Life is making mistakes

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There is no doubt that market competition has driven innovation. The type of which has improved the lives of millions in myriad ways.

But I view the borderline worship and putting-on-a-pedestal of market driven innovation as unhealthy - and even reckless. It's like a religion for some folks. As if there is no other way for our species to advance.
 
Such good words! I love your message. That's so true. Many people are self-taught but also there are some who have musical education, and ofc If you're serious about it, specially in classical music, you'll have to compete in compititions and get recommendation letters. And surely top schools require even more! What are the schools you wanted to go to, If I may ask?
After high school I was interesting in either SUNY Potsdam, or SUNY Fredonia. I was born and raised in NY. Plus they were both close to Canada. Just in case.
 
When we went to Scarborough, it was about 11C and breezy and all I had were short sleeve shirts.
I chatted to an old guy who just moved down from Scarborough the other day.
Snippet: You can now get fined £500 for selling or buying an ice cream on Scarborough sea front. (because of gulls attacking people)
 
I chatted to an old guy who just moved down from Scarborough the other day.
Snippet: You can now get fined £500 for selling or buying an ice cream on Scarborough sea front. (because of gulls attacking people)
🤣 Eating ice cream was the absolute LAST thing on my mind!!! A bonfire on the beach would have been better. I just never expected things to be that cool in August. We're lucky if we hit 20C for a low!

But then in 2000, you didn't have internet search capability like today so I never thought about finding out what to expect. I remember spending a few pounds at an internet cafe in Chester just so I could catch up on email from home. Slow as molasses in... well.... Scarborough!
 
Living in the UK, you can get by without AC most of the year. I spent a few weeks in the UK years ago, and needed nothing more than a cracked window during the day and this was in the middle of August! When we went to Scarborough, it was about 11C and breezy and all I had were short sleeve shirts. I was freezing as we walked along the beach. When I got home, it was in the upper 90s and felt like an oven.

Live in the middle of the US where it gets into the upper 90s-100 (35-38C) for weeks at a time every year, with dew points in the mid to upper 70s, and you would feel differently. I remember lots of complaints earlier this summer where temps were above normal in UK, France and Italy. Didn't several thousand people die from the heat?
You may know that we too had very high temperatures this summer (46 C was the max I think?) Yes, that was bloody uncomfortable and that is from someone who is 20 years retired and can chose to do FA all day! But, one man's house or office block's AC is someone else's even higher temperature. Thermodynamics innit? You cannot destroy heat so the well off keep cool while the city "heat islands" get ever hotter.
AC needs electricity and at just the wrong time of year as the power lines are already at 30-40C + Keep installing more and more and something will pop.

Healthy adults can adapt to these temperatures*. I may be getting the wrong impression but I see movies of American cops and lawyers in 3 piece suits and ties in AC cooled offices!

* we are all ultimately "Rift valley people" after all!

Dave.
 
There is no doubt that market competition has driven innovation. The type of which has improved the lives of millions in myriad ways.

But I view the borderline worship and putting-on-a-pedestal of market driven innovation as unhealthy - and even reckless. It's like a religion for some folks. As if there is no other way for our species to advance.
I am not that sure that "market competition has improved the lives of millions" My view of the industrial revolution was that yes, it gave jobs to millions but they were mostly dirty, dangerous menial low paid jobs in crowded very filthy cities. Many would have been healthier and lived longer had they stayed on the farm!
The owners of production of course became ever more wealthy. A few, too few did put their wealth toward improving the lot of the common man but even this was paternalistic. They built them houses and civic centres but still did not pay all that well...CONTROL ALL about control!

Innovation from competition was and still is valuable in some cases but now 99% of the work is done and the data just fed to 3d printers and robots. As ever the owners of production get ever richer and the rest of humanity can just FO and die.

If we are to get to net zero we need to just do a 'king sight LESS of everything. That will need a new world economic model...I am not holding my breath. Or of course we can just keep bombing the shit out of people.

Dave.
 
I am not holding my breath.
Nor should you. The super wealthy economic elite have a death grip on policy and I do not predict that will change. Policy will continue to be set in their interests. The "invisible hand" is not going to save us.
 
Having a super rich class isn't anything new.

JD Rockefeller was worth an estimated $1.5 Billion in the early 1900s. The whole country's GDP was less than 90 Billion. Today's GDP is about $16 TRILLION.
Andrew Carnegie was worth about $480 million in 1901.
JP Morgan died in 1913, worth about $118 million.
Cornelius Vanderbilt died in 1877, worth about $100 million.
John Reeves Ellerman was a British shipping magnate who died in 1933 with a net worth of £36,684,000.

Factor in inflation of roughly 40 times in the past 125 years and they would all be multi billionaires.

All these people created their wealth by creating companies that were successful, and yes, sometime by somewhat ruthless means. But you don't create an oil empire, a railroad empire, an electric grid or a banking system by being stupid! It takes work, thought and action.

People complain about Elon Musk, worth about $1 Trillion. But he's not sitting that money in a vault and playing with it. He built Tesla Motors, SpaceX, StarLink, Boring Company, Neuralink, xAI, and other businesses, and worked to make them successful. When he builds a successful business and it goes public, his wealth is tied up in stock, which can go up or down. He uses that as collateral to move to a new business. If SpaceX were to go bankrupt (a possiblity early on before it went public), he could have lost that investment.

Jeff Bezos started selling books out of a garage in 1995. He got a $300,000 investment from his parents, but said there was a 70% chance it would fail. It became Amazon, the behemoth that sells everything and anything. He started Blue Origin and bought the Washington Post. Amazon bought Whole Foods. He's worth $380 billion, and plans to give most of that away before he dies.

Sam Walton bought a Ben Franklin store in 1946 with a loan from his father in law, plus money he had saved from his time in the army. He was forced out, but took that money to open another store. By 1962 he had 16 Ben Franklin 5&10 Cent stores. He opened the first Walmart store, modeled after Meijer's. By the time he died in 1992, he was worth $23 Billion. Today the family is worth over $400 Billion.

People that build things successfully can reap handsome rewards.

It doesn't always work out that way.

Elizabeth Holmes was worth about $4.5 Billion from her stake in Theranos. It was a fraud, and she lost it.
Sam Bankman-Fried started a major crypto exchange called FTX, and was worth $26 billion. It ran into liquidity issues and went bankrupt. He got 25 years in prison.
Eric Batista had oil and mining companies and was worth and estimated $30 billion. Brazil's economic downturn and missed production goals killed the business. He went bankrupt in 2013 and got 30 years on bribery charges.
Jocelyn Wildenstein won between $2.5 to $3.8 billion in a divorce in 1999. She didn't create anything, but spent lavishly. By 2018 she was bankrupt and it is said that later she living on $900/month social security!
Pablo Escobar was worth about $30 billion at his peak, selling mostly cocaine.


If you want to make a Billion dollars, go out and build a successful business. Just try not to do it by fraud, bribery or criminal means.
 
Hate to say it, but this thread should have been posted in Prime Time.
 
Yeah, but we get sidetracked sometimes! On the other hand, some of those listed in the lower part of the post "made some mistakes", which is in the thread title!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.... 😜
 
That money either you start with it or inherit it. From my thinking, it is important to keep working, at a job. I was able to buy almost anything I wanted as long I was getting a paycheck. You may have seen the amount of crap in my basement.

If youre not making money, you are spending money.

immensely.
 
That money either you start with it or inherit it. From my thinking, it is important to keep working, at a job. I was able to buy almost anything I wanted as long I was getting a paycheck. You may have seen the amount of crap in my basement.

If youre not making money, you are spending money.

immensely.
I can assure you I wasn't born into a world of wealth and I'm certainly not a Senator's son or worse yet...a trust fund kid who constantly ate from a silver spoon.
See, that is not grabbing a couple guys and playing some 4 chord rock n' roll. That is something with a lot of parts. I don't want that much accompaniment when I play. Lots of unnecessary clutter in there. Supportive instruments. My thinking is more blue collar, with a tuxedo paycheck.


Define "tuxedo paycheck"
 
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Yes, the super rich (and the poor) have always been with us and in one way or another they have been bastards. A great many fortunes were built with slave labour and in many parts of the world "near slavery" is still part of the economic model.
Even for the super rich, altruistic few it was a different world. Coal, oil, iron seemed to be in infinite supply and we could use and burn as much as we liked with impunity. No one gave a ***t about cutting down thousands of hectares of rain forest (except of course the poor sods that lived in and off it!) "They" thought they were masters of the planet and had a god given right to exploit it as they saw fit and that there would be no repercussions. We now know better but still the world spews out CO2 as a result of making billions of "things" we don't really need.

As I said we need to reduce all forms of industry except those needed to to support people. Fewer journeys of all kinds. Yes, that will cost jobs but that is why we need a new economic system. I am old enough to remember the coming of "automation" as it was then called. People will only work a 3 day week and be better off and be able to have a happier, healthier more cultured life. What happened instead was that the owners of the "automation" just got richer and the workers lost their jobs.

And yes, this probably should be in Prime Time but I never go there.

Dave.
 
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As I said we need to reduce all forms of industry except those needed to to support people.

Dave.
The problem there is that there are WAY more people to support. That means more resources and space. We didn't hit a billion people until 1800. Today it's 8 billion. Some estimates say 10 billion in 25 more years. More births and longer lifespans are the contributors. And those people don't want to live like it's the 1600s. They want their fancy clothes, food (delivered), cell phones, cars and 2500 sq ft starter homes.

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The problem there is that there are WAY more people to support. That means more resources and space. We didn't hit a billion people until 1800. Today it's 8 billion. Some estimates say 10 billion in 25 more years. More births and longer lifespans are the contributors. And those people don't want to live like it's the 1600s. They want their fancy clothes, food (delivered), cell phones, cars and 2500 sq ft starter homes.

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I remember in grade school in the 60's them saying there were about 6.8 billion people at the time. Wow! That changed so fast!
 
Aha! I wondered when the Population Problem would crop up! Like the fact of a finite earth there is no ethical solution to the world's population but there are encouraging trends and some mitigations so obvious that many wonder why they are not done? Then the very first thing to bear in mind is that a child born in an advanced industrial country is FAR more damaging to the planet than those in what used to be called the "third world".

First off, it is a fact that as a people become a bit more prosperous and educated, especially girls the birthrate starts to drop. Indeed in many advanced economies the birthrate is worryingly low! If I should hit 90 I want some kids left to pay my pension! The birthrate also falls when countries have a decent social safety net to care for its elderly. Poor countries tend to have high infant mortality and so people want some kids to survive to care for them.

Another big myth is food production. The world easily produces enough food it is just in the wrong place and there is little will to get it in the right one. Also, we most of us eat too much. I bet what I eat in a week would feed a family in rural Africa for a month!

Then as said before..."economics innit"? So long as 1% of the population own or control 90% of everything people will starve. "They" are eating all the buns.

Dave.
 
I don't make global thinking money. I make local thinking money. Just pay my bills, taxes, mortgage. Insurance. Dentist, gotta have teeth. Nice car. Bike. Thats the game.

I downsized to a tiny home 3 years ago. I'm livin it large! I Love it. My cost of living went down to pocket change. A 1BR cottage with a basement and a loft w/ fenced spare lot. When I sold my old ranch house my taxes were $8,000 broken into 2 payments every 6. Now they are just under $1900 every 12.

Worrying about everyone else is somebody else's job.
 
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Here, let this sink in..

OPEC said, in 100 years we have burned through 1/2 the Earths wealth of petroleum.

it wont be too much longer. for what it is worth, it was a good ride. A real Renaissance, the biggest ever.
 
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