Love me? Hate me? LISTEN TO THIS!

[Doug H]

Cool song, nice production. I dig the growly singing. Some of the singing near the end sounded kind of distant.

 

[HevyD47Ca]

Komp

Finally sat down and listened to this.
Definitely not a song I could cover.....
I know you will take that as a compliment

 

[TexRoadkill]

I like the guitar riff alot but the drums were a little cheezy sounding. Can you get some meatier samples?

I feel what you are going for with the vocals but they seem a little too murky. A cool old school industrial jam.

 

[Khompewtur]

mixmkr - Yeah man you missed all the fracas!! I would've expected you to jump in the fray. Thanks for the listen, much appreciated.

erichenryus - thank you erich. Yeah this baby was all about that rhythm guit. The vox just were.. elusive. I mean i got some good things out of the experience it but not nearly what i wanted or expected.

Doug H - Thank you for listening Doug. I was on the fence about cutting some of those vox at the end completely and just letting the solo do the work.

TexRoadkill - I hear ya man, i take a pounding for those samples. I'm lucky for HRC4 Analytical say he'll do 'em. Thank you. Keep it real in the cave!

 

[WATYF]

Newsflash for you and WAYTF, I KNOW about stealth mode and I DID see your name in the clinic.

Well, then it wasn't working properly at that time... I've been on stealth for years.

Apparently you don't have the universal concensus you think you do. Did you even read Guernica's post? Maybe there is a self-viewing enlightened mature set in here who have decided they won't use them but that doesn't cover bbs members of all shapes and sizes. Where do you get off using this "WE" shit. I am a part of that "WE" and i DO RATE THREADS and obviously I am not the only one.

Look man... you may wanna get all upset aboot this... but I'm not. I don't care. The point is... "everybody" (and I mean that in a non-scientific, susceptible-to-exceptions, type of way) knows that it's not a reliable system. That's the point. Sorry for using so much hyperbole... obviously it obfuscated the issue too much.

I cannot figure out what you're saying here. You're argument is that no one uses them and yet here are examples of 4 different types of posters (including dedicated serious regulars) using them for various reasons.

My argument, once agian, is not that nobody uses them. I use the stars sometimes. My point is that IT IS NOT A RELIABLE SYSTEM THAT CAN BE USED TO DETERMINE ANYTHING. If you set the slightest bit of weight in the number of stars your thread gets, then you are wasting your time.

Yes I already said I agree with this earlier in the thread, this feel likes some pre-packaged "newbie-rant". I feel that stars reflect more about bbs personality dynamics than they do about music production.

I feel they reflect nothing (for the reasons I stated in my first post). I fear you've entirely missed the point of my little rant. You see,... I don't care if you use stars. As I said, I use them myself sometimes. I don't care if it means something to you. It means something to me too. That's not the point. What I'm saying is, it is a totally worthless, meaningless system as a whole. So... when you leave a star... you may be thinking, "I like this song... I'll give it five stars". And that's great.... but the next person who stars it may be thinking, "I hate the guy who posted this song, so I'll give it one star"... and the next guy may be thinking, "This guy is my buddy, so I'll give him five stars." Which makes the total star count absolutely worthless. This, in turn, makes the ratings system irrelevant.

IF THEY ARE SO USELESS I CALL ON YOU THE "WE" OF THIS FORUM TO START A CAMPAIGN TO DEACTIVATE THREAD RATING ON THIS PARTICULAR FORUM!!!

BECAUSE I DON'T CARE... AND YOU SHOULDN'T EITHER, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

Ya really painted me with a nice immaturity brush there WAYTF. I kinda resent it. I don't require anything. It's not about bean-counting either. Every other regular i've seen on this forum has taken the courtesy to check in and say hello at least once which was very nice while Chris never acknowledged me publicly. We had a confrontation that precipitated from that and well basically he admitted that he had listened to my stuff and that he thought all of it sucked.

It is bean-counting... you're keeping track of who's been "naughty" and who's been "nice"... and I have no problem saying that that's petty and immature. I don't care if you EVER comment on one of my threads... if you post a song, I will listen to it with the same ears I listen to everybody else's stuff and I will comment with the same objectivity that I do for everyone else. There is no law stating that I have to give you a "hey... what's up" every time you post a song. Like I said, there are a billion reason why someone may or may not have posted on your thread. Getting all bent oat of shape over it is a waste of time.

If chris thinks that everything I've devoted myself to is not even worth a "Keep workin hard!" review, then there SHOULD be bad blood between us and you should stay the fuck out of it.

Well that's where we disagree. If you wanna stay pissed as chris just because he didn't give you a meaningless pat on the back every time you posted, then that's your bid-ness. But I have the right to disagree with that type of attitude, because it leads to petty arguments like these that get started over nothing.



WATYF

 

[WATYF]

....Ive become the lone star advocate......

....this is becoming a subject with posts that are boardering on becoming personal.... ...so im not gonna give you the show youre looking for watyf... Ive already pissed off one friend in here with this..... and i have no interest in a 5 page thread arguing this dead end subject with you.

....dont generalize..... who are YOU? ....we? I dont care what YOU decide to do....

....and ive been here for more than 5 minutes. .....although, with regards to confronting your rude-ass soapbox rebuttle, my attention span questionable.

I am not interested in making this personal. I was not upset when I wrote the rant. I would hope that the profuse use of smileys would have effectively conveyed that. I am also not looking for any type of "reaction"... so no "show" was expected.

....there is a very simple solution to this. "If" you decide to use stars... make yours accountable. If you one star someone, dont be a pussy..... tell em you did and why. I think folks will find that kind of criticism is respectable.. If you leave a 5....mention that too. ....a pat on the back by your peers is appreciated, and it sheds a little light on where "you" are coming from.

And I completely agree with this! Just leaving a star may mean something to you... but it means nothing to the person who posted the thread, because for all he knows, the one-star bandit might have done it, or it may have been somebody who disliked him personally. Either way... who knows. My entire point about this is that if someone wants to make a meaningful statement about a thread by using the stars, then they should do exactly what you do... leave a star and then mention it your comments (or admit that you gave it one star and say why), because only leaving a star translates to absolutely nothing.

blow me

For someone who doesn't wanna make this personal, you're sure doin' a good job of it.


WATYF

 

[Khompewtur]

Ok this will be short

HevyD47Ca - Sorry i missed ya last night, man it was 5 a.m. Thanks for the listen, i will take that as a compliment. Hey i was reading your production diary with you and rats it starts to get real funny at the end. Do well.


WAYTF -

Well, then it wasn't working properly at that time... I've been on stealth for years.

I didn't say i saw you, just chris. In fact it was working properly because i remember seeing multiple comments from you in chris's thread and not seeing your name in the list (remember the whole "sorry im taking a piss in your thread", "piss away my friend" thread)

As far as everything you say about stars in your last post opposed to your earlier posts, I agree and I've already publicly stated such views. Stars mean something, not a big thing just a itsy bitsy, but still noticeable thing and you have to have experience with the bbs to know how to interpret them properly.

Well that's where we disagree. If you wanna stay pissed as chris just because he didn't give you a meaningless pat on the back every time you posted, then that's your bid-ness. But I have the right to disagree with that type of attitude, because it leads to petty arguments like these that get started over nothing.

Maybe you didn't catch the whole exchange between us. I got irritated at Chris for ignoring me and engaging in bump antics, nothing irreparable.

What really ticked me off was that after confronting him about it he:
- began cursing at me
- went to the cave and started threads denigrating me
- attacked my music

I really wanted to respond in a like manner but i just didn't feel it was right. If you can't see that there's an ESCALATION here and that it is not about the feedback then i don't want to discuss it with you anymore.




Finally.. stop with the bean counting. In my opinion if i see i am elbow to elbow with a guy over a few months manners urge "say hello". I sent out some feelers, got nothin but complete silence back. If you think that's irrational *shrug*

 

[WATYF]

herm...

As far as everything you say about stars in your last post opposed to your earlier posts, I agree and I've already publicly stated such views.

I could swear it was the same points I was making in my earlier posts.

Maybe you didn't catch the whole exchange between us. I got irritated at Chris for ignoring me and engaging in bump antics, nothing irreparable.

Yeah... I caught it... but I wasn't making statements about the entire exchange... I was addressing specific parts.

What really ticked me off was that after confronting him about it he:
- began cursing at me
- went to the cave and started threads denigrating me
- attacked my music

You know... normally, I would totally agree with you... (no really.. I would. ) but this is chris we're talking aboot... I mean... everyone knows he's insane.

(oops.. there I go speaking for everyone again... )

If you can't see that there's an ESCALATION here and that it is not about the feedback then i don't want to discuss it with you anymore.

Well... if that were the case, I prolly wouldn't have said anything at all... but your very next statement disproves what you just said....

and here it is:

Finally.. stop with the bean counting. In my opinion if i see i am elbow to elbow with a guy over a few months manners urge "say hello". I sent out some feelers, got nothin but complete silence back. If you think that's irrational *shrug*

Apparently, a portion of the problem is just the lack of feedback. And that's where I still don't get it. I mean... dude... I thought you were a newbie, up until, like, a week ago. There are so many freaking newbies in the forum these days, I'm lucky if I can listen to half the stuff that races off the front page, let alone get to know who posted it. I just don't understand why someone would get upset aboot another member not specifically "noticing" them...


lol.. btw... I haven't actually gotten around to listening to your song yet.... Now... you could assume that it's cause I hate your guts just because we disagreed aboot some petty issue on an internet message board... but actually, it's because the city I live in just got hit with some huge lightning storm and the power has been out since 5pm last night. My home PC is the only system I have access to that has decent enough speakers to critique songs... but as soon as the power comes back on.... (sometime this year, I would hope ) then I'll be sure to give it a spin.


WATYF

 

[Khompewtur]

Yeah i would say don't get too caught up on the newbie / regular thing. Even though my first clinic submission predates yours by 9 months I feel like a born-again newbie. I'm still just getting a feel for many of the regular personalities on this site after going into hibernation for a year and a half.

LOL I did some searching.. you haven't reviewed any of my songs since my reintroduction even my HRC#3 submission which was YOUR CHALLENGE!! hahaha! But you know the only reason i fixated on chris was because his posting style caught my attention, not because he didn't notice me. I never liked the feeling i was playing "bump wars" with him.

In all fairness I searched for feedback from me on any of your threads from the past 3 months and I didn't find any except HRC#3. Now that i'm aware of you if I let another dozen pass by without trying to help you out, by all means chew me out if you feel the need. I did listen to Interrogating Angels a few months ago but i scanned the thread and i didn't weigh in, no excuses I often listen and don't comment usually when someone's already covered what I was going to say. I listened again just now and as i thought then it a very sweet song. Sweet vocals, finger picked guitar that reminds me of Extreme somewhat.


Anyway, we've expressed our views to each other. If you don't feel things the way i do ... well the horse has been beaten sent to the knackers, turned into elmers, and is being spread onto the back of red construction paper by 2nd graders in Maryland making homemade valentines..

 

[Axe4Yahweh]

Man, I think this would make a great Intro or Ending Toon for a SciFi horror flic!



CR ><>

 

[WATYF]

Anyway, we've expressed our views to each other. If you don't feel things the way i do ... well the horse has been beaten sent to the knackers, turned into elmers, and is being spread onto the back of red construction paper by 2nd graders in Maryland making homemade valentines..

LOL... yes... the horse is most surely dead. (never heard it put quite so well before. )

Yeah i would say don't get too caught up on the newbie / regular thing. Even though my first clinic submission predates yours by 9 months I feel like a born-again newbie. I'm still just getting a feel for many of the regular personalities on this site after going into hibernation for a year and a half.

Actually... we have that in common. My "member" date is really old... (pretty darn near the beginning...) but I'm not that "old". I stumbled across this site back in 2000, before I really started doing anything with recording... I think I asked some extremely stupid newbie questions, and then pretty much didn't come back for a over a year or so. I've only been an "active" poster since 2001/2002-ish.

LOL I did some searching.. you haven't reviewed any of my songs since my reintroduction even my HRC#3 submission which was YOUR CHALLENGE!! hahaha! But you know the only reason i fixated on chris was because his posting style caught my attention, not because he didn't notice me. I never liked the feeling i was playing "bump wars" with him.

Funny thing aboot that is... I didn't even post a song for HRC#3.... and it was my freaking challenge...!! I've been a tad bit busy lately... (just got married right around the time of the challenge AND the submission deadline for the comp CD... I just barely got my submission out in time.) That's why I thought you were a newbie, though... 'cause I didn't remember hearing your stuff before.

In all fairness I searched for feedback from me on any of your threads from the past 3 months and I didn't find any except HRC#3. Now that i'm aware of you if I let another dozen pass by without trying to help you out, by all means chew me out if you feel the need. I did listen to Interrogating Angels a few months ago but i scanned the thread and i didn't weigh in, no excuses I often listen and don't comment usually when someone's already covered what I was going to say. I listened again just now and as i thought then it a very sweet song. Sweet vocals, finger picked guitar that reminds me of Extreme somewhat.

Don't sweat it man... that's why I kinda get on people's cases a bit when it comes to the whole "why didn't you post on my thread" thing... sometimes you just don't got nuthin' to say. And don't worry aboot the future. If you still don't post anything for my next song, I won't get upset. It's all good in da hood.

Thanks for the feedback on IA. Actually, that's the one I barely submitted in time for the comp CD. Funny... I used to like Extreme when I was a kid. We used to sit around and (attempt to) play (our really crappy version of) More Than Words.


WATYF

 

[chrisharris]

Re: herm...

You know... normally, I would totally agree with you... (no really.. I would. ) but this is chris we're talking aboot... I mean... everyone knows he's insane.




WATYF

First, I totally know that you're kidding, WATYF, lol...and I tried to not look at this thread, but I'm weak...and since my new buddy Khomph seems to feel the need to mention my name in every other post in this fucker, let's see just how insane I am:

Here's the exchange from Lt. Bob's thread. I'm not asking anybody to agree with me, but to the extend that anybody gets the (false) impression that I got pissed about some stars, here's my take on it:

From Lt.Bob's thread

You guys rule. Even the asshole who keeps one-starring "Old Yeller," lol. HAVE YOU NO HEART?!?!?!

Naw, it's okay...I added one myself

Note: I didn’t care, I added one myself. I call people assholes all the time. I tried to keep it lighthearted.

I one starred it. I dunno you are just starting to annoy me.

Note: Khomp basically says he’s negatively voting on an old thread of mine b/c I “annoy” him – never mentioned the tune. The internet equivalent of "fuck you."

Dude, tell me about it.

I STILL tried to blow it off – We all know how sick of me I am.

Ding ding ding!I think we have our One Star Bandit ladies and gentlemen!

......at least "one' of them.LMAO!

Note: this comment is here for context, lol..

No i only one-starred Chris's thread. That's it.

With him hijacking this thread and taking down all the other ones that had negative comments in it, it just got to me. That or him bumping his own thread for the 8th time while 5 new ones go without responses.

Note: this is where I got pissed. You wouldn’t??

You think I took down a thread b/c it had negative comment? You, sir...don't know me very well.

Let's keep it that way.

Note: now I go for the “avoidance” tactic to try to end the personal shit.

Oh im sorry Chris were you talking to me????

Smartass comment – Fuel for the fire, I guess.

Yeah, I'm a pretty selfish guy around here. Most of my posts are in my own threads.

Oh, and as far as highjacking this thread, if you hadn't noticed, dumbass, it was ABOUT me... (hear Carly Simon in the background).


I listened to your music, btw. Couldn't think of anything constructive, and there was nothing nice to say...so.....keep being a dick!! I was gonna' care, but....nope.

I listened to one tune a few weeks ago; it sucked. He’d already been told it sucked – I didn’t feel obligated to repeat it.

Yeah baby!!! That's what i was hopin for Open hostility!!! Yeah man!! Let's do away with that fake-ass Chris that's always gladhanding people just to get a few more listens.

I have no idea how the man knows the “real” me so well, lol, but this is just a fucking insult.

Listen, cocksocket...I don't know what you think you know about me, but you obviously need some attention. I recommend hanging out in the cave. I'm all up for a flame war anytime with rectal-rooting knob-slobbers such as yourself, but not here. This place is (usually) about music. So get qualified, then get bent, then go to the Cave.

Thread started in Cave to spare clinic - Khomp refused
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Oh, and as for my not commenting on Khomp's tune: here are some words of wisdom from the most righteous member of this board:

I did listen to Interrogating Angels a few months ago but i scanned the thread and i didn't weigh in, no excuses I often listen and don't comment usually when someone's already covered what I was going to say.

Hrm…what a selfish, shunning jackass you are for not commenting??

Khomp - Quit acting like this was about some stupid rating - I know you're not the only person I've "shunned," but most people have the balls to PM me or something if they want my amateur opinion on a tune, and I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO DO IT. You say you've posted 12 tunes in 2 months; are you recording all of these and asking for mix advice? or are you just throwing up "studio tunes" that were done 2 years ago to get some attention? I got the distinct impression that you don't have any intention of remixing this tune based on your comments, so why did I listen?

TO THE REST OF THE CLINIC:
Sorry for beating this rotting corpse of a horse again, but I've spent enough time here to freely admit that, yes, it DOES matter to me... I'm a silly, silly dork. But if somebody comes out and just starts attacking me, fuck 'em. I respond in kind.

But 98% of you are cool peeps, so I try to respond in kind there, too.

 

[Lt. Bob]

HEY CHRIS!!!!!!..........

CHRIS................I'm coming to Texas in a couple of weeks and I'd like to get together. PM me or , you have my e-mail, and lets talk about where you'll be.
BTW..........isn't Texas the, are you ready?,........LONE STAR STATE?!

 

[Toki987]

Are we getting closer to the good stuff now? you know... the beads of perspiration between the breasts and the eyes rolling up, the moans... and the breathing and jumpy skin n stuff... The hot raw primal sex?

cause I`m gettin short on popcorn here guys..damn...

 

[mbuster]

OK Khomp. What is your REAL problem? Chris didn't listen to your song? If you hate him so much why care if he listens to your song or not? As far as his "Bump Tactics" are concerned, I don't think you know what you're talking about. I can tell you from experience that when Chris is working on something (and when he posts a tune, it's because he's WORKING ON IT) he gets all excited and starts gabbing like a teenage girl. He's not trying to bump anyone off the front page or shun anyone or anything else. He's just having fun with his thread and his friends (and strangers). And don't think I'm kissing his ass either, I'm just telling you how it is. If you feel the need to bump your own thread up to get more people to listen to you feel free. I think you're a talented guy, and you write some intersting stuff, but you are acting like such a little baby. I cant believe you don't see it. Grow up.

 

[malcolm123]

Not even close to my Genre, but all the same,, I love all types of music. I crunk it up through my HR824s and it sounds damn good to me. I like the effects, I like the dynamics, Not sure what type of music this is, but still......... Good job

Im giving 3 would give 4, but I really do not know the genre well enough to compare it to anything,, or better yet,, im judging the mix. 4

Malcolm

 

[pglewis]

Some clicks, pops, skips in the begining especially. Don't know what's up there, but it's distracting. Nice groove and nice guitar sounds to go with it. Keeps my interest. Don't dig the heavy voc effects, I don't think your voice needs to hide behind all that and I don't think it benefits the song.

Drum machine sucks. Two ways I could see approaching that problem. One is: they don't sound like real drums, so why try to use traditional drum sounds? Go with something off the wall, weird, whatever. The other is: okay, it's what you have to work with... at least mix them like you mean it. Make the kick KICK. Don't let the snare sound so whimpy. You may be limited here, but I know you can do better than this. Someone mentioned NIN in reference to the drum machine, and I think that something like that could work well here... but the kick has to thump me and the percussion can't be so watered down.

Finally, I'm full of shit. Just my $.02. It's a cool idea, could be executed better IMO.

 

[Khompewtur]

Alright folks let's reconstruct the horse shall we?

posted by Chris You say you've posted 12 tunes in 2 months; are you recording all of these and asking for mix advice? or are you just throwing up "studio tunes" that were done 2 years ago to get some attention?

I've made 11 recordings from scratch at home on my DAW since April of this year and 1 tune I posted from a studio made 4 years ago. The home stuff I have kept everything on my site so I can have a "journal" of my learning progress, i just take all the mixing techniques i learned from the previous cut and apply it to the next project. When i have enough that I feel are of the best quality I'll go back and redo some of them, but that is after I feel certain enough in my mixing techniques and acquired any gear i may need. A lot of people have taken the time to aid and educate me and for them I cannot feel enough gratitude.

You probably saw the 1 recent thread ("Door to Door") that was a 4 year old studio cut and assumed they were all like that.

I have an old account at Nowhere that holds all the cuts from the studio album but all my recent threads have links to my personal site where my new stuff is. In that particular case I wanted to get a comparison of opinion from studio work to my current work and whether people thought paying for studio time had been worth the money.

Khomph seems to feel the need to mention my name in every other post in this fucker, let's see just how insane I am:

What are you talking about? After Guernica suggested letting it drop I did. You keep getting dragged back into this because your friends keep popping into my thread insisting "YOU GOTTA LOVE THE CHRIS!" "YOU GOTTA LOVE THE CHRIS!" I DONT have to love the chris, just in the same way we DONT all have to love the same style of music.



Look everyone..

Chris admits he was "shunning" me. He also doesn't admit but I suspect playing "leapfrog" with me. Well he may have wanted me to cozy up to him behind the scenes with a pm but I don't work that way I'm like a mirror. You put in kindness you get kindness back, you put in respect you get respect back and I always start on those default settings.

Shunning to me is saying "with intentional purpose I am going to deny the existence of someone even though I am fully aware of them".

shun ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shn)
tr.v. shunned, shun·ning, shuns
To avoid DELIBERATELY; keep away from.

This is COMPLETELY different from "not having time to comment on a thread, or not noticing a thread, not noticing a dozen threads etc.." which is what some here seem to be making it out to be. No, not the case here, I am not petty like that. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO CONCEPTS IS HUGE!


It appears Chris and I understand each other pretty well. He's purposely ignoring me, I fire a salvo, then we're taking pot shots at each other all damn day. It may not be a friendly understanding but we're on the same page. It really is no one else's business.

 

[pglewis]

<peanuts teacher voice> Wha whaaa, wha wawa waaaahn wah waaanh. </peanuts>

Okay, just a suggestion... could you make a cave thread and lets... just... get... back...to....


...music?

 

[chrisharris]

shun ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shn)
tr.v. shunned, shun·ning, shuns
To avoid DELIBERATELY; keep away from.

This is COMPLETELY different from "not having time to comment on a thread, or not noticing a thread, a friendly understanding but we're on the same page. It really is no one else's business.

Good fucking grief; Dude, go buy a clue. I put the word in quotes for a reason. You wanna' talk about EGOs?? Yes, yes you're so right. I was insanely jealous of you from the moment you stepped foot in here with that sexy avatar, and I've gone out of my way to "shun" you.



Besides, we've all now divined the truth; I'm just too busy bumping my own threads to notice the "khomps" of the world, lol.

You're a lot dimmer than I initially gave you credit for.

Yeah, yeah...back to music...jeez.