M-S placement

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I've started experimenting with M-S micing using the M-Audio Octane. Here are some pics from last night's session. I was wondering how this placement looks to those who use this technique regularly.

NOTE: The close-up of the mics (last pic) is where I ended up recording. The cardioid's diaphragm is centered above the figure-8's.

EDIT: That's my buddy Darrel playing his Fender acoustic.
 

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MadAudio said:
And the close-up.....
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Yep - looks familiar! :)

The only difference is the mic placement that I use, where both mics are vertical, with the figure 8 mic (SP B3) right-side-up (on the bottom), and the uni (SP B1) is upside down (on the top), with the tops of the mics almost touching. I would think both configurations render the same sonic results.

Try it with a drum kit too. ;)
 
Your shockmounts look like mine!
Nice pics...I'm gonna start doing some mid-side on drums in my new house. Baby Bottle as the mid mic, at4050 as the side, with an Audix d6 on kick.
 
Thanks for the picks! Makes understanding the setup easier!

I've wondered about this. How would you place them for drums? Out in front? Overhead?
 
I've been wondering the same thing. Since mine will make up a good deal of the drum sound, I'll probably put them a couple of feet out front, maybe 4' off the ground. I think over the drummers head, angled downward, would probably also work well.
 
PhilGood said:
Thanks for the picks! Makes understanding the setup easier!

I've wondered about this. How would you place them for drums? Out in front? Overhead?
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I position them in front of the kit, at ear-level. It's scarey how great the imaging is! ;)
 
kid klash - Thanks. I'll have to try it on my drums.

mjau - Haha, do you think I should tell people I record hair bands?

PhilGood - glad you enjoyed the pics. Now go fetch me a danish! And who spilled coffee on my plans to destroy the world?
 
Stiny! Fetch me a Danish!

I like M-S but I haven't tried it on drums like Double K here has. I've done it with a pair of AT4050s but without access to these in my home I will probably get a B1 to go with my B3 ... or maybe I could get a second T3 and do it with that!!!
 
You people and your fancy smancy multi-pattern mics. :mad:



























:D
Just kidding, looks cool. I might have to try something like that when I get a ribbon mic.
 
reshp1 said:
I might have to try something like that when I get a ribbon mic.
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Yeah, I just read somewhere that ribbon mics are great for M-S.
 
a question

i've done this with very good results on acu, but i have a question

whichever side i phase flip always ends up a little more quiet then the other, due i suppose, to phase cancellation.
don't notice it too bad in a pair of monitors, but it's obvious in headphones.

am i missing something, or is it just an inherent drawback of ms?
 
Could somebody send a pic of GOOD MS over a drum kit

Just curious...these pics were helpful to me, and I'd like to know of options for miking a drum kit this way. Are there a variety of good placements? If somebody posts or sends me some pics of how they've done it succesfully I'd really appreciate that.

Also on the subject...how do you pan the MS mic signals when you're mixing?

Jacob
 
jkokura said:
Also on the subject...how do you pan the MS mic signals when you're mixing?
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Well, I'm still new to this technique, so others may chime in, but I recorded the acoustic as a stereo track, so it's already panned hard left/right. The Octane (the mic pre I used) has an M-S matrix built in.
 
giraffe said:
i've done this with very good results on acu, but i have a question

whichever side i phase flip always ends up a little more quiet then the other, due i suppose, to phase cancellation.
don't notice it too bad in a pair of monitors, but it's obvious in headphones.

am i missing something, or is it just an inherent drawback of ms?
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How are you recording it? From what I've read one of the nice things about M-S is that there is less chance of phasing.
 
Sorry about the coffee! I'll get that cleaned up right away!
 
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