Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
want a second opinion....
How many ladies vs. how many men are posting in the "Computer Recording" Forum???
barefoot
barefootsound.com
I had no doubt what this poll would show, but it's still sad to see it.
It's the freaking internet. Theoretically 100% egalitarian, right? What are we doing wrong here?
barefoot
It's the freaking internet. Theoretically 100% egalitarian, right? What are we doing wrong here?
barefoot
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Angie
New member
barefoot,
I think its more that the recording profession is male dominated. Even the Women in Audio sights don't get a lot of traffic. You'll find many more women posting on the MusicPlayers forums.
Angie
I think its more that the recording profession is male dominated. Even the Women in Audio sights don't get a lot of traffic. You'll find many more women posting on the MusicPlayers forums.
Angie
barefoot
barefootsound.com
Yeah, I'm sure as many women as men are interested in playing music. But recording is more on the "technical" side of things. The problem probably goes a lot deeper than just this board or even the recording profession. Maybe we're just seeing another example here of the huge disparities in the way men and women are educated and even raised?
To all:
Have you invited your daughter to work in the studio with you recently?
barefoot
To all:
Have you invited your daughter to work in the studio with you recently?
barefoot
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Angie
New member
Hmmm. I just don't see it that way. I wonder just what the interest level in recording is among girls. What I can tell you is that my two girls are in and out of my studio all the time. The 6 year old is too young to show an interest in anything. The 13 year old I've tried to get interested in recording. She's a musician, but has no interest in learning anything about recording. She'd rather just play her instrument. There might be hope for my 6 year old, I'll just have to see.
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Angie
New member
One other thing I want to add is that regardless of the interest level, just by working in a male dominated profession, we are teaching our kids, boys and girls, that women can in fact do what ever they choose. The more it is seen, the more it is just excepted and it becomes a non-issue. When something needs fixing, my girls come to me first. They don't know that traditionally you should ask dad. They just want it fixed and go to the person they know can do that. I'm changing the world in my own little way.
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
yeah, but can you pee standing up?.....
seriously, i admire that attitude....i pray my 5 year old daughter follows daddy's musical footsteps....
seriously, i admire that attitude....i pray my 5 year old daughter follows daddy's musical footsteps....
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Shazukura
New member
Any of you three talented ladies looking to shack up with a studio-head?
My wife expresed an interest in music (she'd never mentioned it before that I recall) when I got my keyboard. We talked about it more, and she ended up asking for an acoustic guitar for her birthday. In more than 12 weeks I think she's had her fingers on the strings twice for a grand total of perhaps 15 minutes.
Talk about depressing. What's a guy to do?
-Shaz
My wife expresed an interest in music (she'd never mentioned it before that I recall) when I got my keyboard. We talked about it more, and she ended up asking for an acoustic guitar for her birthday. In more than 12 weeks I think she's had her fingers on the strings twice for a grand total of perhaps 15 minutes.
Talk about depressing. What's a guy to do?
-Shaz
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charger
New member
I made sure that when I bought my fiancee an acoustic guitar for her birthday (she wanted to learn guitar too), it was one that I liked too. Not sure how this relates to anything...
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drummer1000
New member
ha
could be worse.......mine wants to learn how to play drums so i started giving her lessons............i said she could lend my old kit as ong as she wants it for....last i heard she hadnt removed it from the cases....and she doesnt practice between lessons either...damned lazy guitarists/girlfriends
could be worse.......mine wants to learn how to play drums so i started giving her lessons............i said she could lend my old kit as ong as she wants it for....last i heard she hadnt removed it from the cases....and she doesnt practice between lessons either...damned lazy guitarists/girlfriends
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Shazukura
New member
Ok then, that put's me, Charger, and drummer1000 at the top of the "want to be eligible bachelors for talented (and somewhat motivated) women" list. Anyone else, before it fills up? Are anyone of your 3 women available? Near the east coast? 
barefoot
barefootsound.com
I see a lot of talk here to the effect "Well, the women in my life just aren't interested".
Why not?
I think it's because our societies don't encourage women enough in this direction. I don't want to get into a whole nature versus nurture debate, but I firmly believe that human intelligence and culture make us far more flexible than the mere limits of our biology. Though it may or may not be true that little boys and little girls have different "tendencies" from birth, this 95% of what we do is a result of the rewards and discouragements our societies have been built around.
Angie is doing her part but she's fighting the tide. As are my wife and I with our 2 yr old daughter. Gidge too. What role models do our girls see in the media they are bombarded with every day? When they go off to school and tell their classmates they recorded music or helped rewire the studio over the weekend are they rewarded more than if they had spent their time putting together a cute outfit and perfecting the art of makeup? Doubtful.
I'm not sure what the solution is. It seems so daunting. But I'm going to try my best too. The other day I created a piece of music for a friends going away party. I mixed in my daughter saying "Bye, bye Ted. We'll miss you." in that incredibly vibrant delicateness that the voices of babies stepping into childhood have. I had her click the record and stop buttons. It wasn't easy. She's a toddler with a toddler's attention span. But when it was finished and she heard her voice in the mix, her participation made it all the more wonderful.
I plan on doing this more. If the time ever comes when she says "I'm not interested", then I'll tell her I need her help anyway (hell, by that time she'll be much more adept on the computer than I am). She may view it as if it were as much of a chore as doing the dishes, but we'll be working together nonetheless. And I'll try to make the chore as fun as possible and give her every loving encouragement I can.
barefoot
Why not?
I think it's because our societies don't encourage women enough in this direction. I don't want to get into a whole nature versus nurture debate, but I firmly believe that human intelligence and culture make us far more flexible than the mere limits of our biology. Though it may or may not be true that little boys and little girls have different "tendencies" from birth, this 95% of what we do is a result of the rewards and discouragements our societies have been built around.
Angie is doing her part but she's fighting the tide. As are my wife and I with our 2 yr old daughter. Gidge too. What role models do our girls see in the media they are bombarded with every day? When they go off to school and tell their classmates they recorded music or helped rewire the studio over the weekend are they rewarded more than if they had spent their time putting together a cute outfit and perfecting the art of makeup? Doubtful.
I'm not sure what the solution is. It seems so daunting. But I'm going to try my best too. The other day I created a piece of music for a friends going away party. I mixed in my daughter saying "Bye, bye Ted. We'll miss you." in that incredibly vibrant delicateness that the voices of babies stepping into childhood have. I had her click the record and stop buttons. It wasn't easy. She's a toddler with a toddler's attention span. But when it was finished and she heard her voice in the mix, her participation made it all the more wonderful.
I plan on doing this more. If the time ever comes when she says "I'm not interested", then I'll tell her I need her help anyway (hell, by that time she'll be much more adept on the computer than I am). She may view it as if it were as much of a chore as doing the dishes, but we'll be working together nonetheless. And I'll try to make the chore as fun as possible and give her every loving encouragement I can.
barefoot
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MenT-aL
New member
hmmmm...well i'm male, and thats all i can say on the matter.
P.S. why not give IRC a chance, and drop us a line on the irc.quakenet.org server port 6667 channel #homerecording, or for a little more life #guitar, or for those who just love music #musik !
aL
P.S. why not give IRC a chance, and drop us a line on the irc.quakenet.org server port 6667 channel #homerecording, or for a little more life #guitar, or for those who just love music #musik !
aL
laj35
New member
Barefoot,
Really good comments man, and I must say I wholeheartedly agree with what you're sayin. Girls are not really given positive re-enforcement for much other than looking good. I think that's horribly sad. It's all related as you said to the media blitzes, I mean who are the female role-models out there nowadays, Britney, hardly wears any clothes ever. Granted I enjoy that but what is a 10yo girl thinking when she sees that? In any event much applause for your personal efforts as that's all one person can do to attempt to alter such BS. "If you try your children will be next"~Thom.
Laj
Really good comments man, and I must say I wholeheartedly agree with what you're sayin. Girls are not really given positive re-enforcement for much other than looking good. I think that's horribly sad. It's all related as you said to the media blitzes, I mean who are the female role-models out there nowadays, Britney, hardly wears any clothes ever. Granted I enjoy that but what is a 10yo girl thinking when she sees that? In any event much applause for your personal efforts as that's all one person can do to attempt to alter such BS. "If you try your children will be next"~Thom.
Laj
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WayStar
New member
I suppose I count as the 4th female.
But I'm not into recording from a music standpoint. I'm a planetarium show producer, so mostly I'm recording narration and using music from a library, since we can't afford to work with a composer.
Back to researching digital multitrackers,
Waylena
But I'm not into recording from a music standpoint. I'm a planetarium show producer, so mostly I'm recording narration and using music from a library, since we can't afford to work with a composer.
Back to researching digital multitrackers,
Waylena
barefoot
barefootsound.com
Thanks Laj.
Welcome Waylena.
barefoot
Welcome Waylena.
barefoot
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Bighand
New member
Khompewtur said:
I thought only Catholics had lent.
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geekgurl
New member
I guess I sort of made an infamous female presence for myself in the microphone forum recently ...
I don't know how much really qualify as an engineer, either. I'm mostly a musician and a control freak, believing "if you want something done right, do it yourself..." That extends particularly to getting the mix I want. I play all instruments but trap drums (I do hand drums) on my music, so home recording as a method works for me. I feel I am getting much more knowledgeable about the recording aspect thanks in no small part to forums like this one. So the music interest came first; the technical recording interest followed that. Angela, you may find your daughter's interest progressing in this fashion.
Like many people regardless of gender, I got into recording myself because I'm cheap (by necessity or inclination, hard to say). Having played the part of a session player as keyboardist and bassist for other artists' demos in pro studios, I identify with a quote from J Mascis in a recent Tape Op interview, wherein he identified the inspiration to get into recording when he was "spending thousands of dollars sitting in a studio and looking out the window and realized, I'm spending thousands of dollars to sit in a studio and look out the window."
I don't know how much really qualify as an engineer, either. I'm mostly a musician and a control freak, believing "if you want something done right, do it yourself..." That extends particularly to getting the mix I want. I play all instruments but trap drums (I do hand drums) on my music, so home recording as a method works for me. I feel I am getting much more knowledgeable about the recording aspect thanks in no small part to forums like this one. So the music interest came first; the technical recording interest followed that. Angela, you may find your daughter's interest progressing in this fashion.
Like many people regardless of gender, I got into recording myself because I'm cheap (by necessity or inclination, hard to say). Having played the part of a session player as keyboardist and bassist for other artists' demos in pro studios, I identify with a quote from J Mascis in a recent Tape Op interview, wherein he identified the inspiration to get into recording when he was "spending thousands of dollars sitting in a studio and looking out the window and realized, I'm spending thousands of dollars to sit in a studio and look out the window."
barefoot
barefootsound.com
gg,
Your handle and some of your comments made me think of another fly in the mix with respect to the gender issue.
A very good FORMER friend of mine got me started in this whole digital recording thing. She is a girl, but foremost she is a major geek. And I think that particular "g" is the most important component which brings anyone into recording or similar hobbies/professions.
But like I said, she's a former friend. I met her at work where she's sort of this prodigy and multimedia guru. Anyhow, being of like minds we hit it off as friends. We started collaborating on projects and she would come over my house, got to know my wife and baby and such. Well, it wasn't long before my wife began to make my life a living hell for the fact that my friend was a 'she' and also only 24 yrs old. I never tried to hide anything from my wife, never had anything but honorable "intentions" towards my friend, and made many, many attempts to try and work it out and assuage my wife's fears. Needless to say, nothing worked and for the sake of my marriage and my sanity I had to stop being friends with her.
Regardless of whether anyone thinks my or my wife's actions/reactions were justified, I think everyone must concede that there are sometimes external influences which can hinder men and women working or playing together. Maybe issues similar to what I encountered also contribute a bit to women being slow to enter the male dominated recording industry?
barefoot
Your handle and some of your comments made me think of another fly in the mix with respect to the gender issue.
A very good FORMER friend of mine got me started in this whole digital recording thing. She is a girl, but foremost she is a major geek. And I think that particular "g" is the most important component which brings anyone into recording or similar hobbies/professions.
But like I said, she's a former friend. I met her at work where she's sort of this prodigy and multimedia guru. Anyhow, being of like minds we hit it off as friends. We started collaborating on projects and she would come over my house, got to know my wife and baby and such. Well, it wasn't long before my wife began to make my life a living hell for the fact that my friend was a 'she' and also only 24 yrs old. I never tried to hide anything from my wife, never had anything but honorable "intentions" towards my friend, and made many, many attempts to try and work it out and assuage my wife's fears. Needless to say, nothing worked and for the sake of my marriage and my sanity I had to stop being friends with her.
Regardless of whether anyone thinks my or my wife's actions/reactions were justified, I think everyone must concede that there are sometimes external influences which can hinder men and women working or playing together. Maybe issues similar to what I encountered also contribute a bit to women being slow to enter the male dominated recording industry?
barefoot
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
Interesting comment. I sympathize, but have a slightly different take. I found that I was making "artisitic" compromises in a studio because there was always a cash register chi-chinging in the background. Takes that were maybe "marginal" became acceptable when balanced against the costs associated with redoing them.
I got involved in home recording so that if I wanted to spend 6 hours getting a 3 second vocal part just right, all it was costing me was my time. That, plus the luxury of being able to do things entirely on my own schedule.
So yes, the recording "quality" is a bit less, the learning curve is steep and tiresome, the "gear lust" will keep your pockets quite empty...
but for me it wasn't even a particularly hard decision.
(BTW, I seemd to have wandered a bit off topic here
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