Just bought 3 SM 57's . Something is very wrong. Please help!

[Newtons Law]

Is that all you have to say?

I mean you really havent said jack shit El Joke O

Just tossing logs onto the flames is all your doing.


BTW

Moron alert?

Couldnt you come up with something a lil more childish?
I mean comon man thats about as cheesy as saying "I know you are but what am I?"

Mabey even worse.



I mean did you actually think that Moron alert shit was funny in the slightest?

Man you relly are a geek lol

 

[Roel]

Newtons law. You are pretty stupid.

You come in here, start flaming on people that help out most newbies (euhm, that means you too) here because they answer your question, and say that you shouldn't crosspost here.

Think about it, the people that know their shit, and come in here all the time to answer and read other posts, are not gonna browse this thing forum by forum. They just read all the new posts, since it's way easier and less timeconsuming that way. And since you don't know your shit if you only can answer posts in one forum and not in another one.

The organisation in the different forums is mainly to keep it organized, posts on the same topic in the same place. That's logical. But if you're interested in homerec in general, you dont care what post it is in.

Who am I kidding replying to this thread. What a waste of time.

Newton, get out!

 

[Roel]

For I dont care how much he insists not to use clips I find there is not a damn thing wrong with using clips giving the apprpriate mic is on them clips.

Again it all falls back to my original question "MY SM 57'S HAVE A LOOSE END CAP. IS THIS NORMAL?"

So Brucie here NEVER answered my question.

Are you stupid?? Bruce DID answer your question. Those caps are loose for a reason. Bruce gave you the freakin' reason. Would it be normal that they are loose if there's a reason for them being loose??

Btw, you got serious with buying a VS1680, a drummachine and an SM57? Very serious. That's not serious. THIS is just a little bit serious. If I was paid for that gig, then I'd start considering it serious.

I learned everything on my own too. And I still work on a VS1880 at home. But believe me, with that attitude, you're gonna stay on your VS1680 for a while.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

When I finaly got serious I bought a VS 1680 and a cheap drum machine and dove into it.

The irony in that statement is wonderful....... and really says it all right there about your er, "abilities"!



You dug your own hole here asshole..........

 

[sjoko2]

Just imagine............if he'd spend 10% of his time on reading and learning instead off...........

quite amusing

 

[bthiesson]

SM-57

Here's at least a partial answer to the question...I have a n SM57 that I bought when Shure introduced this line in the late 70s. The end cap is loose and will rotate freely and has been like this for about 25 years with no apparent ill effects. I hope this helps.

 

[TexRoadkill]

I guess we found this weeks asshole.

 

[sjoko2]

good light relief !!

 

[gordone]

(Probably regret posting here!)

I thought school is back in session? Maybe he goes back next week? Let's hope he's signed up for English class!


Seriously - a problem with these boards is that when a question is posted, the regulars don't know what the original poster knows. So they often assume that the poster is just starting out and they offer up more that just the answer to the original question. Don't get offended if a regular tells you something you know. They don't know that you don't know!
Here's how this situation should have panned out -
Newton - Why does my SM57 rattle? Is the screen supposed to be loose?

Blue Bear - It rattles because you shouldn't mount it on clips. Use them as overheads.

Newton - I know it rattles because of the vibration from the drums, d*mn Shure marketing folks hmmm maybe I'll try doing the overhead thing. Thanks!

Now wouldn't that have been a happier outcome for all?

 

[regebro]

Newtons Law:

1. Blue Bears post was not filled with sarcasm. It is you who think with your dick, and react with "Oh, somebody said I did something wrong, quick, react with agression and hostility to show people that I'm the Alpha Male here". Well, this board doesn't work that way, so lay it off. The only effect you get is to look immature.

2. Blue Bear did answer your questions. He posted helpful advice. However, that advice was not what you wanted to hear. If somebody gives you advice that isn't what you wanted to hear, you react by giving a bad reason for not following the advice. That of course just results in people telling you why that was a bad reason.

For example, conversations similar to this:
Blue Bear: Don't use the clips, use mic stands.
You: But the pictures in the book uses the clips.
Blue Bear: It's still a bad idea because you'll get lots af vibrations
You: [Aggressive behaviour]

Don't make up stupid reasons for doing something or not doing something. Either make up good reasons, like "I can't afford mic stands at the moment" or just don't say anything at all. Not everybody is good at rationalizing their wishes and behaviour with logical aguments. I am, you are not. This is not a problem, unless you try to do it, so don't.

You are in no way the only person who does this, so don't feel ashamed. Most people do this. Arguments like this is nothing unusual:

Name Withheld: I need something that can do X, Y and Z, and thought of buying equipment A, B and C
Me: You could get off cheaper buy getting equipment D and a second hand E.
Name Withheld: I don't want a new synthesizer so I don't want a D.
Me: Well, D does more than just being a synthesizer, for example it does X and Y also, which you wanted, the synthesizer is kinofa bonus.
Name Withheld: I said I didn't want a synthesizer, are you dense?
Me: Look, I said it's no a synthesizer. Are YOU dense?
Name Withheld: Shove it up your ass, dickhead.
Me: Go fuck yourself asswipe.

You get the point...
If you don't agree with the advice, either say "Hmm, naaah, I don't think so", or simplye "thanks but no thanks", or even better "thanks, I'll think about it". Don't become agressive, it does not help, Mmmkay?

3. If you lay it off right now, and say "OK; I'm sorry I acted like a shithead", you are still OK. People here are pretty forgiving. There is one level of membership here that is called "Force of Nature". Being called Newtons Law, it would be rather cool to reach that level, right? You're only chance of doing that is to drop your attitude. You are not an alpha male here, and acting like one will only get your butt kicked.

 

[Newtons Law]

Man you assholes are getting desperate aint ya.

Taking cheap shots at me because im a novice and because I have a very limited budget. Still work a day job unlike you big shot studio owners.

And when I said getting serious I meant that I was going to dive into the art of recording and engineering instead of just playing and instrument and writing. You guys a pretty faulkin pathetiv to be downing someone who is trying to fullfill their dreams with what ever means they can afford.


I never came in here questioning anyones abilities as engineers.
And my only gripe is about the fucking attitude and sarcasm I got from you so called bigshot engineers.

Quite frankly it wasnt the original post that got me and Blue at each others throats it was this freakin cross posting issue.

And I still beleive my post was not spam. Just because you guys choose to view all forums and discussions is your problem not mine.


ALSO FOR YOUR INFORMATION MR SMARTY PANTS!!!!!!!!

I just got email back from SHURE technical support.
They say there is a defect in the mic for they should not rattle at all EVEN WHEN MOUNTED TO THE DRUM CLIPS!!!!!!!!!!!


DID YOU GET THAT YOU FUCKING KNOW IT ALLS?

EVEN WHEN THEY ARE MOUNTED TO THE DRUM CLIPS SUPPLIED IN THE KIT THEY SHOULD NOT BE RATTLING.

THEY HAVE REQUESTED iI SEND THIS PACKAGE TO THEM DIRECTLY FOR INSPECTION.

So your theroy on these Mics not being compatible on drum clips is bullshit. Again a faulking know it all that just cant be wrong. sheesh.

and personaly I beleive the Shure Tech more then I beleive your sarcastic ass Blue.


And Roel,
as well as being a complete asshole your also fucking blind.

Bruce did not answer shit.

Lets recap this shall we.......


Newton:
Just bought Sm 57. End cap is loose and rattles when I mount them to toms. (Hence this means I KNOW DAMN WELL WHY THE FUCKING MIV IS RATTLING)
Question:
Are the end caps supposed to move freely? Is it normal for them to be this loose? As a sm 57 owner is your end cap loose to?


Bruce:
The Mic is rattling because its mounted to toms. (Duh)
Throw away your clips and buy boom stands. (Oh ok that sounds smart)
This is the right way to do it cause I say. (And who am I being a novice to question this all mighty engineer that as you all like to say KNOWS HIS SHIT)


Newton:
well I bought this as a Kit. as far as I know there shouldnt be a problem mounting the sm 57's with the clips provided in the kit.


Bruce:
Thats just Marketing nazis. They ripped you off. Sm 57's dont work on clips mounted to drums and thats the way it is cause I say so.


Well my question was:
The end cap on my Sm 57 is loose. Is this the way they are normaly.

and Bruces answer was:
Mic rattles because its mounted directly to tom (DUH!)
Sm 57's dont work on clips that mount to drums (WRONG!)


So yeah I guess he really answered my question alright.
And if I was to take his advice I would forget using these clips and asume SHURE and the miillions they have to put into distributing a package such as the Drum Mic Kit I bought is just flat out ripping me off.


So no Roel your absolutly fucking wrong. Almost as wrong as Bruce about these drum clips.


As Shure techs tell me theres nothing wrong with mounting the sm 57's to toms or any other drum for that matter. They say I should not hear a rattle at all. even thoe the end caps do rotate freely. They confirm that my mics are defective and I should send them in asap for inspection.


So thank god I didnt take the Skeptics advice for which I never asked for it in the first place. I asked for someone to tell me if their SM 57 had a loose end cap as mine did. NOTHING MORE!

I surly didnt ask for his sarcasm. And I surly DID NOT COME HERE TO START FLAMES! As you so boldly state.

Granted flames are what I got. I guess its all my fault thoe right?

Takes 2 to tango asshole's.

 

[regebro]

Originally posted by Newtons Law
I surly didnt ask for his sarcasm.

And you didn't get any either.

And I surly DID NOT COME HERE TO START FLAMES!

But that is exactly what you did. Nobody flamed you or said anything derogatory or hostile against you, but you still got agressive.

Taking cheap shots at me because im a novice and because I have a very limited budget. Still work a day job unlike you big shot studio owners.

Nobody has taken cheap shots against you until you started flaming Blue Bear for no reson. Most people here work a day job, and most of them that doesn't are still in school and most of the rest are unemployed. There are a few professionals here. Blue Bear is one of them, and he is one of the best. You should listen to him. The rest of just happy amateurs, just like you, wanting to share information and experience. Remember, this is homerecording.org

Granted flames are what I got.

No, flames is what you CREATED. They have bounced back at you, which is expected since most here are having asbestos overcoats.

I guess its all my fault thoe right?

Well, yes, in fact it is. This is all fully and completely your own doing. This is nothing unusual in this place. Every once in a while somebody comes in cross-posts, get asked not to and freaks out. You are just the one person doing it this week. Nothing new, nothing exciting, just sad to see yet another person very angrily and under great debacle digging his own hole.

Takes 2 to tango asshole's.

This is not a tango. It's not a conversation. It's not even a flamewar.

 

[Sky Blue Lou]

Wow. I guess you don't plan on being here long, yeah?

I won't presume to lecture you on board etiquette - I'm sure you realize you've pretty much guaranteed you'll never get constructive input after this display. Good luck to you wherever you may land.

lou

 

[Newtons Law]

Well Regebro

Very nice rationalisation of this lil flame war.

Not everybody is good at rationalizing their wishes and behaviour with logical aguments. I am, you are not

Especially this line here. Very rational and mature

It is you who think with your dick, and react with "Oh, somebody said I did something wrong, quick, react with agression and hostility to show people that I'm the Alpha Male here".

I thought the whole Alpha Male Metaphor was pretty funny to.


But Blue was indeed very sarcastic and started getting very snotty imeditaly after I controdicted his advice.

Lets recap AGAIN!

Newton:

I just purchased the Shure Drum Mic kit that comes with 3 SM 57's and one Beta 52.

My problem is the screen houseing on the Sm 57's is very loose. you can turn it freely. All 3 mics are like this so Im asuming this is just the way these mics are.

When I begin to mic the drums I get a nasty rattle that comes from these screen housings being so loose.

Bruce:

The mics should not be clipped to the toms directly....
You use boom stands to allow them to be free-standing, but of course aiming them to where they need to be positioned.......

Newton:

That solution of mounting to stands instead of toms sounds solid friend but I bought this as a drum Mic kit.

It comes with 1 Beta 52, 3 SM 57's and 3 Mounting clips. Granted they say mounting to stands is an option but these clips were really designed to go directly on the rims of the drums.

All throughout the documentation and even the pics on the box they are all cliped directly to the rims of the toms.

I guess what Im trying to find out is if the package I bought is performing the way it should. Clips and all.

Now heres where the sarcasim kicks in as Bruce cant be wrong.

Bruce:

"Hmmm... I get rattle from the vibration of the toms when the mic is contacting it... what could the solution be... obviously, isolation..., but Shure put these clips in there so it MUST work!!!"

Now if thats not sarcasm what is? Hmmm Regebro?


And then again the very next post Blue again with more Sarcasm (cough) advice.

Bruce:

Yeah... dude... those pics weren't taken in a recording session, they were done in a PHOTO STUDIO!!!

Think about it!


Seriously though, all spoofing aside.... '57s are NOT clip-on mics and were not designed that way.....

You could possiby argue that they owe you some money for those lcip-ons (since you can't use 'em and you paid for them...) -- but I'm guessing they're about one-quarter of 1% of the total price!

And our argument escalated from that and our lil tif about cross posting.


So basicly Bruce didnt answer any of my questions.

He seen a Noob asking what he im sure with all his knowledge thought it was a stupid question. So he raced into this thread to correct this noob with his all mighty fact (cough) I mean advice.


And after I speak with someone who REALLY KNOWS THIER SHIT FOR THEY BUILT THE MICS IN QUESTION I find out that Bruces advice is bogus. He was WRONG about the clips and the Mics.


Bruce:

The fact remains that the sm57 is not designed to be a contact mic in high-vibration situations

and this is fact mind you. Bruce speaks fact yet the company that makes the Mic tells me otherwise.

They say there is nothing wrong with mounting SM 57's on the clips that mount directly to the toms. They say if there is a rattle there is someting wrong with the mic.

WHICH IS WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW AND THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO KNOW AND IS WHY I POSTED HERE TO COMPARE WITH OTHER SM 57'S TO DETERMINE IF MINE WERE IN [BOLD] FACT[/BOLD] DEFECTIVE.

I didnt ask for know it all sarcasm and I didnt ask for flames yet Bruce dished them up in double orders.

Will that be for here or to go?............................

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Let's re-examine this ONE line....

Seriously though, all spoofing aside.... '57s are NOT clip-on mics and were not designed that way.....

Didn't catch that???

Let's look closer ---->Seriously though, all spoofing aside....

Any sane and normal person reading this in linear fashion with my other posts would instantly have understood the humourous intent.....

You, asswipe, clearly have communication and social skills so deficient that you completely missed the implication of that single phrase........

However, I imagine the real reason for all this is that you secretly enjoy flame-wars and are trying to incite one....

All you're actually doing is making yourself look like the genuine asshole you appear to be....

 

[Newtons Law]

Regebro you act like you know ever part o this argument in detail and everything you just posted is bullshit.

Let me explain........

Newton:

I surly didnt ask for his sarcasm.


Regebro:

And you didn't get any either.

Bullshit. Bruce dished out plenty of sarcasm. and he dished it out FIRST! For the only thing I said to him before he dished out this so called sarcasm was...


Newton

That solution of mounting to stands instead of toms sounds solid friend but I bought this as a drum Mic kit.

It comes with 1 Beta 52, 3 SM 57's and 3 Mounting clips. Granted they say mounting to stands is an option but these clips were really designed to go directly on the rims of the drums.

All throughout the documentation and even the pics on the box they are all cliped directly to the rims of the toms.

I guess what Im trying to find out is if the package I bought is performing the way it should. Clips and all.

And thats when Bruce started in with his Know it all attitude.



Newton:

And I surly DID NOT COME HERE TO START FLAMES!

Regebro:

But that is exactly what you did. Nobody flamed you or said anything derogatory or hostile against you, but you still got agressive.

Bullshit. Bruce dished out plenty more sarcasm before I started to get pissed.

Bruce:

There's nothing wrong with your fuckin' mics........... there's something wrong with the way you're trying to use them.......

Throw the fuckin' clips out the goddamn door and get yourself some proper boom stands.................!

Ged'dit now?!?!?!?!

All this being said before I replyed with ANY hostility. AND THATS A FUCKING FACT!



Newton:

Taking cheap shots at me because im a novice and because I have a very limited budget. Still work a day job unlike you big shot studio owners.

Regebro:

Nobody has taken cheap shots against you until you started flaming Blue Bear for no reson.

Pure fucking bullshit Regebro. Until I started flaming Bruce for no reason? Are you fucking blind? I didnt say a damn thing negative to Bruce until he started saying shit like " There's nothing wrong with your fuckin' mics........... there's something wrong with the way you're trying to use them....... "


(Which he is absuluty positivly fucking wrong about. There IS something wrong with these mics and there is NOTHING wrong with the way I was usuing them.)


And as for the cheap shots from Bruce and one of the other assholes..............Fuck You.

I think for a 19 year old kid to take $3000 out of his Parting budget to buy some recording equipment is a serious descion.
Granted I dont have high tech facilities but I have all I need to create music. That is very low of you guys to try and poke at me for stateing that


Bottom line Regebro.

Bruce was an ass. And I was an ass. And now your an ass because in your weak attempt to defend ol Brucy you missed many details about this argument.

You try sound like your being rational but Your persistance in posting here proves otherwise.

Also did I mention you are full of shit?



BTW SKY BLUE LOU

Fuck you.

 

[TexRoadkill]

Apart from the vibrations mic clips are generally the worst way to mic drums because the severely limit your placement options.

I'm sorry you are poor but many people here are and everybody tries to give suggestions that will work for different budgets. The Shure techs are most likely jerking you around and will send you 3 new mics and you will have the same problem.

And just for the record you weren't piled on for being poor or inexperienced it was because you were informed of the proper posting etiquette (dont cross-post) but basically told everyone to fuck off.

 

[regebro]

Originally posted by Newtons Law
Very nice rationalisation of this lil flame war.

Thank you.


I thought the whole Alpha Male Metaphor was pretty funny to.

It's not a ametaphor. It's how some people act. You are just one. You feel that somebody stepped on your toes, and you react with agression. We are built like that. I do the same thing sometimes, when I'm not thinking.

But Blue was indeed very sarcastic and started getting very snotty imeditaly after I controdicted his advice.

No he wasn't. It's just in your feverish imagination. You are overreacting because people didn't say what you wanted to hear.

Lets recap AGAIN!

This is not a truthful recap of the events. I'm sure you *feel* that it is truthful, but as an outside observer, I can see that it isn't. You need to calm down, stop being angry, say your sorry and start over.

He seen a Noob asking what he im sure with all his knowledge thought it was a stupid question. So he raced into this thread to correct this noob with his all mighty fact (cough) I mean advice.

Not correct. Yo will see that he doesn't behave like that. Yes, he is a besserwisser. But since he really do know better, he has a right to be.

 

[Newtons Law]

Excuse me Bruce?

You think by saying "All spoofing aside" after you act like an know it all asshole full of sarcasm that it make sit all better?


Was I supposed to say " Oh you were just spoofing. Ok im sorry"


Bottom line Bruce you were an asshole and I dont take kindly to assholes. It really riles me up when you faulking Know it alls start spreading your advice.


Cause quite frankly all your great advice turn out to be bullshit anyway. lol

Is that what you learnd with all them years experience and all that fancy gear you got?

Only to be proving wrong by a Noob?

Now thats sad.


Another thing I find sad is that someone said your one of the best on this BBS. now thats sad.

 

[Sky Blue Lou]

Mr. Newton,

I wished you good luck. I will not quote your response. It is very clear what you are.

Fellow board members,

What is proper etiquette for dealing with trolls? Do we ignore them till they go away? Or is it considered acceptable to pad our post counts while practising insults?

lou