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XXXDiablo

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I have a home recording studio. I write and record all my own junk.

I run all my intruments and rack-gear through my mixer ( Mackie 1202 VLZ)
and then go out out of the mixer Stereo (L/R) to my recorder.

I have a Joe Meek VC6Q and an Alesis Midiverb 4 that I am trying to work
into my configuration.

I only want to include the Joe Meek and the Midiverb 4 on certain
channels at a time.

I believe my best bet is to run the Joe Meek AUX 1 and the Midiverb4 AUX 2.
Am I right so far?

If so... my next question is; does the ENTIRE channel I am sending the
effects to get colored? OR... would I get a "clean" sound AND a colored
sound both in the same channel?

I don't know... I am so stupid when it comes to inserts, Aux sends and
returns etc.

Please help !!!!!!!!!! Thanks in advance.

Diablo
 
An insert will send the entire signal out-thru and back..

An AUX out will send it out and then you will have to patch the output of the effect back in to another channel or return line. So in this way you can have the clean sound unaffected and bring up the volume of the return to mix in just the right amount of the effect. ;)

So use an insert for completely routing thru a compressor or eq etc.
:D

DOM
 
what i do:

all my compressors are connected to the INSERTS of my mixer,
that means that for Each channel i wanna use compression on i need another compressor (thats why i love dual channel compressors...)

reverb, delay and other FX generally are connected to the AUX,
that way you can give every channel a bit of reverb,
some channels won't have verb, others alot, you can choose all that,
set up is real simpel;

AUX send to reverb input,
reverb output goes to AUX return

voila


i don't connect a compressor to my aux's, but if you only got One of them,
tja, you don't have a choice do you :o


question for you: Does your joemeek vc60 have a TRESHOLD button for the compressor?

i got a vc8 which only has presets and ratio for the compressor,
i'd love to get me a VC60 since i'm found if the joemeek sound !
but a treshlod-rotary....mhhh...thats something i'd like to have
 
Thanx for the replies. Not sure I am clear on what to do yet though.

Per your question, no... the VC6 does not have a threshold button
on it.

Interestingly though, it does have 2 outputs. They are not a left
and right configuration, but I wonder if they could be used that
way on a return scenerio... hmmmmm?

Anyway... it is difficult to explain my setup without a long ass post
that would bore any reader, but basically.... I am a one man band.

I have a one room studio with all of my equipment in the room.

I am trying to set up my studio so that I can "write" or "jam" while
(example) playing guitar at the same time my drum machine or
keyboard is running it's sequence. Then... when I am ready to
record something, I can simply turn on the recorder and record
one part at a time.

I guess it's sort of a live setup with the main outs going into my
recorder.

I want a permanant setup without having to unplug stuff everytime I
want to switch bettween jamming and recording.

The midiverb 4 is easy. Aux send and return.

The compressor is my problem. Not sure how to incorperate that
into the fold correctly for my particular use.

The Mackie 1202 VLZ only has 4 inserts. I am not sure how inserts
work exactly. Are inserts designated to particular channels?

Man... my brian hurts.
 
Diablo- Inserts do exactly what their name implies (they Insert something into the signal path of the particular channel). So the insert on channel 1 is for channel 1 etc.....
What exactly are you wanting to compress? If you just want to limit your guitar signal a bit to avoid clipping (insert it into the channel you have your guitar mic ran through).
I don't like to compress while tracking but there are no real rules.

A patchbay would be the only way to really stop you from having to do alot of unplugging and plugging but since you currently only have 1 compressor, I think thats a bit of overkill in my opinion.
 
mhhh;, i wouldn't bother about patchbays yet, seems like all this stuff is pretty new to you,

in simpel, an insert can be found on every channel of your mixing board
(well,,,,,,if you got inserts....or you have them on each channel or you don't have any)
they are simpel to recognice, on each channel you got an XLR input, probably a normal 1/4" (guitar) jack input,,,,AND then a THIRD input,
thats the INSERT,
well, in insert is an INPUT and an output at the same time, pretty cool, heh,
on my mixing desc they are labelled DIRECT OUTPUTS,
if you connect a microphone to channel 1,
then you can just plug a guitar cable into the INSERT of channel 1,
and connect the other end of the cable directly into your soundcard

and if you got a Y-cable, that is a cable with a Stereo headphone jack (TRS) on one end, and TWO mono guitar jacks on the other end,
then you can attach a compressor (or something else) to that channel,

so imagine that you got a Y cable (or INSERT CABLE),
plug one end in the insert, the other two ends will go to the INPUT of your compressor, and the output of the compressor

cheap insert cables aren't labelled, then you have to guess which of the two mono jacks is send and return, mogami cables (at least the ones i got) have it written on it, real easy


so if you understand this, then you see that you can only attach ONE compressor on a channel Insert,
you sing in the mic, that signal is send to your Joemeek (use the Eq of your joemeek, i prefer that sound above mackie Eq,,,,but its a personal taste),
then the sound goes BAck to your mixer from the output of the joemeek,
back into the insert of yer channel 1

then you record all this by recording the Master outputs of your mixer,
an alternative for recording is;:
you connect a mono guitar cable to the Insert, and to the INPUT of your joemeek, and then....... you plug another mono cable in the OUTPUT of the joemeek and this one goes to your soundcard,
then you don't record via the master outputs of your mixer,
but you can adjust EQ on the mixer, AND on the joemeek too,

but i don't think anyone does it that way..hehe,


so thats kinda how you connect something using an insert,
and when this works, then just connect the Reverb to the auxiliaries,
and then you can have Compression + reverb on one channel,
you can put the reverb on every channel, but compression on only One at a time....


a last thing...the joemeek has two outputs,,, i think you can connect one to your soundcard, and one to a headphone amp, or you can connect one to your soundcard directly, and the other output goes trough another FX, then you can record two tracks of your guitar (or whatever) and have different fx and sounds on each channel,
i don't ever do that, i just do it in mono, one input, one output,
and i can always duplicate the tracks in cubase

i hope its not too complicated, any questions? fire away,
and if you wanna make a real long post, please do , I LOVE READING !!!!

cheers !!
 
You don't want to run the VC6Q as an aux or an insert. It is a preamp with comp and eq so the source needs to go to the preamp (VC6Q) first, then the output of the pre goes straight into the input of your board, bypassing it's preamp.
 
Thank you guys for all of your "input" (pardon the pun).
I think I have a very good grasp on the whole insert thing now.
I believe Christiaan is correct. The VC6Q does have a line out
and it is suggested in the manual that it can be run through
an insert just fine. That is the way I have wired it now and it
sounds great. By the way... do any of you own the VC6Q?
If so... I would appreciate any tips on settings.
I will be using it on different instruments at diff. times.
Vocals, guitar, bass and maybe some drums and cymbals.

As for the midiverb 4.... I have that running through the
AUX 1. Works, but seems to add noise as well as the effect. weird.

Anyway... I think this is the coolest disscussion board. What a blast!

Thanks guys! :D
 
weeelllllll,; alesis is not my favorite brand,
but i think you might have turned your AUX SEND button all the way open,
didn't you?

i don't think you need to turn the AUX send and return buttons to 100%,
just start with them at the center, should give enough verb, no?
this way you will have alot less noise, and a little less reverb

well....mess with it, tweak your buttons like crazy until you find settings that really make you happy..

and settings for the VC6 , nah,
you gotto find that out yourself since every single room and every instrument in the world sounds different, in the beginning you'll probably wanna use extreme settings since you wanna HEAR your equipment work,
and once you get used to your joemeek, you'll probably be a little more careful

i love my VC8, its fun to mess with extreme settings sometimes,
and does a nice job for clean recordings too,
i'm real curious about the vc6 ....seems like its a bit cheaper than my machine and its got more options ! (no distortion but hell, already got enough shit that makes noise...) .. i'd love to have a little more control on the compressor...

how much did you pay for yours? if i may ask of course,
was it new or second hand?

cheerz
 
By the way... do any of you own the VC6Q?
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I have one and so far I have only recorded my Telecaster into a SansAmp pedal into the VC6Q and I am very impressed...best DI electric I hve heard so far but I plan on reamping to give it that presence you only get from a speaker.

Here is a link to a review of the unit with sugested settings and uses.

http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/files/2000readerschoiceguidemicpreamp

I copied just the text and printed it for a reference sheet to get to know the unit.

You can also donwload the manual on line (I picked mine up used with a manual).
 
well, in insert is an INPUT and an output at the same time, pretty cool, heh,
on my mixing desc they are labelled DIRECT OUTPUTS,
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Just for the record, Direct outs are not the same thing as "inserts". An insert can be used as a direct out by only partially inserting a cable but as far as I know, a direct out can not be used as an insert.
 
welllll, i explained it a bit confusing i think,
what is labelled on my mixer is:

direct in/out

instead of simply "insert"

so it are no regular direct outs, you got me there !!

and a combination of Sansamp + joemeek, thats BIG FUN ,
i also got this at home ! (sansamp psa1 + joemeek vc8)
 
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