How important are lyrics to you ...and why ?

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There have been some interesting side leaps in a couple of recent threads where the subject of lyrics came up so I felt it might be interesting to dredge up that old chestnut for a more in depth look. How important are they for you ? Does their meaning matter ? Any favourite lines ? Must they rhyme ? Do they have to scan ? What part do they play ? Are they poetry ?

Let the feasting begin......
 
Lyrics are THE LEAST important part of a song. Anyone that says otherwise is delusional and wrong.
 
And by lyrics, I mean the actual words. The words are meaningless. The vocal performance on the other hand is very important.
 
I was kind of hoping Greg, that you'd come in early on this. Both your points set an important start point.
 
I was kind of hoping Greg, that you'd come in early on this. Both your points set an important start point.

Cue a bunch of idealistic windbags claiming how they write deep and meaningful lyrics, or posting examples of crappy songs that "move" them with the stupid lyrical content. Gullible bozos. :laughings:
 
I spend a lot of time on my lyrics, take them very seriously, and don't call them finished until I feel very proud of the result.

I think that Greg is right when it comes to most popular music, though I somewhat resent that fact.

For myself, however, I think they're probably of equal value, at least close. If there's a song that sounds great, gets my feet moving and is musically interesting, but is written about...say a yellow submarine (not that this song meets the previous criteria)...I find that I quickly lose interest. On the other hand, great lyrics married to sub-par music (Neil Young anyone?) is even less satisfactory.

The best songs have both.
 
lyrics r the most important part of a song for any true artist....there must be meaning and a reason fa wat u r doing, if u r to be taken seriously anyways...do any of u do music if i may ask?
 
lyrics r the most important part of a song for any true artist....there must be meaning and a reason fa wat u r doing, if u r to be taken seriously anyways...do any of u do music if i may ask?

If your lyrics are anything like your cool urban ghetto text message style typing, then your "music" must suck horribly. :laughings:
 
I think musicians tend to become jaded over time...and everything to them is about "the performance"...so they may not really listen to the lyrics when they listen to music...
...but to the general public, much of the audio/performance stuff we musicians get excited about, has a much smaller significance, yet I do see most seem to know all the lyrics to songs they like, and they sing along with them all the time.
Women (especially the younger ones and teenage girls) seem to be VERY focused on the lyrics.

That's not saying lyrics have to be some real deep, meaningful, intellectual stuff...but they ARE important to the general public. You can ask them stuff about the other things in a song, the drums or lead guitars, bass...etc …and they will not be able to say much about those things, but they sure know the lyrics.
Take any popular song…remove the lyrics…and the song dies.
Plus, there ARE songs that actually have deep, meaningful, intellectual lyrics…written by some great artists. As an example, imagine some of the CSNY music…with lame lyrics or no lyrics....or Dylan…or hundreds of others.

I think you have to put it into context with the type of music you are playing or listening to.
Some music focuses mostly on the music...but for a lot Pop/Rock/Country/Rap/R&B...the lyrics are the anchor.
Decent lyrics don't come easily...even the simple ones. I notice a lot of guys on the net just avoid them and write/record mostly instrumentals...or they just slap on some "lyrics" just to have something to go with the melody.
 
The important thing is how the singer delivers the song.
 
There have been some interesting side leaps in a couple of recent threads where the subject of lyrics came up so I felt it might be interesting to dredge up that old chestnut for a more in depth look. How important are they for you ? Does their meaning matter ? Any favourite lines ? Must they rhyme ? Do they have to scan ? What part do they play ? Are they poetry ?

Let the feasting begin......

It depends on whose perspective. The point of view of a listener will differ from that of a lyricist. And between listeners there will be differences as well, depending on why they are listening. Even a single listener will endow greater or lesser importance to the lyrics depending on what he or she is doing at the time.

When I am actively listening to music, I don't really care that much about them so long as they sound right. I agree with Greg L; the performance is critical. In many cases the words are immaterial, so long as the vowels and consonants used fit well together and match the feel of the music.

There are times, though, when I am strongly drawn to the actual words used . . . when I hear new and unusual ways of expressing things, when I hear lyrical skill at work. Just as I appreciate a great vocal performance, I also appreciate great wordcraft . . . and if the two appear in the same song . . . even better!

When I write lyrics, though, there is a different force at work. For me, the music is only a support vehicle for the words, and I pay great attention to them, sculpting and shaping them until I am satisfied that it's the best I can do; that I haven't slipped into using stock phrases and cliches. Even so, my lyrics are rarely literal, and I am a big user of ambiguity, innuendo and metaphor. This is because I write for my own satisfaction, and I am not really interested in conveying any particular story or message to a listener; they can read what they like into them.
 
When I first hear a song I listen to the music and the sound of the vocals. Not what they are saying (unless it's your pop typical...getting "crunk", shortie, clubbing, dj play some bass, blah, blah, blah...) that gets turned immediately. If everything sounds good together and the performance is good, then I'll tune into the lyrics a little more to really listen to what they're saying.

Heck...Dark Side of the Moon is one of my favorite albums, listened to it a thousand times and I don't know if I could tell you a single lyric off the top of my head. On the other hand Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds Live at Luther College is another of my favorites which I've listened to a thousand times and I can tell you almost every lyric in every song. :D

My point...it's got to sound good...first & foremost.
 
How important are they for you ?
Depends on the context.

Does their meaning matter ?
Yes - If they have meaning and it means something to me.

Any favourite lines ?
Here in the dust, there's not a trace of us.

Must they rhyme ?
No.

Do they have to scan ?
WTF does that even mean?

What part do they play ?
They tell a story, or communicate a feeling.

Are they poetry ?
Sometimes.
 
One more thing, it’s hard to have a sing along to a song with no words.
I could never be in an instrumental band.
Imagine the entire crowd humming along to the Cliffs of Dover or Moonlight Serenade.
Now juxtapose that image with a crowd singing along to Highway to Hell.
We never got a request for an instrumental even though we were all fucking incredible musicians.
 
I may not think the actual lyrics are the most important thing, but the delivery COMBINED with a good lyric will get you a lot closer to a great song than total garbage lyrics....unless you are Beck for some reason.

And on the flip side, you can have the best lyrics ever written and make them sound like shit if you sing like a oompa loompa.

Personally my songs would be EVEN shittier without lyrics.
 
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Do they [the words] have to scan ?



WTF does that even mean?

Scanning is fitting together in a regular, rather than an irregular way, often using the same amount of syllables in each line - eg;
"To understand this little rhyme
You first must tap your foot in time"


or the same amount of syllables every two lines, eg;


"Please allow me to introduce myself,
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith".

Reason I mentioned it in the OP, I was reminded of a friend with whom I always used to argue about this. He felt song lyrics should always 'scan' {that was the term he used} and I never felt they had to. Sometimes they will, other times they won't. He felt that if other people were going to sing along, words had to be regular and simple. I used to argue that if you like a song, you'll go with all it's funky lyrical twists and turns whether they fit easilly or not. In fact, you may not even realize it. But I was very much in the minority there ! So I thought it might be a consideration for people as they thought about their answers.
 
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