Jillchaw said:
Owning a guitar and liking music alot doesnt make you a musician.
...Neither do a handful of biological studios and an irrational belief that music cannot exist without science.
Jillchaw said:
And to believe that being an artist takes more than just screaming about your life into a mic with purple hair bothers you.
If that was an insult directed at my fiancee, I'd like you to take it back. She is truly the most talented vocalist and songwriter I have ever met.
Jillchaw said:
And to the guy that said he lost respect for me after he read all the things i wrote... seriously, if i was in your band, id be the last guy to ever be out of ideas on how to make songs more appealing structurally and id be the last guy to fuck up or ignore subtle nuance in performance. So feel how you want about me but you wont find anyone as quick to understand the elements of music as i do very easily. You would probably turn to me time and time again to fix problems in your arrangements and help you breathe life into your songs. Whether you liked me or not. Because thats just how it goes. There are those that can and those that cant. None of this arguing matters cause when it came down to it id be improving your own songs better than you could. I could make your personal style sound even more like your personal style than you could. So please insult me some more.
Again, I'd like to state that having a lot of knowledge about the science of music doesn't make you a songwriting genius. A lot of what you've stated to be proven by scientific study, most of us simply know to be true and follow, and we haven't wasted hours reading about it first. We might not know all the jargon, but we know music.
Jillchaw said:
You might be all proud of yourself thinking that if most music sucks than how come you like it. Well thats cultural. You like how the music makes you feel on the level of your own identity. You want to be a metal head. So you listen to metal. Its YOUR music. It speaks for YOU. Its really no different than religion arguments. These are not my opinions of culture. All this is proven biological facts that you can read in psychology books. People in society like the things that they associate with their lives and their identities. Its nothing to be ashamed of because its natural. But dont confuse it with compositional technique. And dont think im ragging on just metal either because all music good or bad has millions of fuckers clinging to the fringes for lifestyle and identity reasons. There are exceptions here and there, but you know that usually people dress like how they act and listen to the music that reflects who they are. I dont cage them in how they look, etc. THEY do.
Question: I like to wear three-piece suits and tuxes a lot. Does that mean I listen mostly to classical music? But then, sometimes I might wear tight jeans and hoodies, does that mean I listen to emo? Oh, but sometimes, I wear all black. Am I metalhead? OH! I KNOW! I've got an afro, so I MUST love disco!
Oh, btw, are you saying that the Beatles studied songwriting construction theory, or whatever? Now, I'm no expert on the Beatles, but it seems to me they probably just wrote songs, and any scientific method that you're percieving in their music just happens to fit. Good songwriters don't need to go to college and learn about songwriting, they can just do it. Education on the subject won't create a great songwriter, it'll just make a bad songwriter half-bad.
Jillchaw said:
Im too lazy to keep up with the times?
See how it works? When i say something you dont agree with you instantly start to look for things about me that can be mocked. But i actually like modern music alot in some cases. I use the Beatles as an example because they wrote a pissload of genius tunes.
But even if i didnt keep up with the time.. there is no reason to keep up with times. How in the fuck could you actually think that newer is better? Because they are building off of previous work? Nope. They arent building off anything hardly. Everyone just makes it louder and weirder and thats something any idiot could do. Thats why electronica and computer music is so popular. Anyone can make it and sound like they are up with the times. A fucking computer can generate a techno song thats at least as good as man made ones.
Its funny how 4 people can study and perform their whole lives and have fantastic voices that sing at full volume in perfect pitch and write tunes that change the world and after a few years some asshole kid will say it sucks because he doesnt feel cool listening to it in his car.
The Beatles had talent beyond talent. Amazing voices, geniuses of composition for their age (any age) and they sound huge on old records. How could you listen to tunes like "Thank You Girl" and "Shes Got the Devil in Her Heart" at full volume and not be fucking tossing your techno cds in the garbage? Those fuckers are actually making the sounds you are hearing. Its no accident or computer patch.
Associations ruin everything thats how
Are you implying that electronic music is random and entirely computer generated? Try this. Get yourself some programming software and some samples, and see how quickly you can create some good electronic music. Go on. I've spent the past four days programming drums for a remix of Flying On Wings Of Steam by Chris Vrenna ('Alice' soundtrack). I speak from experience when I tell you that no accidental or entirely computer generated song will rank with good electronica. Go listen to some DJ Tiesto.
Jillchaw said:
Nostalgia? What nostalgia? Im 26
When i hear music i dont care when it came from or what style. If it takes skill than i like it as it is. I have liked and envied the compositional skills of particular composers in all genres of music. And quite a few outside of my own particular taste.
Anyone that hears 60s music as a "sound" is fucked. Anyone who hears 60s music as "60s music" is also fucked. Because if you only see it as something from the past that is dated than you are closing your eyes to its genius. Volume doesnt take skill. Attitude doesnt take skill. "Sound destroying" doesnt take skill. Why respect those things then? Because if you take those elements out of most modern bands there is nothing left.
Limp Bizkit? Are you serious?
Hey what does the big stupid kid on the playground do when he doesnt get the attention he wants from the other children? He acts aggressive and tries to be a badass cause thats all he knows how to do.
There you go thats an explanation of why "modern music" sounds the way it does
Nostalgia can be for a time before one's own. My fencing instructor is nostalgiac for the late 17th and early 18th century. I am nostalgiac for the 80s, believe it or not. No one is saying that volume, attitude, and "sound destroying" take skill, and no one is saying that the Beatles were unskilled. But volume, attitude, and decomposition of a signal (I'm assuming that's what you were referring to?) can lend themselves to a song.