mastering in SF

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js1972 said:
After checking out this forum for the first time I was disappointed to see that someone who should be considered a professional would be so darn rude....

...rest of uninformed rant snipped...
Yeah whatever... :rolleyes:

Unless you've read all my 1800++ posts as Blue Bear Sound and all my 1100++ posts as bvaleria, you know absolutely NOTHING about me at all, so fuck off you little piss-ant....

And it's even more interesting that for your first post to this site, you choose to slam a long-standing contributor here....

(that's gotta be a record, only 1 post to make it my ignore list!)

some people... yikes!

Bruce
 
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Where's the CDs?

So far, I've sent my snail mail address to TWO people. I still have no CDs. I'd give you guys one of my songs to master, but I feel that they are not mixed well enough to be considered suitable source material.

-js- Please don't feed the bear. ;)

Queue
 
Brain Surgery

You know, if you cut open someone's skull and start messing around, you could call it brain surgery, you could also call it Frank.
The fact of the matter is that you are still dissecting and rearranging said persons brain. What happens after that surgery ( the patient thinks they are a turkey, or they no longer have seizures or you kill them), is irrelevent. You have still performed surgery.
I dont see why it matters what your processe is if your results are good. If you use SoundForge or go and spend 200$ an hour to have some one do it or whatever, there are good and bad, oh so bad mastering jobs. It is still mastering.

Twonky has made his proclaimation!
 
Finally...

Bruce and Chessrock,

I finally got a CD with a submission for the 'master off'. (Thanks mixmkr)

Are you still interested???

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Bruce, (and chess and anyone else who wants to try...)
Do you have broadband? I can post the file on a server where you can download it.

Here's the choices:
48MB .wav file
~30MB .ape file (Monkey's Audio Compression) Lossless
Send me a blank CDR and return postage.

Use the email function on the board here if you want to go with the third option, so I can email you my snail mail addy...

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Er... Queue... just tried to send you a message thru the board and it tells me you "have chosen NOT to accept email messages thru this board..." I thought I had your email address in my list but I can't see it...

Email me - the email button shows up on any of my posts... and I'll get you a CD out (with return postage) ASAP...

Also, I assume you'll be giving me an audio CD, right? (Not simply a WAV burned onto CD....)

Bruce
 
Bruce,
Just sent you an email. I'll try to figure out what setting is wrong, but I thought I'd received emails through the board before.

Anyhow, CD Audio it is. I suppose people will need to specify preference.

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I have the shitiest final mix you can ever imagine. I made it myself using a direct feed from my guitar to effects unit to a shitty mixer to my shitty SB soundcard. The only problem is that I use 56K dial-up so I don't know if I could send the file. If anyone knows of a way I'd love to here the finished result.
 
specs,
We've already got some sample material, thanks.


Chess Rock...... You still in???? Contact me!!!!

Bruce, I've got your CD made, but am holding it until Chess chimes in.

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Its really hard to believe this thread now that Ive read the whole thing. I have read alot of material about mastering, and even some of the "professional" Mastering engineers will tell you that the mystic aura that surrounds "Mastering is BS". I can quote the article if you would like. Mastering is a sidecar issue in this forum, the original was using Sound Forge for Mastering. I think that ones needs to ask the questions concerning the functions and processes of "Mastering". If most of you/us are home recordists then when the term "Mastering" is used, it is used as "home mastering". Mastering has only
been around since the 60's roughly, does that mean that Elvis sucked because he wasn't mastered with todays understanding and tools of the process? The tools are becoming more available to the public becasue of the profitability of mass marketing. If I had lots of money I could buy a SADiE Mastering suite, but would that mean Im a Mastering engineer? If I had tons of audio engineering experience, would that make me a Mastering Engineer? Did you know that some projects are mixed so well that they NEVER got mastered (using the term as to tweaking the mix)? I always thought that mastering was the processing and preparation to feed the music/data to cutters, for making records, glass masters or whatever. I think it was a certain kind of tape (1630 Umatic tape?) for driving the machines, just like what a 5 axis mill uses in a machine shop. Numerical tape! The" tweaking" was to make sure there was conformity on the overall project, somewhat equal metering from song to song. By todays standards you can take a CD-R to a duplication facility and they refer to it as the pre-master because the Master is the 10 inch glass disk in which starts the development of the stampers.

Now back to Pre-Mastering...The tweaking portion I think everyone is wondering about.
No matter how much equipment you own, no matter how much experience you have and no matter what mistique floats about, Pre-Mastering the final that goes to tape(1630 or CR-R and sometimes dat) takes talent. Not everyone has talent do they, I have heard and Im sure youve heard, CD's that do not sound as good as someone elses CD. Why is that, both were done by professionals, both were done with big old honking Sony like budgets... The big names in Mastering Engineering have a gift to take an average tune and make it nice, they make it sparkle and they make it hot. Its a gift that does require a good amount of experience so they can know what frequencies need to be where, but the BIGGEST gift is the knowing how to make what the average listeners likes to hear. No freakazoid like audiophile will ever be abler to make the masses buy records if what he does isn't what the average listener wants. Mastering Engineers are the magicians that take music from the data standpoint and transform it into ( via the advocate system) the hearts and minds of the purchasing masses. If someone has the magic/talent or whatever you call it, they can Pre-Master at Home with SF ("gasp"' Booooo"). Just as someone who owns every piece of equipment imaginable and a respectable amount of experience could never make a Pre-Master that sells good. Its the battle between Objective and Subjective.
Sonusman somewhere tried to make the point about the importance of talent in the recording industry from a musicians, as well as from the recording,mixing and mastering point of view.

Since the prices of equipment has dropped so much recently and our prosperity has made it possible to buy better equipment, we have been fooled into thinking we can buy talent like a plug-in, and that those people without the plug-in, don't have talent! I buy, therefore, I am good!

My recommendation: realize everyone is trying to learn and do the best they can with what they have. Try not to be insulting and take critical remarks as personal attacks. Maybe some reading in "The Musicians Guide to Home Recording" should be in order. Ive been in Big studios with Idiots and seen absolute genius' happen on 4 tracks and am convinced, nothing is cut and dry. You wanna rip into some music, go the MP3 forum and listen to music I posted, then let me have it!


Peace,
Dennis
 
Dennis,
That was quite a dissertation! I'm speechless...
and yes this thread is out of control.

Bruce,
I heard from chess today, we're a go!!! I'll send out your CD tomorrow or Friday.

Queue
 
Queue... excellent! Email me what I owe ya for shipping, etc...

Bruce
 
Queue,

Got the CD yesterday.... I'll work on it over the next week or so and get it back out to ya.......

Bruce
 
Bruce,
Thanks for letting me know it arrived safely. I'd imagine Chess got his as well, but one never knows these days... :rolleyes:

Wonder what Cliff Claven would have to say about the current postal situation....

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When it arrived, it was covered in a flour-like dust - but I sniffed it and nothing happened, so I should be..........

.........blleeeeeeeeeeeeeeecccccccccccch!!!!!!!

:(
 
I had to use every bit of restraint to NOT make any direct Anthrax jokes or references.

Thanks for taking care of it for me. :D :eek:

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Anthrax???

...who said anything about anthrax???

I was talking about flour!

;)


Bruce
 
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