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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
Don't know James I can hear your sh!t from here.
Don't know James I can hear your sh!t from here.
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ksawaia
New member
holy crap. go away for a week and come back to a mess. hahaha.
by no means would i think louder is better. just turn up the fuckin faders if you want to hear an awesome and dynamic mix. but people who are listening to the types of music i am doing aren't audiophiles and immediately dismiss a band/mix if it isn't as loud/louder as Joe CurrentProducers mix. they mistake loudness as power and the ability to be "brutal". a problem with the current generation of kids.
but yea. nevermind. haha. thanks everyone for the response however.
by no means would i think louder is better. just turn up the fuckin faders if you want to hear an awesome and dynamic mix. but people who are listening to the types of music i am doing aren't audiophiles and immediately dismiss a band/mix if it isn't as loud/louder as Joe CurrentProducers mix. they mistake loudness as power and the ability to be "brutal". a problem with the current generation of kids.
but yea. nevermind. haha. thanks everyone for the response however.
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Greg_L
Banned
That's exactly what I was saying. Is it a better way to listen to music or the right way to produce it? Probably not, but it is what it is. The people that actually buy music want it loud.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
that's it. It is what it is.
However much we artistic types don't want it to be that way, that IS the way it is and nothing we say or do will change it.
Look, I'm a 'live' player ...... that's what I do and because of that I play to the masses every night ..... both young and old depending on the venue.
I've said it before and I'll say it again ..... the public at large is tone deaf ..... they don't have a clue.
ALL they know is if they hear the hook line of a song they like.
Other than that you can do anything you want.
You can sing nonsensical words ..... play bizarre chords ....... it doesn't matter as long as you go " giggity giggity goobledly YOU're my-y brown eyed girl"
Those same people are also easy to lead goobers when it comes to the music they listen to and how they listen to it.
It's more of a social thing than anything else and for that ..... they need to not have to change settings for different songs ...... it needs to be effortless or they just won't do it at all because they really, really don't care. They wanna press play and that's the end of it.
We oldsters actually like to fool around with gear .... and for us that includes the tweaking of tone controls and setting an appropriate level for the song we're about to listen to ...... and so on.
The masses at large don't like any of that shit anymore. Their fingers are busy texting and they don't have digits to spare for tweaking audio levels when the music is just background to their other activities anyway.
So everything needs to play at the same volume even though it's certainly true that it sounds like shit compared to what a nice dynamic recording can sound like.
But you know ........ I like beer ..... my wife doesn't ........ there's absolutely nothing I can say or do that will open her up to the wondrously different tastes of different beers. She ...... doesn't .......... care!
Massive Master
www.massivemastering.com
I couldn't possibly disagree with that statement more in every possible way. The people that actually buy music want a level of consistency to the volume -- And most of them don't even know it. The "make it loud" part has always been a pissing contest between artists and labels. If the average listener actually knew the damage that was being done to the sound, there would probably be an uprising.
Heck, even Metallica felt a part of that. They took it far beyond "reasonable volume" and their own fans had a spasm about it. I wish more would so we could finally get back to "reasonable" again...
I was interviewed maybe 15 years ago and was asked about a "standard for apparent volume" and said something like "of course not" (boy, was I naive at the time...). I'd give (something of value I'm sure) to go back to something along the lines of -15dBRMS... That was always that "sweet spot" where most rock/pop/rap would sound wonderful and still have decent dynamics.
Volume standards have done wonders for the film industry when everyone was yelling about "no standards" -- Now that they've been proven wrong with extreme prejudice and malice, I wish like hell the music industry would follow...
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Greg_L
Banned
Which is loud. When their MP3 players skip from loud song to loud song, your songs better be as loud. You do agree in a roundabout way.
Probably, but they don't, and don't care.
kcearl
I see deaf people
no they would uprise, they dont care......
Muzzaman
New member
All a load of bulls*%t anyway. Any of you go on Last.fm run a playlist or station and various artists will play one after another and there IS varying differences in loudness between them so if there is an 'Industry standard loudness' it ain't seeming to be happening!!!!
Have to laugh at this thread tho.
Muzzam
Have to laugh at this thread tho.
Muzzam
kcearl
I see deaf people
Yeah I often see kids wondering past listening to Last fm on their pods lol
I dont think Ive even listened to last fm let alone the majority of the music buying public...My MP3 player has varying loudness, from kitchen sink obscure soul numbers to modern rock, and it annoys the f*ck out of me let alone the impatient brats that maraud the malls
I dont think Ive even listened to last fm let alone the majority of the music buying public...My MP3 player has varying loudness, from kitchen sink obscure soul numbers to modern rock, and it annoys the f*ck out of me let alone the impatient brats that maraud the malls
Muzzaman
New member
yeah probably on the last fm app eh??
That's personal to you not everyone, doesn't annoy me!
Muzza
That's personal to you not everyone, doesn't annoy me!
Muzza
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
I have never run across one person anywhere who decided to like or not like a song based upon how loud it is, even if it is buried in the middle of a loud playlist. If they like the song, they like the song, and they'll play it. If they don't, they won't.
"It's got a great beat and I can dance to it. I'd give it a 10, Dick, if only it were the same volume as that last piece of crap you played. But since it's not, I only give it a 4". That never happens in real life.
And the thing about them not wanting to push buttons on their dumb phone because they're too busy pushing buttons on their dumb phone is baloney also. Those who are into those toys look for every excuse they can to play with those toys. Adjusting the volume is right up there with checking messages and changing ringtones every five seconds. Just sit back and watch them someday, they're adjusting their volume all the time, sometimes simply because they *want to* as an excuse to play with the thing in public, because that's the in thing to do.
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kcearl
I see deaf people
yeah probably on the last fm app eh??
That's personal to you not everyone, doesn't annoy me!
Muzza
yeah but Im more in touch with the youth....well until that court case
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Greg_L
Banned
Lol. You're really reaching now. "Hey bro, check out how my phone has volume controls!" No one does that. Quit being such a geezer.
Look dude, it's a simple form of supply and demand. Loud is still "in", it's staying that way, and people like it. Why? I don't know, but artists, labels, and mastering guys wouldn't fall over eachother to be loud if it wasn't profitable. Only audio snobs hate it, and there's not that many of you. You are pretty out of touch and jaded if you really don't think loudness and consistency from song to song matters to non-audiophiles. Get in touch with reality. They want hot, pumping mixes.
Look dude, it's a simple form of supply and demand. Loud is still "in", it's staying that way, and people like it. Why? I don't know, but artists, labels, and mastering guys wouldn't fall over eachother to be loud if it wasn't profitable. Only audio snobs hate it, and there's not that many of you. You are pretty out of touch and jaded if you really don't think loudness and consistency from song to song matters to non-audiophiles. Get in touch with reality. They want hot, pumping mixes.
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
And this from the guy that just got through stating in another thread:
Not the rantings of someone who cares about supply and demand.Greg_L said:
You can't have it both ways, brother. You either gotta make music the way you want to and not sell out, like you suggest one minute, OR worry about supply and demand, sell out, and crush your music into crap like everyone else so the teeny boppers in the mall are happy and you are not, the way you suggest the next.
And I'm still waiting for one instance where an increase in loudness made a difference in it's or the act's popularity that wasn't negative. We all know the negative examples in Metallica, RHCP, the Beatles, etc. Where are the positive ones?
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Greg_L
Banned
And before you guys get even angrier, let me say that I'm not a loudness guy. I'm not pro loudness, I'm just not blindly anti loudness because I like to yell at kids to get off my lawn. Most of the stuff I listen to is old and undeniably not loud. The main complaint from people that buy my music is "it's not loud enough". I had one guy tell me, "it's cool, but in my truck, I had to listen on 12, and usually 8 is way loud enough." 
Muzzaman
New member
And before you guys get even angrier, let me say that I'm not a loudness guy. I'm not pro loudness, I'm just not blindly anti loudness because I like to yell at kids to get off my lawn. Most of the stuff I listen to is old and undeniably not loud. The main complaint from people that buy my music is "it's not loud enough". I had one guy tell me, "it's cool, but in my truck, I had to listen on 12, and usually 8 is way loud enough."
Was that one of ur tracks the guy was refering to?
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
I let the neighbor kinds play on my lawn all the time.
Poor baby.
So what? Did he like your music? Did he tell you that he liked it, but the volume was enough to turn him away from it? He bought your music, didn't he?
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Greg_L
Banned
I don't care about supply and demand, and don't conform with my own music. I'm not interested in making a living off of music in any form, so I can do and say whatever I want. The fact remains though: Bands/labels/studios that are in it for the dollar make loud mixes. That's the supply and demand I'm talking about. The demand is for loud, modern mixes, so it gets supplied.
Again, it depends on your goals. I personally have none, so I'm not worried about loudness. Joe Emo rock star might want to make it big, so his stuff has to sonically compete with everyone else. Simple truth. I'd like to think that songwriting matters, but it doesn't so much anymore.
Those are good examples of negative. You gloss over the millions of albums and singles though that do sell very well and are loud as shit. Like Green Day. Their stuff is loud and proud these days, and it still sounds pretty decent.
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Greg_L
Banned
I agree. So what? I laughed in his face. I got his money, I don't care what he thinks. He probably won't buy another one though. See the conundrum? This guy is a classic example of the music buying general public, and the lack of loudness probably turned him off to my next album.
Muzzaman
New member
Greg I think you have a personal issue with loudness in your own music.
No personal goals? that must suck, saying your songwriting matter and not the loudness just strengthens Glen's point!! doesn't it?
Also why put in your signature buy my CD if your not interested in making money off your music? Give me a break man.
No personal goals? that must suck, saying your songwriting matter and not the loudness just strengthens Glen's point!! doesn't it?
Also why put in your signature buy my CD if your not interested in making money off your music? Give me a break man.