Jillchaw said:
Gimmicks are not to be avoided. Only when there is no substance to match the gimmick.
I stand by what i said about modern bands. There are rarely any worth listening to especially since there are so many great old bands to dig up. There is more musical genius in one 60s era ray davies song than in an entire box of modern cds. If i only have a few hours a day to hear music, i dont want to spend it on shit that is watered down. There is a HUGE difference at the compositional level between modern bands and older music. I cant tell people what to like and i cant say what is "real" music and what is popular music, but i do know composition and modern music RARELY has anything very impressive. And the ones who do have a sound that i dont really like. Take Coldplay for example. Great songwriter but the overall music itself is dismall and repetitive. Its like music for futuristic yuppies. Its car commercial music. But the guy knows how to write songs.
Hey, asswipe. I've got some names for you to look up.
Mike Patton (or Fantomas)
SikTh
Fidel
Chris Vrenna
Emilie Autumn
Dresden Dolls
Tell me the composition sucks and is watered down. Go on.
Jillchaw said:
Whoever that guy is that said Ray Davies was just a rock star and that the arcade fire is better than the kinks is the most fucking retarded piece of shit ever born.
If you are reading this mother fucker than listen good and hard because i am going to teach you a lesson about going around thinking you know shit when really you dont know a fucking thing.
Ray Davies struggled hard to fit out of the scene for years and years during the later 60s. If you think "You really got me" and "all day and all of the night" when you hear the name Ray Davies than you are not even clued in to the history of music and your opinion of music means absolutely shit. Seriously dude. If you think that all this lame indie garbage that you and your faggot friends listen to beats "Village Green" or "Face to Face" era Kinks you are not even a musician. Because anyone who knows how songs work truly would know what Ray Davies accomplished. Its all right there in the music itself.
You want to know what all this indie music is? All this modern music? Its just you and your friends thinking that your lives mean so much and that your generation has figured out something that previous generations had no clue about, but your wrong. Anyone who knows psychology will know that studies have proven young males amplify the significance of "their" music and use it to construct their identity. So if you and your buddies think youre breaking some new ground by writing shit progressions with shit arrangements and calling it "indie" then go on ahead. But those who know art and songwriting as art form will never be so easily fooled into believing the hype that culture brings to music.
the things you have said about modern music are exactly whats wrong with people these days. Everyone is so ready to just believe lies and go with whatever comes down the pipe. Do you think it is rebellious to listen to "indie" as opposed to britney spears? Its all the same crap. There is no credibility in "indie". Indie is the new "grunge" thats all. And it will come and go just like everything else.
You should really be ashamed of yourself being 25 fucking years old and still treating music like its a high school popularity contest.
"The Arcade Fire".... grow the fuck up dude, seriously
Grow the fuck up, dude, seriously. Get a life. And listen to more than what's on the radio, asswipe. Indie as a genre generally isn't appealing, but INDEPENDENT music, to me, is. A lot of the stuff is no good, just like a lot of the complete shit recorded in the 60s, 70s, 80s, whatever. But look beyond what you see on the front page of MySpace for a decent representation of modern music.
Jillchaw said:
One more thing you stupid musically illiterate ****
Do you think that you know about music just because you said "I IV V"?
Basically you implying that great songs must be complex in order to be great.
You MUST be implying that because i dont know what else you could mean.
Music does not progress fucker. Its not like science or technology. Music and all arts stay unchanged and will for a very very long time. Only the cultural aspect of music seemingly progresses. Like how teenagers THINK that "their" music means more. If you think that modern music is truer to the human soul than music written a thousand years ago you are a dumbfuck. And i doubt you could ever write a good song yourself because anyone who cant grasp that concept cant be a very empathetic person and therefore cant write good tunes.
So just keep pretending that modern bands are worth a shit. Keep hanging out with your dumbass friends and spinning those stupid songs over and over to the tune of your little lives and make believe that all your hopes and dreams are coming true just around the corner, in "the future". Because everyone knows that things never go out of style and nothing ever seems great one year then is a tragic embarrassment the next year.
Do you know what most modern music is? Its one of those paintings that is just a bunch of smeared paints. "POST MODERNISM". People call it "art" but really its just someones expression. And it will only mean something to those who WANT it to mean something. Any moron can throw postmodern art together. A baby even. But i think its funny psychologically that the people who always seem to dig postmodern garbage are the ones who stand to benefit from that particular image or lifestyle. OF COURSE you dig the arcade fire. Youre the EXACT age group that is into that shit. I bet you even dress and look like all the other dudes your age. Is any of this starting to make sense to you? So get over yourself and open your eyes to more than just the tiny world surrounding your 25 year old cliched lifestyle and taste. Say one thing or do one thing untypical of your age, race, and sex and ill be impressed. But i doubt you could.
...I didn't know ancient fags like yourself could get so worked up. Guess it makes your boyfriend happy. Great songs don't have to be complex, and that wasn't the point of that post. And postmodernism doesn't suck, for the record. It's all in your perspective. Oh, and music and art do change, you just don't realize it. Not always for the better, but they do change. Newer music is more relevant to the current time than 50-year-old tunes. People these days (including you, I'm sure) wouldn't even understand thousand-year-old music.
Jillchaw said:
Oh, so you're not ancient, just a fag.
Jillchaw said:
Look dont get me wrong, people should be free to be into whatever they want, but when you say Ray Davies isnt an artist and he just stood there playing "I IV V" over and over you are really making a fool out of yourself to a degree that is unforgivable. You must really not have heard much music or studied much. Its practically solid proof that you havent.
...that's not what was said. Read before you post, it'll save you a lot of embarrassment.
Jillchaw said:
Music is about opinion and taste huh? Well whens the last time an "opinion" wrote a harmony part? Does "taste" know how to write a bridge in a tune?
I wish not every long haired butthole with a guitar thought he was a musician. I really do. Cause the shit is getting lame. Cant all you fuckers do something else to get the girls to like you? Like maybe skateboard or drive a harley? Cause when you go around town calling yourself a musician it kinda takes the specialness out of it for the rest of us who are real musicians.
Its kinda like when something new and genius comes out in the underground, but then mtv gets ahold of it and pretty soon even 11 year old kids are buying the fashions at walmart.
YOU FUCKERS ARE DOING THAT TO US WHO HAVE DEDICATED OUR LIVES.
But it cant be YOU right? Of course it cant be you. Because you own cds by bands that have made a success out of themselves. Girls like them. They have a "video". They sell records. And you bought the cd and have the shirt so that means that youre practically in the band. Their success is practically your success. You just kinda inherited it because you agree with their girl getting, money making way of life. It appeals to you for some unknown reason. Your "opinion and taste" prefers the idea of money and chicks to poverty and the hand. So i guess i should just listen to whatever you say as truth.
Opinion in harmony: all harmonies don't have to be the third or fifth. That's an opinion. I might like sixth harmonies in one phrase, that's my opinion though. Taste in bridges: I don't like them much anyway. They get in the way of guitar solos.
You're not a real musician. Real musicians have brains. You're twenty-six, give yourself some time, maybe you'll get one eventually. You're a complete dick.
One last thing before I get off here for now. Take your prozac, it helps. Lorazapem too, if you can get it. Seriously, man, you need some. Anyone as obviously emotionally fucked up as you are as young as you are needs help. I just got myself into therapy; maybe you should consider the same. Oh, and try buying a CD sometime. They're kinda smaller than what you're used to, like normal cocks compared to the ones you like to suck, but that's okay, you'll get used to it. There's been some really great stuff recorded in the past few years that's relatively unheard of. Just because it's new doesn't mean it sucks. Check out Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains. Something new. Anything new that's never been on the radio. Try it.
-Zac
