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Beltrom
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Yes, but we're cute monkeys!
I think this has turned into a camouflaged postpadding thread.
I think this has turned into a camouflaged postpadding thread.
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webstop
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MaxB said:
I moved from SB to 2496 to 1010, and I could hear the difference every time. I feel so special now! Nobody can hear the difference, but I can!
And I don't need any tests to convince me because I absolutely trust my own hearing.
And two short advises to MaxB.
1. Don't think that all who dissagree with you are deaf idiots.
2. Don't think that YOUR way of using a home studio is the ONLY way.
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canada-paul
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drstawl said:
The 2nd sample (I presume the GINA) towards the end of the mp3 seems to have a wider stereo field, and maybe a little more space, or reverb.
But your sample has nothing to do with 1/8" vs 1/4" or XLR plugs does it?
drstawl
Banned
It's more than just panning and no reverb (other than that built into the synth patches) was used.canada-paul said:
No- the plugs have nothing to do with it. The converters on the GINA are simply better.
Both were recorded at 16/44.1.
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Polaris20
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webstop said:
He's probably the most ignorant person on here that I've seen in awhile.
He apparently can't see that the Live doesn't have balanced inputs, doesn't do 24/96, and has a crappy s/n ratio compared to Mia's, Audiophiles, and above. Audigy 2 vs. the rest would be an arguement that would make slightly more sense. But a Live?
For the money, I guess it's fine. But saying nothing more is necessary is blindingly stupid.
I may have argued with other people in the past (Brzlian for one), but at least they were intelligent and made some friggin' sense.
ChristopherM
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Jotosuds:
What'd you end up deciding?
What'd you end up deciding?
James Argo
Fancy Rock N' Roll
MaxB, do you run SBLive! on Win2K or WinXP?
Have you checked this driver out...
http://www.emu.com/support/aps.asp
It's designed for APS, but will work for any EMU10K based card (including SBLive!). Tell the story if you have...
Jaymz
Have you checked this driver out...
http://www.emu.com/support/aps.asp
It's designed for APS, but will work for any EMU10K based card (including SBLive!). Tell the story if you have...
Jaymz
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MaxB
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Polaris. I'm starting to think you can't understand nothing but the User Manual. The fact you talked about Audigy2 is the proof (In case you don't know I'm talking about SBLive with EMU10k1 chip. Not EMU10k2. About Audigy2: it's a fake! Audigy2 can't really record at 24/96).
You didn't understand NOTHING of what I have said. NOTHING.
And please stop to say I'm an ignorant. You need to learn the meaning of the word RESPECT.
In case you don't know I said that I know what a Live is.
I know it's a gamer card.
I'm not saying that there's nothing better, but you need a really expensive card not another "gamer" card. The benefits you have from a Delta are irrelevants (the title of the thread is: "Is there a BIG difference between a sbLive and recording card?") . Your home recorded tracks, both with Live or Delta, are not much of useless sketches. When I want to record like a pro I go in a pro recording studio (maybe this is too expensive for most people, yes, but if you don't own a 24 tracks analog recorder...).
When I want to record just some demo/tests before the real thing, I'm pretty happy with my Live! (somewhere I've wrote about level/noise at -130dB, but it seems no one take care of this. For me it's incredible).
I know about balanced/unbalanced, I'm not waitin that someone called Polaris20 teach this to me. I use to earn moneys with my home studio.
theshaggyfreak:
The noise gate shouldn't even be in the equation of if it's a good sound card for what you're doing. You can put a noise gate on any sound card and get that result.
You are wrong. You missed something. The noise gate is not between the source and the physical line in. The noise gate is after the AC97 Line in (software). So what the noise gate is working mainly it's not the external source. The primary scope of the noise gate is to reduce the noise of the AC97 codec (normally at -76dB). I hope you can understand the evident difference.
Webstop:
1. Don't think that all who dissagree with you are deaf idiots.
2. Don't think that YOUR way of using a home studio is the ONLY way.
1. Ehm... Never said that who disagree with me is a "deaf idiot".
A lot of people here call me an idiot and ignorant. So you must turn your post to the others on this thread, not to me!
2. As you can see from this thread I'm the prophet of the "Unconventional Home Studio"! Hey! am I that one who's saying you can use a Live instead of the "standard one". It's so funny to read your posts, people.
MaxB
You didn't understand NOTHING of what I have said. NOTHING.
And please stop to say I'm an ignorant. You need to learn the meaning of the word RESPECT.
In case you don't know I said that I know what a Live is.
I know it's a gamer card.
I'm not saying that there's nothing better, but you need a really expensive card not another "gamer" card. The benefits you have from a Delta are irrelevants (the title of the thread is: "Is there a BIG difference between a sbLive and recording card?") . Your home recorded tracks, both with Live or Delta, are not much of useless sketches. When I want to record like a pro I go in a pro recording studio (maybe this is too expensive for most people, yes, but if you don't own a 24 tracks analog recorder...).
When I want to record just some demo/tests before the real thing, I'm pretty happy with my Live! (somewhere I've wrote about level/noise at -130dB, but it seems no one take care of this. For me it's incredible).
I know about balanced/unbalanced, I'm not waitin that someone called Polaris20 teach this to me. I use to earn moneys with my home studio.
theshaggyfreak:
The noise gate shouldn't even be in the equation of if it's a good sound card for what you're doing. You can put a noise gate on any sound card and get that result.
You are wrong. You missed something. The noise gate is not between the source and the physical line in. The noise gate is after the AC97 Line in (software). So what the noise gate is working mainly it's not the external source. The primary scope of the noise gate is to reduce the noise of the AC97 codec (normally at -76dB). I hope you can understand the evident difference.
Webstop:
1. Don't think that all who dissagree with you are deaf idiots.
2. Don't think that YOUR way of using a home studio is the ONLY way.
1. Ehm... Never said that who disagree with me is a "deaf idiot".
A lot of people here call me an idiot and ignorant. So you must turn your post to the others on this thread, not to me!
2. As you can see from this thread I'm the prophet of the "Unconventional Home Studio"! Hey! am I that one who's saying you can use a Live instead of the "standard one". It's so funny to read your posts, people.
MaxB
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MaxB
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James Argo said:MaxB, do you run SBLive! on Win2K or WinXP?
Have you checked this driver out...
http://www.emu.com/support/aps.asp
It's designed for APS, but will work for any EMU10K based card (including SBLive!). Tell the story if you have...
Jaymz
Do you know about APSLive?? (http://people.freenet.de/apslive/index1.html)
Before KXDrivers I used APSLive. It was the hack for SBLive! of the official EMU APS drivers (in fact you need to hack the drivers before you can use them with a live!). APSLive was never updated for XP because in the meantime the KX team developed their drivers and the APSLive project was aborted. Anyway KX drivers include all the plugins provided by the APSDrivers + much more, so there's no need to hack the XP version of APS drivers for the live.
MaxB
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adent
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its ok kids! you are ALL right..
jesus! what a crazy thread about an inherently simple topic.....
in many ways MaxB is right- the original query from Jotosuds sounds as though it is asked from the perspective of someone starting out in this caper and therefore not necessarily looking for studio quality recording solutions.
after all, this is the HOMErecording bulletin board. sure we live in a world where it is now possible to spend reasonable amounts of money and set up homestudios that are capable of almost anything. but consider this:
1. most people on the boards are into recording as a hobby (ie. not much if any commercial gain).
2. rational people will prefer to spend as much money as they NEED to for their purposes, not as much as they CAN just to get the best available.
3. as little as 10yrs ago the only economically viable homerecording solution available to most of us was an analogue tape based 4 or 8 track recorder!
so sure! of course there are differences between cheap cards like the SB live and middle of the range professional cards like the delta... particularly in terms of connectivity but also in terms of sound quality.
but for the amateur musician looking to get some recordings done in their bedroom or study, a setup with a cheap card such as SB live and a small mixer can certainly do the job and can even be used to get very good results if care is taken. certainly, the difference between this setup and one with a delta or similar is LESS than the difference between this setup and tape based options!
some of the people on the board (brzillian amongst others) do get pretty aggressive when people talk about making decent recordings with cheap gear but at the end of the day the path you go down depends on what you want to achieve and what you want to spend. perfectly good results can be achieved for most applications using cheap gear!
buy the homerecording CD and have a listen... what you use to record your music adds about the last 2-3% of gloss! the other 97% is your composition, arrangement, and performance!
there are lots of constructive threads on these boards... maybe everyone should stop devoting time and energy to this stupid one!
rock on
george
jesus! what a crazy thread about an inherently simple topic.....
in many ways MaxB is right- the original query from Jotosuds sounds as though it is asked from the perspective of someone starting out in this caper and therefore not necessarily looking for studio quality recording solutions.
after all, this is the HOMErecording bulletin board. sure we live in a world where it is now possible to spend reasonable amounts of money and set up homestudios that are capable of almost anything. but consider this:
1. most people on the boards are into recording as a hobby (ie. not much if any commercial gain).
2. rational people will prefer to spend as much money as they NEED to for their purposes, not as much as they CAN just to get the best available.
3. as little as 10yrs ago the only economically viable homerecording solution available to most of us was an analogue tape based 4 or 8 track recorder!
so sure! of course there are differences between cheap cards like the SB live and middle of the range professional cards like the delta... particularly in terms of connectivity but also in terms of sound quality.
but for the amateur musician looking to get some recordings done in their bedroom or study, a setup with a cheap card such as SB live and a small mixer can certainly do the job and can even be used to get very good results if care is taken. certainly, the difference between this setup and one with a delta or similar is LESS than the difference between this setup and tape based options!
some of the people on the board (brzillian amongst others) do get pretty aggressive when people talk about making decent recordings with cheap gear but at the end of the day the path you go down depends on what you want to achieve and what you want to spend. perfectly good results can be achieved for most applications using cheap gear!
buy the homerecording CD and have a listen... what you use to record your music adds about the last 2-3% of gloss! the other 97% is your composition, arrangement, and performance!
there are lots of constructive threads on these boards... maybe everyone should stop devoting time and energy to this stupid one!
rock on
george
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Beltrom
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Re: its ok kids! you are ALL right..
Good post! I agree 97%!
Maybe this could finally put an end to the hostilities.
adent said:
Good post! I agree 97%!
Maybe this could finally put an end to the hostilities.
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theshaggyfreak
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MaxB said:
Polaris talked about bout the Live card and the Audigy. Did you read his post?
Again, I can add noise gate software to any sound card. So, your point is moot since the gate only is a true issue when there is silence.
I still have no respect for you since you aparently do not seem to read entire posts or understand what everyone is trying to tell you. Folks are trying to help you're just being condescending with them. No one here really cares what sound card you use.
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theshaggyfreak
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Re: its ok kids! you are ALL right..
I agree with you 100%, and I think I'm gona put this one to rest on my part.
adent said:
I agree with you 100%, and I think I'm gona put this one to rest on my part.
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Polaris20
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And I'm starting to think you can't read the instruction manual. I know Audigy 2 is a fake in regards to its recording abilities, but at least it's better than the Live.
If a card is quiet, you won't need a noise gate as much. I can't believe that putting a bandaid on something that could be fixed with a higher quality card is acceptable to you.
Whatever dude. You're most definitely not going to change my mind about Creative Live cards.
Chris Tondreau
Member
Aw....geez.... I'm going to spend the afternoon finding everyone I don't agree with and put *them* on *my* ignore list. I'll have the longest ignore list on the *whole* BBS. Every time in the future I don't agree with someone.... BOOM!!..... ignore list for you, buddy!! 
From now on, I'll be guaranteed of logging onto my own little E-topia daily to talk to people who think like ME, act like ME, like the products *I* like, work like ME, and heck... maybe even look like ME. Yes, folks, avoid conflict at all costs.
Voxvendor... you're first, ya homo!
Sonicpaint.... you're next!
MisterQcue, dtb, LiSlim, participant, Rats, JGourd, FM, Roel, Daf, Beezelbubba, Upstate, and all the other JamFest folks..... *IGNORED....all o' ya!!*..... I want to be lonely and uninformed, dammit!!
Chris
From now on, I'll be guaranteed of logging onto my own little E-topia daily to talk to people who think like ME, act like ME, like the products *I* like, work like ME, and heck... maybe even look like ME. Yes, folks, avoid conflict at all costs. Voxvendor... you're first, ya homo!
Sonicpaint.... you're next!
MisterQcue, dtb, LiSlim, participant, Rats, JGourd, FM, Roel, Daf, Beezelbubba, Upstate, and all the other JamFest folks..... *IGNORED....all o' ya!!*..... I want to be lonely and uninformed, dammit!!
Chris
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Polaris20
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Chris Tondreau said:Aw....geez.... I'm going to spend the afternoon finding everyone I don't agree with and put *them* on *my* ignore list. I'll have the longest ignore list on the *whole* BBS. Every time in the future I don't agree with someone.... BOOM!!..... ignore list for you, buddy!!
Voxvendor... you're first, ya homo!
Sonicpaint.... you're next!
MisterQcue, dtb, LiSlim, participant, Rats, JGourd, FM, Roel, Daf, Beezelbubba, Upstate, and all the other JamFest folks..... *IGNORED....all o' ya!!*..... I want to be lonely and uninformed, dammit!!
Chris
Point taken. But I feel there's a difference between differences of opinion, and absurd spewing.
With that, I think I shall retire from this thread.
Be Happy!
ChristopherM
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I don't think the person who started this thread comes back here anymore
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bradthefattest
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yeah i went from an audigy to an aardvark direct pro q10, and i was blown away. it sounds so much better.
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Jotosuds
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sorry to raise the dead thread here, lol.
i decided i don't have the skills nor the $ to merit getting any card yet. i'm just gonna keep using the old setup for song ideas, and getting structures down, etc. once i have a bunch of worthy material, i think i'll plunk down the coin for the :
soundcard
cables
monitors (ouchie wawa, expensivo )
i have preamp, and 2 1/2 mics, just sitting...waiting for the coming of the soundcard. they're lonely.
and now let this accursed thread rest in peace.
thanks all
i decided i don't have the skills nor the $ to merit getting any card yet. i'm just gonna keep using the old setup for song ideas, and getting structures down, etc. once i have a bunch of worthy material, i think i'll plunk down the coin for the :
soundcard
cables
monitors (ouchie wawa, expensivo
)i have preamp, and 2 1/2 mics, just sitting...waiting for the coming of the soundcard. they're lonely.
and now let this accursed thread rest in peace.
thanks all
cominginsecond
Decentralized Media Mogul
Just get a M-Audio MobilePre. It's $139 for two ins and two preamps. Even if your stuff sucks, it's still worth it.
GET RID OF THE SOUNDBLASTER!!!!!!!
GET RID OF THE SOUNDBLASTER!!!!!!!