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Mastering is an art, correct? There's no real right way to do it. Who cares if you don't like his masters. Don't hire him. Done.

I don't know much, if anything, about mastering.
That last sentence explains the first paragraph. There is an art to mastering, but mastering is still process with defined goals, none of which Fala is addressing with what he's doing.

It's not a question of quality of what he's doing, it's a question of WHAT he's doing at all.. I NEVER said I didn't like his masters - I couldn't because he's not making any masters - I said he's not even mastering. And because you know nothing about mastering, you don't even realize that...and then I get blamed for pointing that out?

A guy can be really, really, REALLY good at Guitar Hero, but he's still not playing guitar. A guy can make the best looking bird houses you ever saw to hang in the backyard, but that doesn't make him an architect. Or, like moresound alluded to, a guy can know and do some first aid or even paramedicine, but that doesn't make him a heart surgeon.

Fala is taking his skills in making bird houses and advertising himself as an architect. And then when I ask him what he knows about stress loads or HVAC distribution design, *I* get called an ass? Really? Really???

The only asses here are Fala for claiming to offer to do something he doesn't even *do*, good or bad - let alone even know the definition of - and folks who say, "I don't know much if anything about subject we're talking about either, but I'm going to give my opinion anyway." Really.

G.
 
And I would choose to pass on that. But thanks. NOTHING wrong with offering.

Just trying to prove a point with the word FREE you get what you pay for.

But I'm really good with a Ginsu knife are you sure (or anyone else sure) that you don't want to give it a try??? :cool:
 
If for no other reason than to get this crap away from mixing.

G.

That's actually a reasonable argument, but it would still elevate the perceived importance of mastering, which to the average homereccer is none . . .

other moderators have ruled differently in the past...just sayin'...

You're correct. Consistency is a bitch in this case (note my original post was before fala implied he was interested in cash at some point, or at least before I noticed that). Can't win here. So we either let the falas of the world be, or I kick out Waltz et al. I guess I'm going with the former. I don't like any of this though, just doesn't seem to be anything much I can do about it. Not unlike the mic board, really.

I don't think anybody ever got banned for free mastering though :confused:
 
That's actually a reasonable argument, but it would still elevate the perceived importance of mastering, which to the average homereccer is none . . .



You're correct. Consistency is a bitch in this case (note my original post was before fala implied he was interested in cash at some point, or at least before I noticed that). Can't win here. So we either let the falas of the world be, or I kick out Waltz et al. I guess I'm going with the former. I don't like any of this though, just doesn't seem to be anything much I can do about it. Not unlike the mic board, really.

I don't think anybody ever got banned for free mastering though :confused:

What about free open heart surgery? :D
 
Birdhouse Police

Until further notice, do not let anyone build you a birdhouse for free unless they are a licensed architect! These birdhouse junkies are completely ruining the architectural industry. It's been reported that after last weeks earthquake a few birds have left their cages.:laughings:
 
And see...this is kinda the heart if it all.
and he even originally put up someone else's website for some instant "credibility" (which he then took down when asked about it).

this website recording studio is mine and my guitarist there down in facebook in my signature.....
 
Here's a suggestion. Why don't you guys actually learn what mastering actually *IS* before you try to decide what's truth and what's not here?

SouthSIDE Glen, if you're asking for a definition of the term mastering my answer is that the term varies in use and there are probably several definitions that by several different people would be correct. I can only describe it as I know it. From my experience working with several studio owners who also do mastering work (and these are people who own established studios). Since you feel the need to teach me. Then teach me. Fix my description of mastering and then sticky it so that in the future, you can merely pop into a thread like this and refer to the “Mastering Definition”. That way we can stop listening to you tell us how wrong we are.

Mastering at it's simplest is the art and science of maximizing an audio track, or collection of tracks in an album, soundtrack or video accompaniment, in order to improve it's quality, balance and presentation. As such it is not a task-based procedural endeavor but, rather, requires the mastering engineer to analyze the material and make decisions about what can be done to improve the overall presentation of the audio (I use the term audio and not music, because mastering can be done for any type of audio be it an album, soundtrack, or audio accompanying a video).

Compression (dynamic compression included), expansion, limiting, EQ, and use of effects (including spacial effects like reverb or delays) to affect the track volume, balance, stereo qualities and ambiance are all common practices when mastering audio. And the techniques can range from broad shaping techniques to very specific adjustments to affect the audio in ways that can range from subtle balancing to specific frequency manipulation (for example to fix a specific note within a song). Essentially there are no “rules” to how this is done. It is up to the mastering engineer to determine how to use the tools available (and the tools can range from hardware outboard processing to digital, software based solutions), to create the best artistic representation of the audio. Hopefully with input from the artist, producer and mix engineer.

I know the term mastering was initially derived from the process of creating the wax, glass, or composite “master” which would then be used to mass produce the final product. In actuality what we're talking about here is more correctly referred to as “premastering” since the term mastering typically refers to the process of post-audio production when the actual product (album, DVD whatever) is being produced.

What Fala is offering is NOT mastering. And he's not the only one; there's thousands out there scamming themselves and the public the same way. This has nothing to do with schoolyard locker room rules or anything like that. It has to do with all those out there like you and him who have no idea what they are talking about, listening to each other and reinforcing each other's wrong ideas about how the world works, because you think that fact is a matter of majority opinion. You guys get pissed every time someone tries telling you that this stuff is a skillcraft and not an automatic entitlement.

I agree...what Fala is offering is NOT mastering in the way that I understand it. You're right. From what I can tell he is merely increasing the volume of the tracks by compression. And maybe using EQ as he sees fit to shape the sound. I've followed the thread dude...I'm aware of what he's done to the tracks.

But Fala is not “scamming” anyone. He's just telling people that he'll master a song for free. I'm sorry that you take issue with his use of the term mastering, but all you're doing here is continuing to present yourself as an elitist. Which is fine if you're ok with that. But I'm sure that if you approach people like Fala with a bit less indignation and a little more “fatherly direction” you'll find that most are willing to take criticism. And no Miroslav, I don't need everything to be sugarcoated. I just don't want to listen to the same two dudes wax poetic all the time about how mastering is so misunderstood.

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that neither Miro or I are mastering engineers, and that Fala has not gotten his hands on *any* mastering software, so your beliefs about anybody being afraid are way offbase.

And if you bothered actually reading this thread, you'd know that Fala is indeed offering a service beyond the free faux mastering:

I know you and Miroslav aren't mastering engineers, I've been reading this forum long enough for that. I do know that you are ALWAYS trying to pull threads like this (which is just a dude who is doing what he thinks is mastering, and really not hurting anyone) into a discussion about how mastering is so misunderstood. But all of this doesn't help anyone...it just makes them not want to talk to you about it. So they'll go elsewhere and probably miss out on some of the important things you could teach them.

How else is Fala supposed to get better at mastering, you ask? You mean beyond actually learning what mastering actually *IS* before he tries doing it? I asked him what he thought mastering was, and his response was to cut and paste a pretty good answer that he had to look up on the Internet. Then when I asked him as a followup how what he was offering was related to that answer, he fell back on the "no speak English" smokescreen, which he apparently uses only for those questions he doesn't want to or can't answer.

Paranoid much? You think Fala is using his literacy as a false pretense to scam money out of a bunch of people who hang around on an audio forum? Dude...I'm pretty sure most people here are just saving up to buy their next piece of gear.

And I reiterate that Fala hasn't actually talked about money amounts anywhere on this thread...because I have read it...from page one to this post.

I open that question up to anybody and everybody here; how does what he is offering for free even closely resemble the answer he gave to "What is mastering"? I'll start by giving my own reply: "It doesn't."

If anyone disagrees with me on that, fine; let's hear it. Such a debate would be a good "teachable moment" for Fala and Gizmo and everyone else reading this who just doesn't yet get it, for them to actually lean what's really going on instead of just blaming others for their own ignorance.

G.

Answered above.

In short...what Fala is offering is not really Mastering. You're right. But don't be so freakin' adamant about making it clear that he doesn't know what he's doing. It makes you look like a bully.

And don't feel the need to teach me about mastering...I'm comfortable with the way I understand it. If I have questions I'll ask (probably not here though, because I don't want to be subject to your teaching methods). I'll learn as I go just like most of the rest of use here will.
 
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The only asses here are Fala for claiming to offer to do something he doesn't even *do*, good or bad - let alone even know the definition of - and folks who say, "I don't know much if anything about subject we're talking about either, but I'm going to give my opinion anyway." Really.

G.

I think that pretty much sums up my argument.

It seems you don't understand the concept of a public forum. People are supposed to give their opinions here.
 
Mastering at it's simplest is the art and science of maximizing an audio track, or collection of tracks in an album, soundtrack or video accompaniment, in order to improve it's quality, balance and presentation.
Incorrect. That is the job of the mixing engineer.

It is the mastering engineer's job to assemble and massage what the mixing engineer created into something ready for duplication and or distribution on the media for which it is intended. There are not other legitimate definitions that deviate greatly from that main theme.

The whole idea of using mastering to "improve" what comes out of mixing is a creation of Internet myth, supported by those few actual mastering engineers (only a few of the many, most of which who don't) who see it as a way of increasing their revenue in an age where the big box studios that supplied most of their previous business are disappearing.

My problem with that, Gizmo, is not that I am an old man who doesn't like evolving definitions (as others have accused me of many times before), it's that in my time here interacting with the current breed of home recorders, I have seen an alarming majority trend of folks who simply do not wish to learn how to actually mix, and are in too much of a damn hurry to get their stuff published - for no actual reason other than their own impatience - to be bothered with it. They WANT to see faux mastering - i.e. working the 2mix in an effort to turn an unfinished mix into a finished one - as their saving grace that (they believe) allows them to phone in not only the mixing, but the tracking as well.

Why should I care what they want? Because it damages the MUSIC to think and act that way. As good as some mastering engineers may be, both the real pros and the amateurs, they are NO substitute for frontloading the obligation to tracking and mixing, it just does not compare. In fact, it's just the opposite, the best mastering results come from the best mixes, not the ones that need mastering to sound good to begin with.

The torch is being passed. Home recording is becoming a majority force in the music world. We're not just building birdhouses here; the homerecorders of today are the architects of tomorrow's music industry.

I am passionate about seeing that torch not be dropped along the way just because of a myth of misinformation that enables laziness or impatience amongst so many home recorders, because it will result in a general decrease in quality of the final product which will be available to everybody over the next few decades.

If some people want to misinterpret that as a bully-ish attitude, I can't help that. Thee main reason some folks see that as bullying is because in the 21st century culture many (not all, but a disturbingly large amount of) people want to hear what they want to hear. They ask questions, but if the answer is not what they want it to be, they don't want to be bothered with it.

And what is most certain in this forum is that any answer that tells someone that the best answer is not sitting on a silver platter for them to just take when they want and how they want, they see it as interfering with their sense of self-entitlement. And anyone who tries to take away their sense of entitlement without their having to earn it or work for it is just being a bully at worst, or an elitist at best.

That response is something no one can do nothing about, no matter how many niceties they try couching it in (I've tried, believe me, as have many others.) Even the nicest most constructive replies are bullying to some folks who just do not what to hear that music production is not something that one can learn to do well in 3 days, or that they can just count on "mastering" as a loophole to let them sidestep that unfortunate truth.

Some folks with the proper knowledge or experience just keep mum just to keep the peace. And so do I - you have no idea how many posts I have NOT made in the interest of just shutting up for a while and letting things ride. But sometimes I do make a stand on principle.

If someone doesn't like it, they can always put me on their ignore list, I'm perfectly OK with that; no one is forcing anyone to listen to my alleged bullying or elitism.

G.
 
G.
I would hate to put you on my ignore list, because most the things you say are helpful. But at least in this case you are acting like an elitist, that is a great way of saying it.

I hate when people use thier power or knowledge in a way that doesn't help anyone. And that's what you are doing.

I may be wrong, but I think mastering could mean a million different things. Don't get me wrong, I hate when people try to act like they are a pro at something, when in reality they have no real clue at why they are doing things. But I don't remember him saying he was a pro. And even if he did. All that would need to be said is that he is not a pro. Just because his mastering definition doesn't include all the same as yours, doesn't mean he isn't mastering IMO.

I do t care if I k ow what I'm talking about. This is just my opinion. Mastering is whatever you want it to be. Mixing is whatever you want it to be. Pros are whatever you want them to be. I'm not a pro at anything (exept bussing tables back in the day) but to me it's like telling a kid playing baseball he doesn't know how to play baseball, because he doesn't really know what he is doing. But he's having fun. Isn't that what it's all about. He's "mastering" for fun. He's not scammng anyone. 1 song free. You can hear his work. F you don't think it's mastering, don't have him master your cd. To some people that may be mastering.

Again my opinion. Really.
 
It seems you don't understand the concept of a public forum. People are supposed to give their opinions here.
It seems to me that people don't understand that not all opinions are created equal. It's impossible to from a meaningful opinion on topics for which one is uninformed. I may form an initial opinion on how to run a country, but I sure as hell am not so egotistical to think that my opinion actually means anything unless or until I have studied the subject enough and/or had enough experience to actually know what I am talking about, and certainly not so idiotic to express such uninformed opinions in public.

Any opinion that begins with "I don't know what I am talking about, but ..." (and hoo boy, there are more than a few of them) doesn't deserve the time it takes to read the opinion any further. That pisses a lot of people off who don't want to make the effort to learn first, but that just too bad, because it's the truth.

G.
 
Well there are laws against unlicensed practice of medicine, but I don't particularly care about moderating them. Are you offering?

Only in the same respect as in young Frankenstein. THAT'S FRANKENSTEIN. Roll in the hay.
 
to me it's like telling a kid playing baseball he doesn't know how to play baseball, because he doesn't really know what he is doing.
But that's the very thing, AMcB, he isn't a kid playing baseball; he's a kid throwing a frisbee around. No matter how you slice it, that's not baseball.

There are a million different definitions of "mastering", of which about 999,998 are just plain wrong. And Fala's definition is not one of the other two. I'm sorry, but that just the way it is. You are entitled not to like that, and you are entitled to disagree with me. But that does not change the facts.

Knowledge is not elitist. Spreading one's knowledge is not elitist. Elitist is believing that one need not have the knowledge in order to be able to judge the ones who do one way or the other.

G.
 
south see my English is very very bad sorry I can not make an easy conversation .... I do not know those things I regret sorry

We need JoeyM to help with the translations. JOOOOooooooeey.....
 
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