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barry c
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10 banned accounts? once again WRONG. Your next album should be called WRONG
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Greg_L
Banned
I honestly don't know if you disagree with me or not. I truly could not care less and don't read your posts very thoroughly. Agree or disagree is not why I say you're trolling. I say you're trolling because you are. And that's cool. I do it too on other sites sometimes.
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barry c
Banned
What a jerk trolling. nothing better to do?
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Greg_L
Banned
Pot, kettle.
dragonworks
Banned
Dylan is the first singer who couldn't sing, now there are thousands of them.
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barry c
Banned
I agree, but there is nobody who sings like a rolling stone better. lol and now there's also thousands of writer who cant write.
Funny thing is, in the song, there's no change up, it;s the same thing all the way through, it's not clear what the hell it's about,
just one of the most exciting songs Ive ever heard, and fun to sing.
green day doesnt cut it lol, but sounds cool
Green Day-like a rolling stone lyrics - YouTube
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EvanOmega
New member
I would say so.
dragonworks
Banned
I think the lyrics are pretty straight forward?
I agree no one sings it better. It is also a great teaching tool seeing the chord progression is
1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5, 4-5-4-5, 4-3-2-1-4-3-2-1, 4-5, 1-4-5-1-4-5-1-4-5-1-4-5-1-4-5
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barry c
Banned
No not at all. The lyrics are wild and crazy with inner rhymes and syncopation, it's alot like poetry and nursery rhymes.
But the words themselves are not his point, with Dylan, there is always something hidden he is trying to say.
it was before my time, but I know to this day, nobody really knows what it's about, but all kinds of interpretations are out there
Once upon a time you dressed so fine
You threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn't you ?
People'd call, say, "Beware doll, you're bound to fall"
You thought they were all kiddin' you
You used to laugh about
Everybody that was hangin' out
Now you don't talk so loud
Now you don't seem so proud
About having to be scrounging for your next meal.
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone ?
You've gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely
But you know you only used to get juiced in it
And nobody has ever taught you how to live on the street
And now you find out you're gonna have to get used to it
You said you'd never compromise
With the mystery tramp, but know you realize
He's not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And say do you want to make a deal?
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone ?
You never turned around to see the frowns on the jugglers and the clowns
When they all come down and did tricks for you
You never understood that it ain't no good
You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you
You used to ride on the chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
Ain't it hard when you discover that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal.
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone ?
Princess on the steeple and all the pretty people
They're drinkin', thinkin' that they got it made
Exchanging all precious gifts
But you'd better take your diamond ring, you'd better pawn it babe
You used to be so amused
At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used
Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal.
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone ?
But the words themselves are not his point, with Dylan, there is always something hidden he is trying to say.
it was before my time, but I know to this day, nobody really knows what it's about, but all kinds of interpretations are out there
Once upon a time you dressed so fine
You threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn't you ?
People'd call, say, "Beware doll, you're bound to fall"
You thought they were all kiddin' you
You used to laugh about
Everybody that was hangin' out
Now you don't talk so loud
Now you don't seem so proud
About having to be scrounging for your next meal.
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone ?
You've gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely
But you know you only used to get juiced in it
And nobody has ever taught you how to live on the street
And now you find out you're gonna have to get used to it
You said you'd never compromise
With the mystery tramp, but know you realize
He's not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And say do you want to make a deal?
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone ?
You never turned around to see the frowns on the jugglers and the clowns
When they all come down and did tricks for you
You never understood that it ain't no good
You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you
You used to ride on the chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
Ain't it hard when you discover that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal.
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone ?
Princess on the steeple and all the pretty people
They're drinkin', thinkin' that they got it made
Exchanging all precious gifts
But you'd better take your diamond ring, you'd better pawn it babe
You used to be so amused
At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used
Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal.
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone ?
dragonworks
Banned
no one really knows what anyones really saying unless they tell you themselves. He could be talking about himself, and then they could be pulling your leg. It is all open to ones interpretation. Here is a set of my lyrics, I know what I am trying to get across, but do they?
Here is link to the tune if interested and here are the lyrics
http://www.recordingproject.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=40293&highlight=men
All the Good Men
IT WAS THE HARDEST THING THAT SHE HAD EVER DONE
SHE CHOKED BACK HER TEARS AND THEN SAID GOODBYE TO HER SON
HIS FATHER WONDERED IF HE WOULD EVER SEE HIM AGAIN
NO ONE REALLY QUESTIONED THE WHERE WHY OR WHEN
HE KISSED HIS WIFE SO LONG AND HUGGED ALL OF HIS CHILDREN
SHE BEGAN TO CRY AND ALL OF THE KIDS JOINED IN
HE WONDERED IF HE WOULD SEE THEM AGAIN SOMEDAY
HE PUT UP A BRAVE FRONT, WAVED GOODBYE AND WENT ON HIS WAY
DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN THROUGH THE AGES WE HAVE COME
ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND IN CIRCLES WE HAVE RUN
WE HAVE TO GET IT TOGETHER NOW
HAVE TO FIND OUR WAY SOMEHOW
PLEASE DON'T TELL ME IT'S TO LATE
NOW'S THE TIME DON'T HESITATE
LIFES TO SHORT, YOU DON'T HAVE LONG
DO WHATS RIGHT YOU CAN'T GO WRONG
AND IF YOU FAIL THEN TRY AGAIN
REMEMBER ALL THE GOOD MEN
REMEMBER ALL THE GOOD MEN
GONE ALMOST FOUR YEARS THE MAIL NEVER ARRIVING ON TIME
WAITING AT HOME, HOPING AND PRAYING FOR A SIGN
NEVER REALLY KNOWING IS THE CROSS THAT THEY BOTH BORE
WOULD HE BE BACK TOMORROW, OR JUST ANOTHER KNOCK ON ANY DOOR
AT LAST HE CAME HOME, THE TOWN CELEBRATED THAT DAY
HE SEEMED RATHER DISTANT, LOST, AND FAR FAR AWAY
AT LAST IT CAME TIME TO VISIT HIS MOM AND DADS GRAVE
HIS WIFE AND HIS CHILDREN KNEW IT COULD NEVER BE THE SAME
CHORUS
Here is link to the tune if interested and here are the lyrics
http://www.recordingproject.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=40293&highlight=men
All the Good Men
IT WAS THE HARDEST THING THAT SHE HAD EVER DONE
SHE CHOKED BACK HER TEARS AND THEN SAID GOODBYE TO HER SON
HIS FATHER WONDERED IF HE WOULD EVER SEE HIM AGAIN
NO ONE REALLY QUESTIONED THE WHERE WHY OR WHEN
HE KISSED HIS WIFE SO LONG AND HUGGED ALL OF HIS CHILDREN
SHE BEGAN TO CRY AND ALL OF THE KIDS JOINED IN
HE WONDERED IF HE WOULD SEE THEM AGAIN SOMEDAY
HE PUT UP A BRAVE FRONT, WAVED GOODBYE AND WENT ON HIS WAY
DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN THROUGH THE AGES WE HAVE COME
ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND ROUND IN CIRCLES WE HAVE RUN
WE HAVE TO GET IT TOGETHER NOW
HAVE TO FIND OUR WAY SOMEHOW
PLEASE DON'T TELL ME IT'S TO LATE
NOW'S THE TIME DON'T HESITATE
LIFES TO SHORT, YOU DON'T HAVE LONG
DO WHATS RIGHT YOU CAN'T GO WRONG
AND IF YOU FAIL THEN TRY AGAIN
REMEMBER ALL THE GOOD MEN
REMEMBER ALL THE GOOD MEN
GONE ALMOST FOUR YEARS THE MAIL NEVER ARRIVING ON TIME
WAITING AT HOME, HOPING AND PRAYING FOR A SIGN
NEVER REALLY KNOWING IS THE CROSS THAT THEY BOTH BORE
WOULD HE BE BACK TOMORROW, OR JUST ANOTHER KNOCK ON ANY DOOR
AT LAST HE CAME HOME, THE TOWN CELEBRATED THAT DAY
HE SEEMED RATHER DISTANT, LOST, AND FAR FAR AWAY
AT LAST IT CAME TIME TO VISIT HIS MOM AND DADS GRAVE
HIS WIFE AND HIS CHILDREN KNEW IT COULD NEVER BE THE SAME
CHORUS
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Xdrummer
New member
dragonworks - I enjoyed your lyrics. I perceive this to be a story of a military man heading off to war, coming back years later with the emotional baggage that most returning warriors carry. The parents have passed away and he and his family will suffer the after affects of his time in battle for years to come.
It could also mean he went to prison and then returned - but that would not lend itself to the 1st line of the last verse
The chorus seems to stray a little (I felt some disconnect with the verses - and it does not seem to really drive whatever the story line is - but I bet the down dwon dwon and round round round makes for a nice hook.
It could also mean he went to prison and then returned - but that would not lend itself to the 1st line of the last verse
The chorus seems to stray a little (I felt some disconnect with the verses - and it does not seem to really drive whatever the story line is - but I bet the down dwon dwon and round round round makes for a nice hook.
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barry c
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When your Bob Dylan, you don't have to explain it, cause people already know the surface of it, is just the surface. Not many writers are able to write like this, all at the same time being entertaining and fun, cause there are some folks who could care a less what it's about, just entertain me.
Your song is pretty good, here are something you can consider or not....
I don't mind the chorus, it goes to the general statement as like a learning tool from the verses, not bad.
I get it, you got your message across, boy leaves prolly off to war, that's not the issue for you.
Now you need to make it shine a bit. Your opening line is weak,
opening lines are probably the most important line of the whole song.
Writing "It was the hardest thing she had to do" is a dead statement. Boring, and a waste of a line and space.
"The hardest thing" is such a vague idea.
show how she felt, don't just say it, describe her face, use an analogy for her heart, etc etc etc
The other thing to watch is the sing songy rhythm of the words, if you read your lyric out loud, it sounds fun, sounds
happy, when the story is not.
What you gotta do is imaging yourself being in that room when this is taking place, cause the listener has no idea where these people are,
and when they are left out of it, the tend to zone out.
Again, if looking to write a good song, doesn't mean this song couldn't be recorded and arranged in a way to make it sound good.
but stories are written to be stories, one on on conversations are meant to be one on one, your writing from a narrator point of view, and
you are assuming people listening can see what you see, they cant, you have to tell them.
Just my take, good luck
dragonworks
Banned
Actually all the good men are Buddah and Jesus and so forth who told us not to fight one another. The gent in the tune is just another pawn, so maybe now, the "chorus" will be a bit clearer. So, once again the lyrics are subjective to the listener. Everyone who listens to this song thinks it is about the same thing, I would like them to think a bit deeper. Since no one has "got it" yet maybe I shouldn't be so esoteric.
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
No, be esoteric if that's the way you were moved to write the song. Some people will get it, many won't. I would never have got it in six lifetimes and a zillion years but that doesn't mean I couldn't love the song, get lots out of the words on the level of meaning that I take it at and groove to it musically until I'm 105.
The recording age and the attendant technology, the sometime incoherence and jumpiness of the drug enhanced mind, mental illness being better understood by a wider body of ordinary people and the acceptance of cultures other than our own and the different ways people think and express themselves have, in my opinion, moved the parameters of songwriting from where they existed before the second half of the 20th century.
fritsthegirl
Taste of home
Not that important.
I'm just parroting what others have said about it but....
I estimate my misinterpretation of lyrics to be about 60%. I get a lot out of lyrics for this reason, because I pretty much make them mean what I want. What their real meaning is, is also interesting to me but I get it wrong a lot of the time.
I'm the same with poetry. When I read what scholars have to say about a poem I think I know the meaning of, I'm often surprised to find out all sorts of things I hadn't thought of, and nothing mentioned of the things I thought it was about. It doesn't matter to me, because to me a craft like poetry or songwriting is intended to be (mis)interpreted. If it wasn't open to interpretation, they should have written a scientific text book.
I've also heard many songwriters say about their lyrics, that they themselves are not even sure what it all means to them. I figure they would not mind that much to hear someone else had trouble defining it or made it mean something completely different. No good artist should be too attached to their work and its meaning.
I'm just going to preempt Greg's comment.
LOL @ craft.
I'm just parroting what others have said about it but....
I estimate my misinterpretation of lyrics to be about 60%. I get a lot out of lyrics for this reason, because I pretty much make them mean what I want. What their real meaning is, is also interesting to me but I get it wrong a lot of the time.
I'm the same with poetry. When I read what scholars have to say about a poem I think I know the meaning of, I'm often surprised to find out all sorts of things I hadn't thought of, and nothing mentioned of the things I thought it was about. It doesn't matter to me, because to me a craft like poetry or songwriting is intended to be (mis)interpreted. If it wasn't open to interpretation, they should have written a scientific text book.
I've also heard many songwriters say about their lyrics, that they themselves are not even sure what it all means to them. I figure they would not mind that much to hear someone else had trouble defining it or made it mean something completely different. No good artist should be too attached to their work and its meaning.
I'm just going to preempt Greg's comment.
LOL @ craft.
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
^^^^^This, with bells on ! ^^^^^
I think that sometimes, especially with stream of consciousness stuff or improvised stuff, lots of stuff will come out that only some time later will be apparent to the writer. When I think of Motorhead's "Poison", the Beatles "I call your name", AC/DC's "Love at first feel" or Deep Purple's "The mule", I can see deep childhood scars or significant turning points in the persons of Lemmy, John Lennon, Bon Scott and Ian Gillan.
I've never heard any of them comment on that aspect of those songs so it may not be obvious to them.
And I may be totally off track in what I think about them.
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barry c
Banned
Not that important.
I'm just parroting what others have said about it but....
I estimate my misinterpretation of lyrics to be about 60%. I get a lot out of lyrics for this reason, because I pretty much make them mean what I want. What their real meaning is, is also interesting to me but I get it wrong a lot of the time.
I'm the same with poetry. When I read what scholars have to say about a poem I think I know the meaning of, I'm often surprised to find out all sorts of things I hadn't thought of, and nothing mentioned of the things I thought it was about. It doesn't matter to me, because to me a craft like poetry or songwriting is intended to be (mis)interpreted. If it wasn't open to interpretation, they should have written a scientific text book.
I've also heard many songwriters say about their lyrics, that they themselves are not even sure what it all means to them. I figure they would not mind that much to hear someone else had trouble defining it or made it mean something completely different. No good artist should be too attached to their work and its meaning.
I'm just going to preempt Greg's comment.
LOL @ craft.
No I hear alot of ARTISTS say they arent really sure what their lyrics are about. I dont hear songwriters saying that.
Artists have record contracts, they already have fans, they have already made it, call their own shots, and can basicly write whatever they want to. They have much more flexibility in what they write. People were attracted to them for their sound, or their stage presence whatever, maybe lyrics werent important to that particular band
if you are a songwriter who doesnt perform his or her own songs, you are relying on your songs alone, not your guitar, not your band, not your voice, not your production team, it's you and your song, you better have command of your craft. You will submit songs to publishers and people who want to find somebody to record them, and they will analyze the song for anything they think might turn the artist off.
You can lol at craft all you like, if you are the only person every going to hear the songs you write, craft does not matter anyway.
I just dont understand when you sit and write a song, you expect it to just come out? Cause any other way, involves craft.
All it is is taking your ideas and "crafting" them into a song. Its not some mysterious word, it's just the elbow grease you put into a song.
dragonworks
Banned
It is not about her and how she felt. You have three minutes usually. Should I spend the whole first verse on how she felt?
If "it wasn't the hardest thing she had ever done, she choked back her tears and said goodbye to her son" doesn't get it across, anything else isn't going to help. I been at this for fifty years, you have to know when to quit.
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barry c
Banned
Whatever your meaning, your lyrics are still to vague to convey any message, words are just words, images are images. Still dont know how the mother "felt" all you said was it was the hardest thing to do. Which what is the hardest thing to do? Nobody has one, or knows what it really means, we get the idea, the cliche used, but thats not good writing, it's boring.
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
I agree, or at least I hope that is true. The parameters can't move fast enough as far as I'm concerned. I don't have forever and I want to hear what's next.
I've often thought the same thing. I personally am just not that interested in what a songwriter has to say, and I don't think most listeners are either. It can be very interesting as a listener though to hear how they say whatever it is they're saying. Often, the more open-ended and ambiguous, the more interesting on some level.
If I want to learn something or become better informed though, I will read a book on the subject, or watch a documentary, or whatever.