is there a BIG difference between a sbLive and recording card?

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(CHRISTOPHERM)


MaxB would probably tell you his Fiat Punto is every bit as fast and fun to drive as a Mustang GT convertible. Seriously, I don't know what planet he's on.

Please talk with me... The planet He's on it's the same fucking planet you are on.
About Fiat Punto... take a look at the end of the message.

Do you think your Delta is a Mustang GT convertible?? :D :D
You are wrong mate! It's a soundblaster with 4 or 10 inputs without the EMU10k chip.

Like I said, soundcard makes a difference.
I have always used the same mics and there is a HUGE, that's right HUGE difference in sound quality now that I've changed cards and gotten a decent preamp!


What a pro!!! You have switched from a bad soundcard/preamp to a decent soundcard/preamp...
Listen, the problem, mainly, was the preamp, not the soundcard. Yes, if you was using your MOBO soundcard I agree with you... Delta is better! But if you think SBLive it's just like your MOBO soundcard then you are wrong again! Just for curiosity: you are monitoring through a pair of self powered Trust speakers connected to the Line Out of your Delta, right?

Originally posted by MaxB: Why you want to record 4 tracks at once??
Uh...to get a decent take on an acoustic guitar? Hmm... Mic a drumset?


Ah ah ah :) So you think this is the right way to do?? You put the mics directly into your soundcard?? Imagine your soundcard as a recorder... Do you want to put the microphones straight into the recorder?? Yes, but only for karaoke purposes. No Chris. You need to put your mics in the mixer, and the mixer to the soundcard. In the mixer you can tweak all that knobs, you know, to have a "decent take on an acoustic guitar". What? Do you want to record the hihat, toms, vocals, backing vocals, ocarina, berimbau, etc, everyone on a different track?? Well use a multitrack-tape recorder, not your cheap Delta soundcard.

(GORDONE)

Read up.

About Fiat Punto. :)

It is a neat looking little car, something my wife would like to drive. I don't think you could get them in the US though?

Gordone: call General Motors and asks. They are in someway related with FIAT. But the import taxes may costs as much as the price of the car. Anyway any european car it's too small for yours american Starsky and Hutch roads.

BRZILIAN

Fiat was making some decent quality cars in the 90's (Tempra, Tipo and Punto). Not sure how things are going lately. They actually sell the Punto in Brazil, but it is called the Palio


The Palio and the Punto are differen cars. Not the same.
Take a look at fiat Bravo and the new Fiat Stilo.

Fiat has not been in the US for quite some time, but I did hear rumors Alfa Romeo was planning a comeback. I'd love to get me a 156!

Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Autobianchi, Ferrari, Maserati... These autos are all FIAT.

If you all are interested, FIAT sells also Tanks, Planes, Bombs, Mines, Boats, Yacths, Steel, Paper, Pens, Asphalt, Chimic Elements and Space Activity-related things. Sorry, no soundcards. :(

Brzilian... If you want a 156... You can buy one 2nd hand for about 2.500 euro.

ChristopherM AGAIN
I would have said something else (Yugo, maybe), but since our misguided little friend is apparently in Italy


(WTF is Yugo??)
My dear you don't know anything about my knowledge in music...
I know it's "strange" to hear that your delta it's just like a soundblaster.
But this is the thruth. I know you have spent the last 6 months collecting half-dollars coins to buy your Delta... But keep in mind that it's not a pro card and you are not a "pro" with your mics connected into the 4 inputs of your Delta!

so I wanted to pick a slow Italian car. Not that there's anything wrong with a Punto quality-wise for its uses...but it just re-emphasizes my point. A Punto is fine for point-a-to-point-b just as a Soundblaster is fine for games.

180 km/h... It's a slow car?? It's not a Ferrari for the speed and it's not a Cadillac for elegance, but it's not a slow car.
One of the features of the punto was the speed. The testimonial for the Punto 16v (240 km/h, It's a slow car?) was Michael Schumacher (FIAT employee :)) and this caused a lot of problems some years ago because the youngsters start to splat their faces on the walls trying to emulate Schumi with their FIAT Punto. It's not a slow car. Again, just like for the Delta, you picked the wrong one for your example.

A Punto is fine for point-a-to-point-b just as a Soundblaster is fine for games. If you want your computer to be a great DAW, though, you need a little more "horsepower.

Please, Christopher... What you are saying are only "castronerie". :)

FINAL STATEMENT: if you own a Delta card and you are happy clap you hands and take your Delta with you, just keep on working with it. If you own a SBLive! and you are happy with it clap your hands, and just keep on working with it. But please don't try any comparison, and don't break the balls at this poor italian boy. ;)


MaxB


Oh, yes: if you own a Fiat Punto and you are happy... don't clap your hands while you're driving!! It's a very very fast little italian car... and Schumacher... 16v... 240km/h... splat!!
 
MaxB said:
The only advantage are the extra ins/outs, but if you have a decent external mixer you don't need these extra ins/outs.

Understood?? No one can ear the diference between a SBLive! and your Delta...

MaxB
Back up the train Maxwell!
How is a mixer going to replace the ability to simultaneously capture more than two channels of input to separate .wav files on disc?

Not me, I suppose- if you gate and compress the life out of your input signal in each case I suppose you would not find much difference in the two recordings.
 
brzilian said:
Its useless to argue with MaxB.:rolleyes:

He turning out to be just like that Casio freak over in the Keyboard forum a while back.

Skyy38 swore Casio's were the greatest thing on earth and anyone who actually spent money on something like a Motif or Triton was an idiot.

Go figure...

When you hear something strange that you can't understand the best thing you can do is to do some tests and not talking like a fool. I'm not a newbie and I know what I'm saying. Music it's my job from 12 years and I really know what I'm saying. If you want to be a pro you need a 10,000 $ 24 track recorder. Otherwise you can buy a cheap soundcard (Delta, MOTU, SBLive).

Casio aren't the greatest instruments in the world... But Triton and Motif are not great synthesizers! It's a matter of fashion... Just like the Yamaha DX7. Yes, if you are into "Plick Pluck Hippo Poppa" music a Triton it's what you need... Yes. If you need a real instruments you need something like a Korg T1.

But... if Skyy38 was talking about Casio CZ serie then he's right! It's one of the greatest synths ever built. And sure, it's better than a Motif or Triton.
 
Fusion2 said:
save yourself the headache, SB plays back pretty decent but rec is very rough

KXDrivers + a little trick that you can find posted somewhere in this BBS. Clean sound and -130dB of noise level.
 
drstawl said:
Back up the train Maxwell!
How is a mixer going to replace the ability to simultaneously capture more than two channels of input to separate .wav files on disc?

Not me, I suppose- if you gate and compress the life out of your input signal in each case I suppose you would not find much difference in the two recordings.

Read the full thread for your answers...
 
Beltrom said:
Could everybody arguing please read the quote above. That pretty much sums it up and I think it explains the confusion. The Audigy(s) and even the live actually plays back pretty well, and the soundfonts IS a nice feature (even if the Audigy has some bugs). The problems is with the A/D-part. Of course someone who works 99% in midi but records some vocals now and then will think it's a great card, it might even be in that case, because the quality REALLY shows itself when recording multiple tracks- weaknesses has a tendency to ackumulate. MaxB hasn't even talked about recording as far as I've seen.

In the car scenario: one side is stating that you'll always need 4wd and offroad capacity - the other side has only seen closed racing tracks - and thinks their gocart will do just fine.

i rec the SB playback through a mixer, and direct to other system with delta 410's, the results are pretty good, given all the fx one has to morph/resample a sample into usable audio data...

humm, what's car's got to do with sound cards??? oh, OT... excuse please...
 
MaxB said:
(CHRISTOPHERM)FINAL STATEMENT: if you own a Delta card and you are happy clap you hands and take your Delta with you, just keep on working with it. If you own a SBLive! and you are happy with it clap your hands, and just keep on working with it. But please don't try any comparison, and don't break the balls at this poor italian boy. ;)

Oh, yes: if you own a Fiat Punto and you are happy... don't clap your hands while you're driving!! It's a very very fast little italian car... and Schumacher... 16v... 240km/h... splat!!

Max, if you'd kindly re-read the first post I put on this thread, you'd see I actually have an Aardvark, not a Delta, although a Delta is a good suggestion for the original poster.

Yes, the Punto IS slow compared to my car. (We're talking about your little street car, not the racecar).

Yes, the Audigy DOES suck for recording compared to the Aardvark (or the Delta, for that matter).

Grow up, little boy. Go play with your Casio.
 
MaxB said:
(CHRISTOPHERM)Ah ah ah So you think this is the right way to do?? You put the mics directly into your soundcard?? Imagine your soundcard as a recorder... Do you want to put the microphones straight into the recorder?? Yes, but only for karaoke purposes. No Chris. You need to put your mics in the mixer, and the mixer to the soundcard. In the mixer you can tweak all that knobs, you know, to have a "decent take on an acoustic guitar". What? Do you want to record the hihat, toms, vocals, backing vocals, ocarina, berimbau, etc, everyone on a different track?? Well use a multitrack-tape recorder, not your cheap Delta soundcard.

A mixer isn't going to create separate tracks for each mic. You still need a multi-input soundcard.

Check what I suggested to our original poster, spaghetti-boy. I suggested a nice, cheap, quality Yamaha mixer with four decent preamps built in and a multi-input M-Audio card.

Car-wise: You remind me of those little boys in California who strap a 50lbs. wing and a coffee-can exhaust to their mom's old Civic and go around bragging about their car.
 
MaxB said:
Read the full thread for your answers...
Damn! I feel so left out. No long rant on how you've discovered a multi-dimensional timewarp that allows you to interpolate the samples in a stereo signal into 8 channels of digital audio to dispense with all that pesky extra front end required for multitracking?
;)
 
"Do you want to put the microphones straight into the recorder?? Yes, but only for karaoke purposes. No Chris. You need to put your mics in the mixer, and the mixer to the soundcard."

What about software mixers?
 
ChristopherM said:
Yes, the Audigy DOES suck for recording compared to the Aardvark (or the Delta, for that matter).
Grow up, little boy. Go play with your Casio.

My friend, I'm afraid you take offence at my words. :( But this make me happy.

I don't own a Casio.
 
A mixer isn't going to create separate tracks for each mic. You still need a multi-input soundcard.
Check what I suggested to our original poster, spaghetti-boy.


Ok, the evidence shows that my english sucks.

Car-wise: You remind me of those little boys in California who strap a 50lbs. wing and a coffee-can exhaust to their mom's old Civic and go around bragging about their car.

Go to catch some aliens in the desert cow-boy...
 
drstawl said:
Damn! I feel so left out. No long rant on how you've discovered a multi-dimensional timewarp that allows you to interpolate the samples in a stereo signal into 8 channels of digital audio to dispense with all that pesky extra front end required for multitracking?
;)

Read above... My english sucks. I don't understand the question...
Only "Time Warp".
 
photoresistor said:
"Do you want to put the microphones straight into the recorder?? Yes, but only for karaoke purposes. No Chris. You need to put your mics in the mixer, and the mixer to the soundcard."

What about software mixers?

Please... I think we are into the "mouse era". Everyone got the mouse fever... I don't know why you all like so much to go crazy trying to tweak these invisible knobs on your screen, with your mouse, if you can do the same thing with a real mixer in a morehuman way... Boh :(
 
Maledizione! Ritengo così di sinistra fuori. Nessun rant lungo su come avete scoperto un timewarp multidimensionale che permette che interpoliate i campioni in un segnale stereo in 8 scanalature di audio digitale erogare con il tutto che l'estremità anteriore supplementare richieda per multitracking?
 
MaxB said:
My friend, I'm afraid you take offence at my words. :( But this make me happy.

Offense? No...
I'm actually laughing my ass off right now.

Gonna go catch me some aliens now...
Yeeeeeeehaw!

Ciao!
 
hmmm... we need some more input from other experienced users.

especially people that made the jump from a consumer card, to a semi-pro recording card.

oh well, delta 410 is only 110 bucks. that's cheap enough for me.
 
drstawl said:
Maledizione! Ritengo così di sinistra fuori. Nessun rant lungo su come avete scoperto un timewarp multidimensionale che permette che interpoliate i campioni in un segnale stereo in 8 scanalature di audio digitale erogare con il tutto che l'estremità anteriore supplementare richieda per multitracking?

Deh eh ih oh uh! :D :D :D

I have not understood nothing! It was better before. Task that we two will not be never understood!

(Google italian/english translator seems to work better than english/italian :) )

Hello to the next one! :)

MaxB
 
ChristopherM said:
Offense? No...
I'm actually laughing my ass off right now.
Gonna go catch me some aliens now...
Yeeeeeeehaw!
Ciao!

:) :) :) Be happy Chris!
Best Wishes, MaxB ;)

P.S.: Ehm... About aliens... Seriously... I was an UFO-Paranoid some years ago... Do you have any usefull first hand info about the Roswell Crash?
 
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