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MaxB
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brzilian said:
5.33 for VSTi fun and 10.66 for mixing is enough for me...
5.33 for VSTi fun and 10.66 for mixing is enough for me...
ChristopherM
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Soundcard makes a difference too.
I have always used SM57s and SM58s.
Go here
Scroll down to this:
M-Audio Delta 410 4-input 10-output Audio card with S/PDIF - RETAIL
And then check this.
That would solve your soundcard AND preamp dillema AND give you a ten channel mixer to boot!
All for just over two Benjamins
I have always used SM57s and SM58s.
Go here
Scroll down to this:
M-Audio Delta 410 4-input 10-output Audio card with S/PDIF - RETAIL
And then check this.
That would solve your soundcard AND preamp dillema AND give you a ten channel mixer to boot!
All for just over two Benjamins
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gordone
Well-known member
This is about the dumbest thing I've heard all day (perhaps all month). I guess I should toss my Delta 44 in the trash since the built-in audio on my Dell's motherboard does the same job.
Think of a photography analogy - The thing you are photographing is the sound source. The lighting can be the microphone/pre-amp/room combo. The lens of the camera is the A/D converter (AKA "Sound Card"), and then the film is the hard drive (I know little to nothing about photography so this is just a stab in the dark). If you have a really clear lens then you'll be able to do a good job capturing the high-resolution of the actual image source provided the lighting is good. If you have a crappy lens, you lose some resolution and won't capture as many nuances (sp?) as with the good lens.
Now I think the fact that you're recording orchestral samples instead of live sources might be the reason why you are saying the sound card doesn't matter. Going back to my photography example, instead of taking pictures of life shots (with in theory unlimited resolution), you are photographing an animation cell. This has a limited resolution (compared to a real-life 'image'), so you don't need as good quality lens/capture system. If you're only recording samples/keyboard sounds, the extra "resolution" (or detail) provided by a Pro soundcard might be wasted. Hope this makes sense!
Think of a photography analogy - The thing you are photographing is the sound source. The lighting can be the microphone/pre-amp/room combo. The lens of the camera is the A/D converter (AKA "Sound Card"), and then the film is the hard drive (I know little to nothing about photography so this is just a stab in the dark). If you have a really clear lens then you'll be able to do a good job capturing the high-resolution of the actual image source provided the lighting is good. If you have a crappy lens, you lose some resolution and won't capture as many nuances (sp?) as with the good lens.
Now I think the fact that you're recording orchestral samples instead of live sources might be the reason why you are saying the sound card doesn't matter. Going back to my photography example, instead of taking pictures of life shots (with in theory unlimited resolution), you are photographing an animation cell. This has a limited resolution (compared to a real-life 'image'), so you don't need as good quality lens/capture system. If you're only recording samples/keyboard sounds, the extra "resolution" (or detail) provided by a Pro soundcard might be wasted. Hope this makes sense!
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MaxB
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gordone said:
Thank you for the free lesson.
So, now I know how to take beautiful birds pictures
My friend... What I'm trying to say is that if you buy a SBlaster or a Delta or whatever you want, it's just the same. The only thing you need to have "pro" recordings it's "pro" equipment. In a home studio you don't need a Delta... The only advantage are the extra ins/outs, but if you have a decent external mixer you don't need these extra ins/outs.
Understood?? No one can ear the diference between a SBLive! and your Delta...
MaxB
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gordone
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If the rest of your equipment is up to snuff, you will notice a difference between a Delta and a gaming level card. Now I've never head a SB, but I did have a Monster MX300 in my old PC and I could tell a difference. I have a fairly quiet room, and use some decent mics (Audio-Technica, Neumann, Soundelux) into a Great River MP2 preamp. My sources are a nice collection of ACOUSTIC instruments (a 1956 Martin 00-18, some Taylors, another Martin Dread, a Deering banjo).
If you're just plugging the lineout of your synth into the line in of your soundcard, the differences might not be as noticable.
Also, the # of inputs DOES matter, even if you do have a mixing board. Tell me how can you record 4 sources at once on your SB and have them show up as seperate tracks on your PC?
PS - there is nothing wrong with starting out on a SB (or a similar consumer-level card). They will get the job done and will help get the newbie get started on the road to aural nirvana, BUT it is simply wrong to say that there is no difference between consumer and semi-pro (i.e. SB vs. M-Audio)
If you're just plugging the lineout of your synth into the line in of your soundcard, the differences might not be as noticable.
Also, the # of inputs DOES matter, even if you do have a mixing board. Tell me how can you record 4 sources at once on your SB and have them show up as seperate tracks on your PC?
PS - there is nothing wrong with starting out on a SB (or a similar consumer-level card). They will get the job done and will help get the newbie get started on the road to aural nirvana, BUT it is simply wrong to say that there is no difference between consumer and semi-pro (i.e. SB vs. M-Audio)
MaxB said:Thank you for the free lesson.
So, now I know how to take beautiful birds pictures
My friend... What I'm trying to say is that if you buy a SBlaster or a Delta or whatever you want, it's just the same. The only thing you need to have "pro" recordings it's "pro" equipment. In a home studio you don't need a Delta... The only advantage are the extra ins/outs, but if you have a decent external mixer you don't need these extra ins/outs.
Understood?? No one can ear the diference between a SBLive! and your Delta...
MaxB
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brzilian
New member
Its useless to argue with MaxB.
He turning out to be just like that Casio freak over in the Keyboard forum a while back.
Skyy38 swore Casio's were the greatest thing on earth and anyone who actually spent money on something like a Motif or Triton was an idiot.
Go figure...
He turning out to be just like that Casio freak over in the Keyboard forum a while back.
Skyy38 swore Casio's were the greatest thing on earth and anyone who actually spent money on something like a Motif or Triton was an idiot.
Go figure...
wheelema
Boner-obo
I should probably kick myself for getting into this thread... just a moment...
Ow!
Okay, I kind of agree with the point that no one can hear the difference. Well, actually, lets say that MOST people can't hear the difference. In the same way that DeBeers convinces women (who in turn convince their men) that 'Diamonds Are Forever' and she needs one, no, bigger than that!, now!!, so gear manufacturers would like to turn us all into gear pimps... I just GOT to have that pre, and I can't live without that mic!. Oh, and don't forget the rest of the stuff you need! Mogami cable... hmmm... maybe not good enough.... better upgrade! And that DAW! Tsk!!
Reading the straight-from-the-manufacturer blurbs that, for example, you find on ZZounds or 8thStreet and they all start to blur... for example...
The xx-series microphone preamplifiers will change the way you think of audio quality. The transparency is astounding. Vocals sound smoother, warmer, more intimate, with a compelling presence. Any microphone and any sound will benefit from the improved clarity, definition, and lack of solid-state artifacts.
The xx-n recreates the sound of classic tube preamps of the 1960s. Modern components and computer-optimized circuitry, unavailable during the vacuum tube era, elevate this design to a new level of performance.
or how about...
The x-n mic preamps are among the finest mic preamps in the world. They provide the accuracy and transparency that is missing in other mic preamps. No matter what your application, they will provide superior sound quality. The world's best input transformer (something goes hear), best op-amp (and something else goes here) and the elimination of all capacitors from the signal path combine to provide the highest performance.
Now, in this case I believe these statements to be largely true, but after you've been bombarded with marketing bull long enough you don't even believe the truth.
How much do you have to spend to get marketable sound, and when are you just draining away your retirement fund?
Ow!
Okay, I kind of agree with the point that no one can hear the difference. Well, actually, lets say that MOST people can't hear the difference. In the same way that DeBeers convinces women (who in turn convince their men) that 'Diamonds Are Forever' and she needs one, no, bigger than that!, now!!, so gear manufacturers would like to turn us all into gear pimps... I just GOT to have that pre, and I can't live without that mic!. Oh, and don't forget the rest of the stuff you need! Mogami cable... hmmm... maybe not good enough.... better upgrade! And that DAW! Tsk!!
Reading the straight-from-the-manufacturer blurbs that, for example, you find on ZZounds or 8thStreet and they all start to blur... for example...
The xx-series microphone preamplifiers will change the way you think of audio quality. The transparency is astounding. Vocals sound smoother, warmer, more intimate, with a compelling presence. Any microphone and any sound will benefit from the improved clarity, definition, and lack of solid-state artifacts.
The xx-n recreates the sound of classic tube preamps of the 1960s. Modern components and computer-optimized circuitry, unavailable during the vacuum tube era, elevate this design to a new level of performance.
or how about...
The x-n mic preamps are among the finest mic preamps in the world. They provide the accuracy and transparency that is missing in other mic preamps. No matter what your application, they will provide superior sound quality. The world's best input transformer (something goes hear), best op-amp (and something else goes here) and the elimination of all capacitors from the signal path combine to provide the highest performance.
Now, in this case I believe these statements to be largely true, but after you've been bombarded with marketing bull long enough you don't even believe the truth.
How much do you have to spend to get marketable sound, and when are you just draining away your retirement fund?
cominginsecond
Decentralized Media Mogul
This sounds like a thread straight off of the Harmony Central board.
Get smarter, people!
Get smarter, people!
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Jotosuds
New member
lol.
i believe ChristopherM. if he says DAMN from an audigy to aardvark, my improvement would probably be alot better.
i already have the sm58, MXL 1006, and AudioBuddy. i just don't have a sound card
and when i try hooking all that stuff to my line in on my onboard soundcard, it actually sounds WORSE than the radioshack mic with "mic in".
wow....
so i'm thinking a new soundcard is in order
i believe ChristopherM. if he says DAMN from an audigy to aardvark, my improvement would probably be alot better.
i already have the sm58, MXL 1006, and AudioBuddy. i just don't have a sound card
and when i try hooking all that stuff to my line in on my onboard soundcard, it actually sounds WORSE than the radioshack mic with "mic in".
wow....
so i'm thinking a new soundcard is in order
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Fusion2
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save yourself the headache, SB plays back pretty decent but rec is very rough, i use the Live version, for midi and sound font playback, otherwise, eh, wothless in audio work...
m-audio is miles above SB imho...
i don't feel screwing with the kx drives worth the time but if your stuck with the card try them, i haven't, so, be warned, i've read of issues...
do a google for kx issues...
m-audio is miles above SB imho...
i don't feel screwing with the kx drives worth the time but if your stuck with the card try them, i haven't, so, be warned, i've read of issues...
do a google for kx issues...
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MaxB
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gordone said:
Why you want to record 4 tracks at once??
If you are trying to record the Doors this make sense...
If you are into cheap demo recording this make sense.
But I can't imagine others alternatives...
What makes SBLive/Audigy cards great it's a little thing called EMU10k. SBLive technology was developed by EMU...
MaxB
ChristopherM
New member
MaxB would probably tell you his Fiat Punto is every bit as fast and fun to drive as a Mustang GT convertible.
Seriously, I don't know what planet he's on.
Like I said, soundcard makes a difference.
I have always used the same mics and there is a HUGE, that's right HUGE difference in sound quality now that I've changed cards and gotten a decent preamp!
Once again, my vote for a newbie with around $200 to spend:
Go here
Scroll down to this:
M-Audio Delta 410 4-input 10-output Audio card with S/PDIF - RETAIL
And then check this.
That would solve your soundcard AND preamp dillema AND give you a ten channel mixer to boot!
All for just over two Benjamins
Seriously, I don't know what planet he's on.
Like I said, soundcard makes a difference.
I have always used the same mics and there is a HUGE, that's right HUGE difference in sound quality now that I've changed cards and gotten a decent preamp!
Once again, my vote for a newbie with around $200 to spend:
Go here
Scroll down to this:
M-Audio Delta 410 4-input 10-output Audio card with S/PDIF - RETAIL
And then check this.
That would solve your soundcard AND preamp dillema AND give you a ten channel mixer to boot!
All for just over two Benjamins
ChristopherM
New member
Wow...wish I caught this while I was typing!
Mic a drumset?
Geez...
Uh...to get a decent take on an acoustic guitar? Hmm...MaxB said:
Mic a drumset?
Geez...
wheelema
Boner-obo
Hey, I LIKE that Fiat Punto!
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gordone
Well-known member
Hmmmmm, let's see:
-I want to record drums using 4 mics (bass, snare, 2 overheads)
-stereo acoustic guitar and a vocal track (3 tracks)
-stereo acoustic guitar in x/y plus a room mic.
yadayada...
MaxB said:Why you want to record 4 tracks at once??
If you are trying to record the Doors this make sense...
If you are into cheap demo recording this make sense.
But I can't imagine others alternatives...
What makes SBLive/Audigy cards great it's a little thing called EMU10k. SBLive technology was developed by EMU...
MaxB
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gordone
Well-known member
It is a neat looking little car, something my wife would like to drive. I don't think you could get them in the US though?
wheelema said:
ChristopherM
New member
(What a tangent)gordone said:
I've rented one in the UK...You wouldn't want to drive it in the US...too many Suburbans and Humvees on the road to squash you!
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brzilian
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gordone said:
Fiat was making some decent quality cars in the 90's (Tempra, Tipo and Punto). Not sure how things are going lately. They actually sell the Punto in Brazil, but it is called the Palio
Fiat has not been in the US for quite some time, but I did hear rumors Alfa Romeo was planning a comeback. I'd love to get me a 156!
ChristopherM
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I didn't mean to start an automotive thread.
I would have said something else (Yugo, maybe), but since our misguided little friend is apparently in Italy, so I wanted to pick a slow Italian car. Not that there's anything wrong with a Punto quality-wise for its uses...but it just re-emphasizes my point. A Punto is fine for point-a-to-point-b just as a Soundblaster is fine for games. If you want your computer to be a great DAW, though, you need a little more "horsepower."
I would have said something else (Yugo, maybe), but since our misguided little friend is apparently in Italy, so I wanted to pick a slow Italian car. Not that there's anything wrong with a Punto quality-wise for its uses...but it just re-emphasizes my point. A Punto is fine for point-a-to-point-b just as a Soundblaster is fine for games. If you want your computer to be a great DAW, though, you need a little more "horsepower."
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Beltrom
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Fusion2 said:
Could everybody arguing please read the quote above. That pretty much sums it up and I think it explains the confusion. The Audigy(s) and even the live actually plays back pretty well, and the soundfonts IS a nice feature (even if the Audigy has some bugs). The problems is with the A/D-part. Of course someone who works 99% in midi but records some vocals now and then will think it's a great card, it might even be in that case, because the quality REALLY shows itself when recording multiple tracks- weaknesses has a tendency to ackumulate. MaxB hasn't even talked about recording as far as I've seen.
In the car scenario: one side is stating that you'll always need 4wd and offroad capacity - the other side has only seen closed racing tracks - and thinks their gocart will do just fine.