sum of it's parts, so it's essentially just an hour of some gnarled old brummies killing every last remaining shred of mystique or intrigue about the album...

Good to see you've got a new tune done. I can't listen now unfortunately, but I'll be back later for a spin :thumbs up:
 
Had to compete for aural space - no walkmen, discmen but lots of cassette players (usually mono) and rooms/houses were shared accommodation so getting a chance to play my stuff loud enough to hear was a challenge - seriously. PLUS that general taste amongst students at the time was for American mid tempo, harmonies and/or MOR/AOR stuff.
Playing Budgie, Schoenberg, Sex Pistols, early Kiss, Radio Birdman, Elvis Costello, The Damned, Lou Reed, The Velvet underground, Thought Criminals, Cold Chisel, even Queen's 1st 3 albums was really against the tide of popular taste/opinion/understanding in a college town in rural Australia in the late 70's.
 
rayc said:
Had to compete for aural space - no walkmen, discmen but lots of cassette players (usually mono) and rooms/houses were shared accommodation so getting a chance to play my stuff loud enough to hear was a challenge - seriously. PLUS that general taste amongst students at the time was for American mid tempo, harmonies and/or MOR/AOR stuff.
Playing Budgie, Schoenberg, Sex Pistols, early Kiss, Radio Birdman, Elvis Costello, The Damned, Lou Reed, The Velvet underground, Thought Criminals, Cold Chisel, even Queen's 1st 3 albums was really against the tide of popular taste/opinion/understanding in a college town in rural Australia in the late 70's.
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I never got the thing where one has to blast their music louder than everyone elses... but I've never had a problem wearing headphones either. Headphones- hear all you want of your music and drown everyone else out. Easy as pie. I always pull up beside these dudes bumping the worst music ever. What are they thinking? That I'm gonna hear it and be like "Woah, dude, is that Macklemore and Ryan Lewis? I'm gonna get me that CD, thanks for turning me on!"... then every time I listen to the CD I'm reminded of the mysterious stranger from the car next door who opened the door to new musical pastures. Right. People like that make me embarrassed to blast my music in public. And I'm sure it would not be well-received anyways.
 
rayc said:
PLUS that general taste amongst students at the time was for American mid tempo, harmonies and/or MOR/AOR stuff.
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I'm actually starting to get into alot of 70s AOR stuff. I think it's the punk rock of the future.
 
fat_fleet said:
I'm actually starting to get into alot of 70s AOR stuff. I think it's the punk rock of the future.
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SOME of it makes it into the GUILTY PLEASURES list but I can see it being appealing. If the options were Ted Nugent, Early Kiss, Boston, Fleetwood Mac (BN era) or the pop of the day most pseudo intellectuals of my cohort lept at Boston & FM. I Was even more pseudo but couldn't escape the need for loud and offensive.
My wife was a total AOR fan - she's 6 years younger and has NO EXCUSE!
 
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