How's this mastering job?

[leaningpine]

Christ you guys are dense! I put a before and after up so you could see.......

I'm not comparing Boston to the Who, I'm talking about the sound, the sonic sound, you know EQ of how the CD's were mastered

Here's a short summary of the thread thus far:

Hows the mastering job on this CD?

You should post this in the MP3 mixing section

I want to know how the mastering sounds......

It's hard to tell without a before and after

OK here's the mixdown.....

It's hard to tell without a before and after

The guitars sound mushy

I'm not asking about the mix........

The bass is too loud

I'm not asking about the mix............

I can hear the difference

NO YOU CANT IT"S IMPOSSIBLE

Stupid newb...

Ya, haha, he's a newbie!

How can you ask a question when there's nothing to compare it to

The mixdown is posted

he doesn't hear what he wants so he won't listen

been on here for years , yeah right!

Where's Glen?

You said Boston sounds like the who, whats wrong with you, don't you know anything about music! You think 70's rock is all the same?

fuck off newb.....

I started here in 2002 and left in 2004 because I saw how unintelligent and childish some of the post were.

I figured after a few years there would be a new group on here but it seems worse than before.

Honestly what advice have any of you guys given me,(besides a couple of other posters) You wanted before and afters so I gave you before and afters, still no advice.

 

[masteringhouse]

You said Boston sounds like the who, whats wrong with you, don't you know anything about music! You think 70's rock is all the same?

I was talking sonically as well as musically. Even Boston releases don't sound the same from album to album.

You didn't really answer the main question though, what were you looking for mastering to improve on in your mixes? You had said earlier that the mixes sound good and translate well but you want them to sound like a 70's album. Maybe you want to run them all to tape, maybe you want more dynamics than you currently have. This statement is so ambiguous that it means nothing at all.

Without knowing what the goals are for your master there really isn't anyway to measure other than public opinion which really doesn't mean much since you're the artist and it's your vision. I would say that if you are not happy with it then it's not a good master, if you are then job well done. If you expect mastering to transform a mix into something that it wasn't close to initially then you are misunderstanding the process.

 

[leaningpine]

Hey Rami, I posted a review of your mix in the MP3 mixing clinic. As you'll see it's got an opinion, OK class, can we say opinion?.......... good!

Then it has possibly some helpful advice..... yes that's right! Advice! Something that may help someone out in the long run......

I didn't however tell you to fuck off and die like you told me to.

 

[Waltz Mastering]

^^^
No worries... the thread is only a couple days old. Have a refreshment.

...I'll have an Absolute on ice....

 

[leaningpine]

I was talking sonically as well as musically. Even Boston releases don't sound the same from album to album.

You didn't really answer the main question though, what were you looking for mastering to improve on in your mixes? You had said earlier that the mixes sound good and translate well but you want them to sound like a 70's album. Maybe you want to run them all to tape, maybe you want more dynamics than you currently have. This statement is so ambiguous that it means nothing at all.

No I didn't say I wanted them to sound like a 70's album, I want the sound that a mastered CD has. There is a certain sound that cd's have that are mastered, an airy, floaty kind of sound like the music is floating. It sounds the same on all systems when it's mastered. I didn't think it would be that difficult of a question, I posted a before and after and I either got people that didn't listen or were more into making fun of the newbie. I don't care anymore to be perfectly honest....

I've talked to Pete too, he's a very genuine guy............

 

[masteringhouse]

No I didn't say I wanted them to sound like a 70's album, I want the sound that a mastered CD has. There is a certain sound that cd's have that are mastered, an airy, floaty kind of sound like the music is floating. It sounds the same on all systems when it's mastered. I didn't think it would be that difficult of a question, I posted a before and after and I either got people that didn't listen or were more into making fun of the newbie. I don't care anymore to be perfectly honest....

Earlier post...

The song is supposed to have a classic rock sound to it, like Boston mostly. It's mixed similar to the way Tom Scholz mixes which is heavy on Bass because the bass dances around alot in his songs, Along the lines of the arena rock bands of the late 70's. It's been mastered to sound like those CD's. When I play the song side by side with songs by Zep, Boston, The Who the mix and overall sound is similar to those CD's.

Can you see my confusion with the statement above?

I've talked to Pete too, he's a very genuine guy............

Absolutely, it's great when you meet an "institution" in the industry that's honest and down to earth.

 

[RAMI]

Hey Rami, I posted a review of your mix in the MP3 mixing clinic. As you'll see it's got an opinion, OK class, can we say opinion?.......... good!

Then it has possibly some helpful advice..... yes that's right! Advice! Something that may help someone out in the long run......

I didn't however tell you to fuck off and die like you told me to.

Yes, and if I asked people what they thought of my mastering job, while talking about the lyrics and the bass line, I'd expect to be told fuck off and die, too (though I never told you to fuck off and die, so if you're going to be a whiny little baby, at least try to be honest about it).

 

[leaningpine]

OK so this, in summary, isn't fuck off and die?

"Fuck, you're clueless. Go away....earth is full".

lol, I was nice in your review BTW, maybe I'll have to tell it like it really is next time

 

[masteringhouse]

There is a certain sound that cd's have that are mastered, an airy, floaty kind of sound like the music is floating.

I would really like to understand this comment further. If nothing else I think that this thread can serve as an example of communication between client and ME.

We've gotten past the 70's thing. When you say "like the music is floating" do you mean forward to back depth? Again "floating" is a bit too ambiguous to put into a technical remedy on how to further process the original mix. When I think "airy" I think frequencies in 12k and up range. Two separate issues and remedies.

 

[RAMI]

OK so this, in summary, isn't fuck off and die?

"Fuck, you're clueless. Go away....earth is full".

NO, what I said was funny. I don't expect you to agree since it was at your expense.

lol, I was nice in your review BTW, maybe I'll have to tell it like it really is next time

LOL! You make that sound like a threat, like you're going to hurt me. Dude, I do this as a hobby and I'm still learning. Not everyone gets their diapers in a bunch over nothing like you do. Give me all the criticism you have, it might help me improve...though I know any "review" you would give at this point would be done with a chip on your shoulder, so I'd take it with a grain of salt.

You're obviously one of those uptight "musicians" who goes to a show, keeps their arms folded the whole time, while telling whoever's beside you how much better you can do. This music thing isn't a competition thing for me. If I was a baby, I'd tell you what I thought of your song, too. But you'd think I was just trying to be a prick. But believe me, you're in no position to start pretending you have anything to teach anyone about recording. Let's just leave it at that.

 

[leaningpine]

No it's not a threat it's an example of your childishness, which is exactly what you posted, which is exactly what I expected from you.

I'll give an honest review, which is what I'll do if I review any of your music or anybody's, and I'll be brutally honest if I have to, like when I said your drums sound like your beating on plastic garbage can lids.

Look, you don't like the way my mix sounds and you say I don't know how to record, and I say I don't like the way your drums sound and you don't know how to record a drum kit. We could go on forever, your guitar sound sucks or your vocals suck etc..... everyone's got a different ear. I think the way Jimmy Page records and mixes is terrible, carouselambra is one of the worst recorded Zep songs I've ever heard, but there's 30 other people who probably disagree with me and will rip me a new ass. It's all about opinion, and If I would have gotten someone to tell me what the problem was and what I could do I wouldn't have gotten frustrated. Maybe it wasn't a clear question but I tried to clear it up.

NO, I'm not an uptight musician and I'm totally into learning as much as I can about recording, but when there's guys like you who offer nothing but insults and wise cracks it makes it hard to learn.

I just wonder what childish ignorant insult you have brewing next... come on! I know you got another coming! (I figure at some point I'll end up using all of these smilies)

 

[RAMI]

Man, I got to learn how to record drums.

 

[leaningpine]

Exactly, like I need to learn how to record...... I don't know! Why don't you tell me then!

 

[RAMI]

Exactly, like I need to learn how to record...... I don't know! Why don't you tell me then!

A little paranoid, are we????

 

[grimtraveller]

It takes huge amounts of confidence to do nothing.

I'm reminded of a daft line from a song I wrote recently while driving around the polluted city....

"I like to do nothing
And to do it very well !"

 

[mixmkr]

so... what where your other "names" when you were here before? I've been around too like Lt. B.. so I'd probably remember...


I don't think people mastered their stuff around here 8 years ago
mastering has only come of age since everyone has a torrent copy of Waves, Cubase, Sonar, Soundforge, Adobe Audition, etc, etc...

 

[ocnor]

We could go on forever, your guitar sound sucks or your vocals suck etc..... everyone's got a different ear

Then why are you getting your panties in a bunch when people tell you what their "different ear" is hearing? When I listened to your tune my first thought was "why is he so concerned with mastering when the song sounds like it's only half finished?" So obviously several peoples "different ear" was telling them that your mix didn't sound correct. Even if it does translate well on other systems that just means that your mix is equally askew on all systems.

 

[noisewreck]

so... what where your other "names" when you were here before? I've been around too like Lt. B.. so I'd probably remember...


I don't think people mastered their stuff around here 8 years ago
mastering has only come of age since everyone has a torrent copy of Waves, Cubase, Sonar, Soundforge, Adobe Audition, etc, etc...

You forgot Ozone and T-Racks

 

[MCI2424]

.........I started here in 2002 and left in 2004 because I saw how unintelligent and childish some of the post were.

I figured after a few years there would be a new group on here but it seems worse than before.......
.

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

 

[Waltz Mastering]

What do you guys think of this mastering job? Just curious to see if anyone's hearing what I'm hearing......

http://plunder.com/03deead8b2

Listening to the "mastered" version and not being able to access the soundclick mix, I would say that over all, things could be more present and forward sounding.

There seems to be a film or haze over everything that gives it a distant sound. The ride cymbal seems to have the most presence, where I would want to here things like the vocal, kick, snare and bass to be out front.

I definitely hear the Boston influence.