punkin
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The cab has nice tucked handles, firm siding, 12" cones and a partially open back...what's not to like?! 
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bigbubba
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Oh, sorry you caught me. I'm a homerecorder. LOL. I wouldn't know that kind of gear if it was standing in front of me saying, "moo!"punkin said:The cab has nice tucked handles, firm siding, 12" cones and a partially open back...what's not to like?!
I'm familiar with orange Boss DR pedals other than my Crate amp. That's where my gear expertise come to a screeching halt. But I might have to start looking into some other stuff especially if I wanna go practice with others.
Chris Shaeffer
Peavey ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I own a mid-80's LP custom and I've played a few Epi LP's. I've also played a new LP studio that a friend of mine owns.
They all feel very different. I wouldn't say the Epi LP is a fake, I'd just call it a different guitar. The lead guitarist in my band has one and prefers it to my back-breakin' LP Custom. I prefer mine, but I've been playing it since I was 16.
I bought it when I was in high school because I knew I'd never be able to afford it when I had my own bills to pay... and its true- I don't think I'd buy one now.
I don't like the LP Studios, though.
I want to, but they feel like all the expense of a Gibson with all the quality of an Epi. More like the worst of both worlds than the best. But that may just be because I don't like the way it feels- the flat top drives me crazy.
Back when I bought the LP my jamming buddy bought a Gibson SG standard. What a different guitar! Light, raw, and delightfully barbaric somehow. I liked it a lot. I haven't played the Epi SG's, yet.
I ramble, but hopefully that's another perspective that will become meaningless once you've played YOUR guitar.
take care,
Chris
They all feel very different. I wouldn't say the Epi LP is a fake, I'd just call it a different guitar. The lead guitarist in my band has one and prefers it to my back-breakin' LP Custom. I prefer mine, but I've been playing it since I was 16.
I bought it when I was in high school because I knew I'd never be able to afford it when I had my own bills to pay... and its true- I don't think I'd buy one now.
I don't like the LP Studios, though.
I want to, but they feel like all the expense of a Gibson with all the quality of an Epi. More like the worst of both worlds than the best. But that may just be because I don't like the way it feels- the flat top drives me crazy. Back when I bought the LP my jamming buddy bought a Gibson SG standard. What a different guitar! Light, raw, and delightfully barbaric somehow. I liked it a lot. I haven't played the Epi SG's, yet.
I ramble, but hopefully that's another perspective that will become meaningless once you've played YOUR guitar.
take care,
Chris
punkin
Univalve & Avatar Speaks
Amen brutha...we're makin' music. The instrument is an extension of the player...am I right!? If it works, it works...
SHEPPARDB.
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If you cant tell the difference between an Epi and LesPaul,consider it abigbubba said:
strong indication that you should save your cash until you become a more
experienced player.
If you cant tell the difference between U2 and traditional rock and roll,
consider it a strong indication that you need more experience as a listener.
mx_mx
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Not to rain on anyone's parade, but how does he become a more experienced player with no guitar?SHEPPARDB. said:
Agreed on the U2 thing though
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bigbubba
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Chris Shaeffer - Thanks for your input. That's a good point of view of buying the guitar when you can afford it. Did your friend's SG last and is your friend still playing the SG?
I guess I was more thinking pop rock, glam rock and typical rock 'n roll as opposed to the really fast headbanging metal rock, metal rap and other metal genres where you don't really see people playing nice Les Pauls with "burnt cherry" tops and nice coatings. I mentioned U2, 'coz they don't generally jump around playing insane 10 minutes solos, oh as opposed to Iron Maiden, or some other such band.
So even I agree with your comment.
About not being able to tell the guitar, I can tell the difference immediately in how it feels to me when holding it, how the neck feels, how the frets and the finger board feel, and how the strings and the string bending feels. How the body feels and how conducive the body style is to my way of holding and playing to my style of playing. But the tone, I can tell a little bit depending on whether I have access to many guitars at the same time that I can plug into the same amp and see how they sound. But mostly I can't do it because at the guitar center there's a ton of kids just jamming to their own soloing and their own tune. Everybody playing out loud at the same time, just sounds like pointless noise and you can't try to figure out the subtle things about different guitars. Sometimes, the practice rooms will be available and I'll get in there and get some privacy.
Traditional rock 'n roll and U2. I really walked into that one. Traditional is absolutely the wrong word to have used here. And U2 is the wrong reference.SHEPPARDB. said:
I guess I was more thinking pop rock, glam rock and typical rock 'n roll as opposed to the really fast headbanging metal rock, metal rap and other metal genres where you don't really see people playing nice Les Pauls with "burnt cherry" tops and nice coatings. I mentioned U2, 'coz they don't generally jump around playing insane 10 minutes solos, oh as opposed to Iron Maiden, or some other such band.So even I agree with your comment.
About not being able to tell the guitar, I can tell the difference immediately in how it feels to me when holding it, how the neck feels, how the frets and the finger board feel, and how the strings and the string bending feels. How the body feels and how conducive the body style is to my way of holding and playing to my style of playing. But the tone, I can tell a little bit depending on whether I have access to many guitars at the same time that I can plug into the same amp and see how they sound. But mostly I can't do it because at the guitar center there's a ton of kids just jamming to their own soloing and their own tune. Everybody playing out loud at the same time, just sounds like pointless noise and you can't try to figure out the subtle things about different guitars. Sometimes, the practice rooms will be available and I'll get in there and get some privacy.
surfmaster
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also, look into agile les paul copys. even though they are copys, they actually sound better than any epi ive played. they make a killer les paul copy, but im not so sure about their sgs. go to www.rondomusic.com and check out their les pauls in the price range of 160 and upwards, the ones below are just crap. i was going to order one the other day but i got a sweet deal on a laney amp so i went with that instead.
ibanezrocks
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I consider the Epi Les Paul to be fakes, they're alright if you really can't afford anything better, but more Les Paul like tones can be had from similarly priced guitars of better quality that don't even look like a Les Paul.
As for SGs vs. Les Pauls, I'm much more of an SG person myself, but neither one is better, and both have their own advantages and disadvantages.
As for SGs vs. Les Pauls, I'm much more of an SG person myself, but neither one is better, and both have their own advantages and disadvantages.
Editor
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For what its worth; never judge a book by its name brand. I've come across a couple of guitars that play themselves. Those were the ones that I wish I had now but they weren't 'cool' enough. Sometimes they were famous names, sometimes not.
According to people out front, the best guitar I ever played was a Gibson Melody Maker; tobacco sunburst, single pickup that cost me $150 (Leslie West played an identical model but mine was a 3/4 size neck). Always hated that thing but people told me it sounded great. I played a Telecaster in Minneapolis that I could have picked up for $100 -- I think I can still hear the sustaining note I played on it in 1976 ;-) ... but I thought Tele's were for country players so I didn't buy it.
(BTW EURT: I thinh SG's are the best ... could never make them work but they should have sounded great. Mine was a double dual-coil (black) with a Bigsby tailpiece. Neck was just too fat (Gibson))
I had the privelege to talk to Liona Boyd (classical gut string diva/babe/droid). She told me she went to Venezuela to pick out the TREE that a famous luthier was to make a guitar for her from ... in 4 years! At her level, I suppose that makes sense (plus she's a babe/ drool-droid so whutever she says makes sense) but it taught me that acoustic is different from electric. Liona never told me the name of the guitar or the luthier but I knew it would be a good guitar.
Pick out something that looks good (kinda like picking out a wife, but don't take my advice ;-) Play it ... if it feels good, plug in (kinda like pickin' out a wif ... never mind
Don't worry about the name.
Anyway, you get the idea.
According to people out front, the best guitar I ever played was a Gibson Melody Maker; tobacco sunburst, single pickup that cost me $150 (Leslie West played an identical model but mine was a 3/4 size neck). Always hated that thing but people told me it sounded great. I played a Telecaster in Minneapolis that I could have picked up for $100 -- I think I can still hear the sustaining note I played on it in 1976 ;-) ... but I thought Tele's were for country players so I didn't buy it.
(BTW EURT: I thinh SG's are the best ... could never make them work but they should have sounded great. Mine was a double dual-coil (black) with a Bigsby tailpiece. Neck was just too fat (Gibson))
I had the privelege to talk to Liona Boyd (classical gut string diva/babe/droid). She told me she went to Venezuela to pick out the TREE that a famous luthier was to make a guitar for her from ... in 4 years! At her level, I suppose that makes sense (plus she's a babe/ drool-droid so whutever she says makes sense) but it taught me that acoustic is different from electric. Liona never told me the name of the guitar or the luthier but I knew it would be a good guitar.
Pick out something that looks good (kinda like picking out a wife, but don't take my advice ;-) Play it ... if it feels good, plug in (kinda like pickin' out a wif ... never mind
Don't worry about the name.Anyway, you get the idea.
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bigbubba
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Thanks all for replying. Interesting points you guys have made.
surfmaster - That's a great idea about looking for copies. The only hesitation I would have that I don't care for piling up guitar after guitar so when I buy the next one, I'll wanna sell the LP copy and it might not sell. I've bought a cheap "rock axe" (made in China) guitar for $75 that I couldn't sell for more than $25 later.
ibanezrocks - Yeah I thought some people might consider the Epi's to be fake LPs. That's why I asked that. I would definitely want an LP standard for playing sweet slow rock melodies and adult contemporary tunes. For doing even other fun stuff where the tone matters. I'd like an SG for the cool factor, better fingerboard feel, better access, and good stage presence.
Editor - I'd try that theory with the wife part but I doubt that'll work. Playing women generally ends up badly for the guy. Anyhoo, about the guitars, that's true. I've played guitars in the past that are just not rival by most big names. I'd like a nice Gretsch for fun times and for doing slower songs too. They just sound and feel like. They also have good fingerboard appeal. I like guitars that feel comfortable to play 'coz your fingers don't focus on the rugged frets and just do what comes naturally and sometimes, just sometimes, that can be pretty beautiful sounding. I've also really really like the PRS guitar that I played once. Only that one though.
If I could only have one new guitar, I'd go for the SG. That's just me, though. Still looking.
Anyhoo, thanks all for sharing. Keep any ideas coming.
surfmaster - That's a great idea about looking for copies. The only hesitation I would have that I don't care for piling up guitar after guitar so when I buy the next one, I'll wanna sell the LP copy and it might not sell. I've bought a cheap "rock axe" (made in China) guitar for $75 that I couldn't sell for more than $25 later.
ibanezrocks - Yeah I thought some people might consider the Epi's to be fake LPs. That's why I asked that.
I would definitely want an LP standard for playing sweet slow rock melodies and adult contemporary tunes. For doing even other fun stuff where the tone matters. I'd like an SG for the cool factor, better fingerboard feel, better access, and good stage presence. Editor - I'd try that theory with the wife part but I doubt that'll work. Playing women generally ends up badly for the guy.
Anyhoo, about the guitars, that's true. I've played guitars in the past that are just not rival by most big names. I'd like a nice Gretsch for fun times and for doing slower songs too. They just sound and feel like. They also have good fingerboard appeal. I like guitars that feel comfortable to play 'coz your fingers don't focus on the rugged frets and just do what comes naturally and sometimes, just sometimes, that can be pretty beautiful sounding. I've also really really like the PRS guitar that I played once. Only that one though.If I could only have one new guitar, I'd go for the SG. That's just me, though. Still looking.
Anyhoo, thanks all for sharing. Keep any ideas coming.
ibanezrocks
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Don't get me wrong, I don't mean the "fake LP" in a negative sense, they are fine guitars for the money as I stated. They are however fake in the sense that although they look almost exactly like Gibson LPs there are guitars out there for similar prices that IMO sound more like an authentic LP. An example of this would be an Ibanez Artist, or a ESP LC(or whatever their LP copy is named).bigbubba said:ibanezrocks - Yeah I thought some people might consider the Epi's to be fake LPs. That's why I asked that.
By all means don't think that you will be disappointed with the Epi, I know I would be but there are tons of people who aren't. However if the "traditional" LP sound is what your aiming for there are better guitars for that in your budget. If you just love the look of a Les Paul and you dont have your heart set on that exact sound the Epi would be a good option for you.
mx_mx
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Best advice ever. A lot of people don't know or care what a real les paul is supposed to sound like, me included. Hence why I'm happy with an epi. Just don't go trying out a Gibson if you can't afford it, cos then you won't be satisfied when you have to settle for an epi.ibanezrocks said:
surfmaster
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just one thing to realize is that gibsons are so expensive due to their name. they are in high demand, therefore they are at a higher price. gibson could charge whatever they want for an sg, people would still find the money for them because its a gibson. just check out some reviews and dont shoot down rip offs right away.
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/Agile/AL2000-1.html
-surf
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/Agile/AL2000-1.html
-surf
cephus
Slow Children Playing
You guys sure are being nice to someone who said he doesn't want to get an SG because he doesn't like Angus Young as a person and calls U2 "traditional rock 'n roll".
I suggest you look at some other les-paul copies out there. They come in several flashy colors and can have one or more pickups. Some even have enough room for your favorite skateboard stickers. with the money that you saved from not buying a gibson and get yourself a really long leather strap with chrome skulls and iron crosses.
I'm just jackin' with you, dude. I know it's overlooked, but there are reasons to love a guitar more than just how it sounds or plays. When I hung my first blue strat around my neck, I thought I was a hundred feet tall and a thousand years old.
I suggest you look at some other les-paul copies out there. They come in several flashy colors and can have one or more pickups. Some even have enough room for your favorite skateboard stickers. with the money that you saved from not buying a gibson and get yourself a really long leather strap with chrome skulls and iron crosses.
I'm just jackin' with you, dude. I know it's overlooked, but there are reasons to love a guitar more than just how it sounds or plays. When I hung my first blue strat around my neck, I thought I was a hundred feet tall and a thousand years old.
punkin
Univalve & Avatar Speaks
Hang a Gibson LP around your neck for a couple hours will make you feel real old too . They put extra gravity in those things I tell ya 
. They put extra gravity in those things I tell ya 
pohaku
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I have an 83 LP Standard. Pristine and red metal flake. Bought it out of the newspaper for $300 in 1987. Heaviest damn guitar in the world (I'm not an overly large person), but it sounds just great and plays very smoothly. I have a PRS as well, but it still doesn't sound like the LP when you want THAT sound.
You really need to play the instruments you are considering to have a better feel for what you might like. All the necks and PUPs will be different. If it matters, Pete Townshend and Frank Zappa were two noted users of the SG for significant parts of their careers. There are lots of others. It's not just AC/DC. Personally, I don't like the SG neck as much as the LP, which brings me back to -- you got to play them.
You really need to play the instruments you are considering to have a better feel for what you might like. All the necks and PUPs will be different. If it matters, Pete Townshend and Frank Zappa were two noted users of the SG for significant parts of their careers. There are lots of others. It's not just AC/DC. Personally, I don't like the SG neck as much as the LP, which brings me back to -- you got to play them.
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bigbubba
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I agree with your post. However, the issue is: If you like the Les Paul somewhat and the look of it and all that but never really get one then how would you really know what you're missing. I mean if you can't play it at all times and get a feel for what the Les Paul sound is or why the Epi LP is different, then that sucks.ibanezrocks said:
But I do like the Les Paul for the look of it and I want a Gibson after having played the Fender Squire to continue with the sound pallete and the playing experience offered by a Gibson?
Am I against other brands? No! The Ibanez option offered by you (and I think couple of others) is a great option. I mean I hadn't considred the Ibanez seriously until you guy mentioned it.
My main point was how would I know the beauty of a good guitar if it is out of my budget?
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bigbubba
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mx_mx - True, I'm keeping my options open now and I'm considering the Ibanez and some others like copies.
cephus - I don't have anything against Angus Young. I've even enjoyed the occassional ACDC song on the radio. I just didn't _like_ ACDC and the music played by them.
punkin - I'm gonna go ask for a Gibson LP and an Epi LP and a strap and just get into one of the practice rooms and see which one feels heavy after a while. I may not buy the git, but that's why the practice rooms are there.
pohaku - You're not dissing the PRS, are you? kidding. I like the SG because of the neck feel. Funny how people are different. I'm not a huge fella either.
True, I'm glad I posted here 'coz I have much better options available now. Thanks all of you guys.surfmaster said:
cephus - I don't have anything against Angus Young. I've even enjoyed the occassional ACDC song on the radio. I just didn't _like_ ACDC and the music played by them.
punkin - I'm gonna go ask for a Gibson LP and an Epi LP and a strap and just get into one of the practice rooms and see which one feels heavy after a while. I may not buy the git, but that's why the practice rooms are there.
pohaku - You're not dissing the PRS, are you? kidding. I like the SG because of the neck feel. Funny how people are different. I'm not a huge fella either.
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bigbubba
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punkin, thanks for your advice. I tried to PM you but your box is full. Oh well, I'll say thanks here.