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Well it did sound very neat, but by no means natural.mixmkr said:
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
VSpaceBoy said:
Heavens to Betsy that my playing sounds natural!! If it sounds ok, I could care less what it emulates or not. I threw those rules out long ago. But obviously I still have rules I subconciously can't rid myself of, as the playing isn't really that original, imo.
Your a friend for taking the time to listen and post a comment. Thank you very much.
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
If you care for your tone you WILL go the extra mile. but line 6 does not suck. It's like keyboard bass. fine untill you use a bassplayer. LOL
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Phildo
I heart guitars!
Yep but there's something of a price difference - Pod2 - £200.00. Mesa Dual Rectifier with 4x12 - what, about £2,000 or so.Toker41 said:
They're different beasts, and it's simply daft to compare them like-for-like. A Pod can model probably about £20,000 worth of modern and vintage gear quite well. For a couple hundred, that's not too shaky.
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boomtap
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I just hooked my XT live to a used Cyber Twin I picked up for $400, and with a whole lot of programing, I can get best of both worlds to get some great sounding authentic tones. (minus anything acoustic). I use the Line 6 for much of the heavier sounds, and the cybertwin for much of the clean/semi sounds. Works pretty well, escpecially with the midi out on the XT Live controling the Cyber Twin so every sound can be completley diverse. The variax gives me a host of options on top of that. Most of the time if I am not getting a desired sound with the XT and the Cyber I can find a guitar model that helps me achieve it.
I am playing with it this weeked live. I will post how it worked out.
I am playing with it this weeked live. I will post how it worked out.
Supercreep
Lizard People
SHEPPARDB. said:
I use a tube amp and a pod xt, which beats the shit out of most stompboxes - of which I have a variety of respectable pedigree. I use a variax 300 for detail work quite frequently, along with my SG. None of it is garbage. If you can't get a good tasteful sound of gear like that you've got a tin ear, pal. If you worried more about sound and less about image and ego you'd have some more tools in your kit and some more money in your wallet, IMHO.
Nobody is claiming that a variax or an xt replaces that which they emulate. But I'll be damned if I'm going to buy a 360-12 to record eighteen seconds of prechorus - just like I'll be damned before I ever buy a B3; not after using NI B4. I'm sure you have great tone and great hands and a stellar setup and all; I'd love to have a nice strat myself. But go easy on the invective - used tastefully and reamped when necessary these tools do a fine job. YMMV, but that is more a reflection of your ability and creativity than the quality and usefulness of line 6 products.
-Casey
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boomtap
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I think I spent about $800 for the XT Live and the Fender Cyber Twin, and another $450 for the Variax. To be honest I don't use the Twin much, but I think I will give it ago this weekend for live stuff.
I don't really think that $1200 is out of line for a guitar/tube amp/pedals and effects/floor tuner.
Lots of tweaking though, many a long night and lots of crap sounds trying to find something that is usable.
I don't really think that $1200 is out of line for a guitar/tube amp/pedals and effects/floor tuner.
Lots of tweaking though, many a long night and lots of crap sounds trying to find something that is usable.
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goodbyebluesky
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I played with a Tonelab for an hour or so at GC pitting it against other setups in my head. The Vox sounds are great (I would hope so right?) and other clean and semi distorted sounds really sing, but their idea of "thrash" is going to disapoint many. The Dimebag setting was interesting but didn't have that chug-chug feeling, it ended up sounding thin, and the more I played with it the more I realized I could NOT get a heavy sound out of it like I want a good portion of the time.
I ended up buying a used Pod Pro. Its so freakin easy to use. I can set amp models setting the way I like them and then anytime I bring up that amp it maintains those settings, completely independant of the presets. Same goes for the effects. Its almost like having stomboxes already dialed in and you just bring them up via rotary knob. I do not miss the tedious editing I had grown accustomed to with my Digitech RP-300. I get my metalcore chugga fix, I get a thick Mesa rhythm sound, good singing sustaining lead sounds without having to compress the crap out of it , and some gritty clean tones like I enjoy. I wish the Jazz Chorus model was more accurate- it fatness doesn't compare to ones I've played through. Ironically thats not even a TUBE amp like all the others they emulate in this thing.......
I like my Line6 gear for what I use it for, but I would never hope to actually get acoustic sounds from some digital emulation technology. Maybe a little hypocritical since tube-aficianados with their boutique-amp-budgets roll their eyes out of their heads at guys like me digging their "mesa" or "soldano" tones generated by some computer boards. But I draw the line at replacing real acoustic sounds or having to replace a beloved guitar with a...... thing like the Variax. If you are the only guitarist in a band and you just have to have an acoustic break in the middle of an otherwise electric song- figure out a way around it. The song can live on.......
I ended up buying a used Pod Pro. Its so freakin easy to use. I can set amp models setting the way I like them and then anytime I bring up that amp it maintains those settings, completely independant of the presets. Same goes for the effects. Its almost like having stomboxes already dialed in and you just bring them up via rotary knob. I do not miss the tedious editing I had grown accustomed to with my Digitech RP-300. I get my metalcore chugga fix, I get a thick Mesa rhythm sound, good singing sustaining lead sounds without having to compress the crap out of it , and some gritty clean tones like I enjoy. I wish the Jazz Chorus model was more accurate- it fatness doesn't compare to ones I've played through. Ironically thats not even a TUBE amp like all the others they emulate in this thing.......
I like my Line6 gear for what I use it for, but I would never hope to actually get acoustic sounds from some digital emulation technology. Maybe a little hypocritical since tube-aficianados with their boutique-amp-budgets roll their eyes out of their heads at guys like me digging their "mesa" or "soldano" tones generated by some computer boards. But I draw the line at replacing real acoustic sounds or having to replace a beloved guitar with a...... thing like the Variax. If you are the only guitarist in a band and you just have to have an acoustic break in the middle of an otherwise electric song- figure out a way around it. The song can live on.......
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Toker41
Better Than You
I repeat...
...IT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE A MESA! NOT EVEN CLOSE!
...IT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE A MESA! NOT EVEN CLOSE!
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goodbyebluesky
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I'm afraid you're probably right thats why I stay away from expensive tube amps. I would probably go home and cry and plot ways to raise funds for the real thing...... like selling my kidneys.......... or eldest child.Toker41 said:
But seriously the wife would probably divorce me if I wanted a whole new setup now.
Had a Digitech modeler and sold it, bought a L6 Flextone and sold it after a week, bought Pod Pro, power amp, 8 space rack case, various cables.... and purchased my Tascam as well, all in the last 6 months. Not very expensive stuff but it adds up to a big chunk of change for just a hobby I try and justify. And I still want a 412 cab in the future, a rack preamp for recording, some better microphones. Still pining for a Paul too.....
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zrockisaddictin
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i agree with the guy above me somewhere
the vox tonelab is outstanding
the vox tonelab is outstanding
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StudioMxpx
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The Vox tonelab can beat the crap out of any Line 6 product..which im not saying line 6 sucks but the tone lab is far ahead from line 6..plus tone lab actully runs on a tube..to get real tube sounds you need a tube..none of this digital distortion bullshit..If your thinking about buying a Pod check out the Vox Tonelab first..it might change your mind!
~Chris~
~Chris~
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boomtap
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I like being able to edit my presets and midi funtions, even guitar tunnings via my laptop. I keep my laptop on stage with me just in case I want to tweak on something during a rehersal, and I can completly change a sound within minutes and store it. This is escpecially helpful when you use your XT live with a midi capable amp. Line 6 rocks.
Do you think they will ever just make replacement upgrade cards for the variax guitar when they come up with new sounds? You could just pull out your old card, and slap in a new one that gives you a completely diffrent variety of options.
Do you think they will ever just make replacement upgrade cards for the variax guitar when they come up with new sounds? You could just pull out your old card, and slap in a new one that gives you a completely diffrent variety of options.
Supercreep
Lizard People
boomtap said:
No, not when they can just sell us a different product at a different price point.
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boomtap
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That would be cool though, it would be like a computer case, you would just slap in a new motherboard and some ram, and pow a new computer. Even if they just sold upgrades. It would be cool.
espskully
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I like using my Flextone II along with mic'ing a tube amp. For my metal stuff, I record the right channel using me Rectifier, then the direct out of the Flextone on the left. The 2 blend very nicely and compliment each other. I quite like the Rectifier setting on the Flextone. I run the direct out to my ART pro channel (a tube channel strip) which really beefs it up. It is actually really thick and chunky.
I aslo like the blackface Fender sound with a little bit of delay.
But I don't like it live. I lug around my MusicMan 2x12 for that. Heavy as shit - killer tone.
I aslo like the blackface Fender sound with a little bit of delay.
But I don't like it live. I lug around my MusicMan 2x12 for that. Heavy as shit - killer tone.
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Superhuman
Shagaholic
Boomtap, don't have speakers set up on this pc so sorry I can't give feedback on your recording.
Re Line6, I think their stomp boxes are very good quality. The DM4 can nail any "dry" distortion sound you want. As far as the PODxt goes, it is good for home recording (which is what this forum is all about isnt it??) BUT I find the sound very fake. I have heard amazing recordings using the POD so this proves that it all depends on how good you are at tweaking the hardware. For example, an amazing lead sound created on a PODxt can be found on the "Virtual Virtuosity" cd by Theodore Ziras. I've read plenty of pros such as Michael Romeo (from Symphony X) say that the POD is better for abstract sounds and clean accoustic... I agree (except when it comes to THeodore Ziras!). The distortions certainly do not have the same degree of punch provided by a good Marshall or Rectifier.
Re Line6, I think their stomp boxes are very good quality. The DM4 can nail any "dry" distortion sound you want. As far as the PODxt goes, it is good for home recording (which is what this forum is all about isnt it??) BUT I find the sound very fake. I have heard amazing recordings using the POD so this proves that it all depends on how good you are at tweaking the hardware. For example, an amazing lead sound created on a PODxt can be found on the "Virtual Virtuosity" cd by Theodore Ziras. I've read plenty of pros such as Michael Romeo (from Symphony X) say that the POD is better for abstract sounds and clean accoustic... I agree (except when it comes to THeodore Ziras!). The distortions certainly do not have the same degree of punch provided by a good Marshall or Rectifier.
Monsoon
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VSpaceBoy said:
This is what I use it for. I have a the 75 watt Line 6 Spider, too. Am I thrilled with the sound? No, not really. I've been playing with it a long time and still haven't found the sound that grabs me.
Is it ok enough for playing at low volumes to practice or song-write? Absolutely.
Can I plug in a set of headphones and really crank it at 12:00 am. Yes I can.
Can I direct line it into my computer to get a demo down to share with my band-mates. Oh yes, regardless of the time of day or night and regardless of whether any of my kids are bouncing off the walls screaming and yelling as they play.
Honestly, for home recording I don't know how you can't have a tool like this. Quiet practice. Quiet recording. Can record even when all hell is breaking loose around you.
Would I use it live? Eh, no - it's ok, but I don't love the sound. But it's certainly good enough for recording demos and working on getting a song put together.
freshmattyp
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My main gigging amp is a Fender Cyber Deluxe. For my needs, it's a perfect fit. Italso records nicely. I have A/B'd it against Blackface and Tweed Deluxe's, and honestly, there's not a lick of difference. I don't really use any of the high gain settings, mostly because that's not my style. Most of the distortion I need I get from using the tweed setting, and cranking the gain for some good old tube-like breakup.
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drummercat
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1yr ago my guitarist do the A/B comparison between a Line6 POD pro (not xt) and a MESA studio preamp. both output to a MESA 2:90 power amp, and a Marshall 1960B cabinet.
The line 6 sounded good!! just if you dont have any real tube amp for comparison!! The sound come from the POD.....sounds really like the MESA .....but even I know nothing about guitar sound, I can hear the line 6 sounds like "recorded" from something and playing back to me "aka FAKE??", but the real tube amp never have this feeling.
so my guitarist sold the POD......and stay with the MESA pre.
later he added A sansamp GT-2, which is something like Line6 modelling I think?? but it sounded better and no fake feeling at all!!
The line 6 sounded good!! just if you dont have any real tube amp for comparison!! The sound come from the POD.....sounds really like the MESA .....but even I know nothing about guitar sound, I can hear the line 6 sounds like "recorded" from something and playing back to me "aka FAKE??", but the real tube amp never have this feeling.
so my guitarist sold the POD......and stay with the MESA pre.
later he added A sansamp GT-2, which is something like Line6 modelling I think?? but it sounded better and no fake feeling at all!!
