Just bought 3 SM 57's . Something is very wrong. Please help!

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Ok look regebro. those quote I posted above are in exact order of events.


I said "well the kit I bought plainly states that placeing these M 57's on these Tom mounted clips is fine"


And Bruce replies with
""Hmmm... I get rattle from the vibration of the toms when the mic is contacting it... what could the solution be... obviously, isolation..., but Shure put these clips in there so it MUST work!!!"


How can you say thats not sarcasm?

How can you say thats not very rude?

How Regebro? You seem to be intelligent.

The above statements are just my feverish imagination?

I think not.


Bruce turned my question around on me. Made it look like I was mounting them wrong and then asking stupid questions like "Why is it rattling?

I never asked such a stupid question. But Brce insisted on includeing this in his answer.



And as far as me telling everyone to Fuck off for bitching about Cross Posting. I never told everyone to fuck off.

I told the nit pics who were offended by my posting one extra post in a appropriate forum to fuck off. So I guess if thsts everyone then so be it.

You see I never took this pact that you seem to have with each other to change your BBS options to where you see ALL forums at once.

And I never will. So if you all see double posts its because you choose to see double posts.

What really erks me about that is folks acted like I was spamming a website link in a dozen forums. This was not the case. this was me asking a question in 2 VERY appropriate forums.

I mean if everyone has it to where you see all posts why are there forums? Might aswell get rid of them and make one forum called home recording forum.

I know you regulars look at me like oh what a noob when in fact you are the ones not using the BBS correctly.

If you guys were to keep things in the proper forums you would never see any double posts.

Ya see I looked at it this way. theres regualrs in forum A and there regulars in forum B. Both A and B forums are appropriate for said topic so I would like to get the opion f the regulars in forum A aswell as the opinion of regulars in forum B.

Excuse the fuck out of me for not knowing that you all have agreed amongstt yourselves that we will not use forums anymore.

Excuse the fuck out of me for using the forums the way they were designed.


and bottom just excuse the fuck out of me for causeing waves in your perfect lil pound of sarcasm.
 
We should hack into his machine and erase his cookie. Chances are he won't remember his login password.
 
You call this wishng someone luck Lou?
Wow. I guess you don't plan on being here long, yeah?

I won't presume to lecture you on board etiquette - I'm sure you realize you've pretty much guaranteed you'll never get constructive input after this display. Good luck to you wherever you may land.

lou
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Fuck you Lou


Oh ALL SPOOFING ASIDE...................Fuck you Lou :)
 
Hey great idea Matte Boy.

How bout I report you for threatning to do illegal activty?

Sound like a good idea to you?
 
Sky Blue Lou said:
Fellow board members,

What is proper etiquette for dealing with trolls? Do we ignore them till they go away? Or is it considered acceptable to pad our post counts while practising insults?

lou
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Flame away, this aint no fuckin tea party.

Newton, do you always conduct yourself with such tact when entering new social situations?
 
Newton's Third Law:

"For every figment of my imagination, there is an unequal and pathetic over-reaction."
 
Newton's First Law:

"Any asshole tends to stay an asshole unless an external force is applied to it."
 
Yeah, I feel all dirty now. Sorry sjoko.

Goodbye newton.
 
regebro,

please teach this dude how to use the "ignore" function......:D
 
wasn't sighing at you Lou...
just at the forum attracting jerry springer mentality morons like NL

Oh by the way Newtons Law, you are 100% right, Shure 57's are designed purposefully to be clip mounted on drums, please use them like that. Also brilliant to clip one actually ON the kick beater - try that. But whatever you do, keep using those clips!!!
 
sjoko2 said:


Oh by the way Newtons Law, you are 100% right, Shure 57's are designed purposefully to be clip mounted on drums, please use them like that. Also brilliant to clip one actually ON the kick beater - try that. But whatever you do, keep using those clips!!!
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anyone smell sarcasm?:eek: :D :rolleyes: :p ;) :cool:
 
When you enter someone's home you are considered a guest.

A guest is required to respect those wishes and/or rules of the homeowner once those wishes/rules have been clearly stated.

You have decided to enter our home here at this forum. A mistake was made and that is acceptable. You were advised of the rules afterward and that should have been the end of it.

There is no sense in rehashing your same point over and over. You will not change the rules here. If you do not agree, or cannot abide by these rules, you are free to leave.

By force if necessary.
 
No texas I am rarly irate like this.

With all thats going on in the world Mid east crisis and all im on edge.
My music and recording is the only thing that helps to take my mind of the insanity that is real life.

Its the fact that all these people are making me out to be a monster and thats making me more and more ugly. Iv dug a hole alright. But a hole thats so deep people cant seem to see who actualy started the digging.

Id like to run though the chain of events one more time cause its pissing me off that everyone seems to think I started all this shit . :(



Once upon a time.............

I had been wanting to experiment with recording a live drum set for along time. had my eyes on these mics for 6 months.

Finaly got them and the rattle drove me nuts.
I raced in here to find out if this is the way Sm 57's are.

And basicly it was answered in the very first post by Leekage.

And Blue offered his first post.
The mics should not be clipped to the toms directly....

You use boom stands to allow them to be free-standing, but of course aiming them to where they need to be positioned.......
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Good advice indeed. and yes very blunt and direct, But he didnt answer my question. I knew that the mic was rattling because it was mounted directly to the tom. And I knew I could remedy it in several ways. My question was "Is it normal for the Mics End caps to be so loose as I bought this as a kit and unless I was robbed by Marketing there shouldnt be a problem useing these Mics with these clips mounted directly to toms."

This was my reply:
That solution of mounting to stands instead of toms sounds solid friend but I bought this as a drum Mic kit.

It comes with 1 Beta 52, 3 SM 57's and 3 Mounting clips. Granted they say mounting to stands is an option but these clips were really designed to go directly on the rims of the drums.

All throughout the documentation and even the pics on the box they are all cliped directly to the rims of the toms.

I guess what Im trying to find out is if the package I bought is performing the way it should. Clips and all.
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Now Blue must not have liked the idea of me not taking his advice cause heres where he started to be sarcastic and rude to me.

Blues next reply was:
Well... I suspect a marketing team put together the acccessories for the "drum mic kit" rather than the engineering team...

"Hmmm... I get rattle from the vibration of the toms when the mic is contacting it... what could the solution be... obviously, isolation..., but Shure put these clips in there so it MUST work!!!"

The laws of physics can't be negated by the power of the marketing department!
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Granted the first line was directed twords Shure. But the middle section was definitly directed twords me and was very rude and sarcastic. I cant see why you people dont see this.

He even goes so far as to post the very next reply with even more sarcasm.

Bruce:
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Originally posted by Newtons Law:
All throughout the documentation and even the pics on the box they are all cliped directly to the rims of the toms.
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Yeah... dude... those pics weren't taken in a recording session, they were done in a PHOTO STUDIO!!!

Think about it!


Seriously though, all spoofing aside.... '57s are NOT clip-on mics and were not designed that way.....

You could possiby argue that they owe you some money for those lcip-ons (since you can't use 'em and you paid for them...) -- but I'm guessing they're about one-quarter of 1% of the total price!
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Now at this point Bruce is attacking me with sarcasm and being rude and I havent said a damn thing to him thats negative. Not one damn thing!
How can you not see this? :(
Sure he says "All Spoofing aside at the end" but comon man thats bullshit he was being rude and sarcastic and you know it :(


Now this was my next post :
Well my friend your sarcasm and undenyable knowledge saturates my eyes as I lay them upon this synchronised plethura of pixles

But your missing a big point here.
These mics are not rattling because they are on the clips which are connected to the rims of the toms. And before you spout off more sarcasm I know and understand how conductivity and vibration could produce a rattle.

These Mics are IN FACT rattling because the screen housing is very loose. For if I use a piece of tape like the gentlmen above advised problem solved.

Or another solution.

Use my Beta 57 which has a nice tight screen housing. Which produces no rattle what so ever even thoe it is mounted directly to the rim of the tom as you so ill advised.


Basicly Ive heard so much about these SM 57's as being the Swiss Army Mic of the Mic world. Yet I cant even mic a tom without a rattle even thoe I am using the appropriate mounting equipment.
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Now at this point Im dishing back a lil bit of sarcasm. But please note Im still being polite.



Now this was Bruces next reply:
I wasn't being sarcastic as much as somewhat humourous..... you should learn to lighten up if you plan on sticking around these forums! (And I hope you do stick around -- there are a lot of good people here with a lot of valuable info!)

The fact remains that the sm57 is not designed to be a contact mic in high-vibration situations.... the clip attaches to the tom and is subject to vibration... the mic being attached to the clip is therefore also affected by the vibration.... the vibration is causing the mic housing to rattle.........

Therefore, the solution is to place the mic in such a way as to minimize exposure to vibration...................................... which means a boom stand!

I have yet to see any application of a SM57 being clipped-on to toms........
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He says for me to Lighten up as if hes saying Im just kidding.

Persoanly I do not find being rude and sarcastic to strangers funny :(

And in this post he also lays down the Law of Bruce.
Basicly saying "This is how it is because I say so and if you think otherwise your are an idiot"


Now at this point he has nit picked me about asking for help in the recording forum aswell. Granted mabey against etiquit and frowned upon seeing how everyone seems to have a system in place here. Persoanly Iv alwaysed used Froums on a BBS and this is why I felt it was harmless to post in there as it was also an appropriate forum.
Very comon Noob mistake. But you acted like I was spamming this in all the forums. I had no idea you ALL have a standard method for using this board which is very far away from the way this BBS was designed.

I find it funny I refer to you all as if you were one person. Mabey its because you guys keep refering to yourselves as WE. As if your all in cahoots somehow which i think is another thing that kinda pissed me off because you make it sound like Im attacking ALL of you. meaning everyone that visits this board.


Anyway back to the chain of events here.......

At this point I was still being polite to Bruce. Granted Im dishing out some sarcasm that he rightfully deserves.

My next reply:
Yes my friend like I said I know why they are vibrating and I know how to remedy the problem.

My initial question was to find out if there was something defective with these mics.

Ive never owned a SM 57 till now so I did not know if the loose screen houseing was normal or not.


I just wanted to clarify this before I took them back and looked like a fool.


Guitar center:
Hi may I help you

Mic Noob:
Ahh these mics are broke

Guitar center: Ahh no their not

Mic Noob:
Oh......... ok


So I wanted to skip that scenerio all together.

Personaly I think its a design flaw then as the Beta 57 works fantastic being mounted to the rim of the tom.

I just wish I had 3 Beta 57's instead of 3 SM 57's now
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Now Bruces next post is what tipped me over the edge:

Bruce:
There's nothing wrong with your fuckin' mics........... there's something wrong with the way you're trying to use them.......

Throw the fuckin' clips out the goddamn door and get yourself some proper boom stands.................!

Ged'dit now?!?!?!?!


(And this time, I'm NOT trying to be humourous.........)
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Now this is the last draw. Gloves are off and me and Bruce are at each others throats.

And while me and Bruce are flameing away I get so many people jumping into to flame me.

And everyone seems to think its my fault. And that just makes me more furious.

The quotes I posted above are in exact order. This is exactly how it happend.
If you dont believe me go to this thread and look for yourselves


MY CROSS POST


Im getting sick of people caling me the instigator when the proof is posted above that Blue started his shit FIRST! He obviously got offended that I didnt agree with his advice becuase I was really trying to solve another issue. The issues of finding out if the brand new mics I bought are defective.

Granted at this point I have completly blown my top. And Im in a open fire mode right now shooting at everyone that seems to have the need to come in here and attack me with more flames (YES I MEAN YOU REGEBRO! YOU TRY TO PLAY THIS KOOL GUY ROLE AND THROW AROUND THE WORD "RATIONALISE" BUT ALL IN ALL YOUR SIMPLY IN HERE TO FLAME ME!) but I DID NOT START THIS.

I simply refused to take shit from a Rude, Sarcastic, know it all that thought he was going to school a noob with his all mighty law of engineering.


Well with all thats said and done it looks like the whole fucking board hates me.

Well if none of you can see that I was simply defending myslelf when this started then I think your blind and really dont care if you hate me or like me.


So be it
 
finally! Good result! You really don't care if we hate you or like you.
Cool, nobody cares, so stop wasting space with crap and move on?
 
Senn,

I know I got out of hand about the cross post issue.
that all stemmed from the agravtion of this other issue.

Like I said I never meant to break the rules of this household.
I simply used the forums the way they were intended to.

I truly feel it was harmless to post this topic in an additional forum

I certainly was not spamming and didnt deserve to be treated as one.

I wont be cross posting anymore. But I wont be changeing my list view to where I see all posts either.
I will continue to use forums as they were desgined.
And I will not apologise to any of the Nit Pics.

I cant stand a Nit Pic.

And when I say Nit Pic I mean someone who just cant wait to correct you even when you slip up in the slightest way.
They just love to prove you wrong.

A Nit Pic is the taddle tail that told on the kids that were smking in the bathroom :)

Pee on the Nit Pics.

See personaly If I was to see a double post such as the one I posted I wouldnt give a rats ass about it. I wouldnt race to the thread to say " ah ah ah you cant do that here"

Now if he was to post in several forums or post spamm links to theur personal websites then I would be pissed and go in and straighten the lil punk out.


My point being I dont think I deserved the NO NO NO ah ah ah treatment I got about this 1 extra post.


But as I said if yall hate me for that so be it
 
El joke O

My favorite new buddy.

Funny you mention waste o space yet you cant seem to keep your nose out of this thread. And judging by the smilies you got everywhere your having a grand ol time in here.

Arnt you the one that said it was a waste of time for me to be posting in here?

Why are you so concerned with how I spend my time?
Why are you wasting your time worring about what I do with my time?
 
Newton... idiot-boy... clueless... or whatever the fuck your name is.........

- I WASN'T being rude....

- YOU were being overreactive....

- You ABSOLUTELY brought this all on yourself....

- You ARE a newbie, and judging by your apparent attitude, destined to stay that way, 'cos you certainly don't want to learn anything from people here (there ARE a number of pros here that COULD HAVE taught you a few things....)

- No one gives a flying fuck about some cocky, clueless, wannabe with a bad attitude.....

- Incidently, Sjoko is an industry veteran.... an extremely serious pro with credentials up the wazoo... you should congratulate yourself on pissing away another source of valuable information.... you really DO want to maintain that wannabe status, don't you?!?! :rolleyes:


Either start contributing something useful to this site, or get the fuck out of here.....

moron........... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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